Originally posted by JBL
I have seen what the writers think on the subject, i could not care less what you think. There is no need for further discussion. Take it how you want. Have a good day.Kurse wins,debate that.......
In other words, you refuse the battlezone challenge because you know you'll lose. Just admit it.
Originally posted by carver9
Captain Marvel and Superman are physical equals. Get over it.
So you accept a statement that they're equals, and ignore two statements saying or implying that Power Girl is stronger than Captain Marvel. Or do you think PeeGee>Superman?
Originally posted by Delta1938
In other words, you refuse the battlezone challenge because you know you'll lose. Just admit it.So you accept a statement that they're equals, and ignore two statements saying or implying that Power Girl is stronger than Captain Marvel. Or do you think PeeGee>Superman?
Has Powergirl ever stalemated Superman 3 times in a strength lock up like Captain Marvel did? Also, Superman himself admitted Captain Marvel holds an advantage against him in a fight. How much do they have to throw in your face in order for you to realize the truth?
Originally posted by carver9
Has Powergirl ever stalemated Superman 3 times in a strength lock up like Captain Marvel did? Also, Superman himself admitted Captain Marvel holds an advantage against him in a fight. How much do they have to throw in your face in order for you to realize the truth?
Power Girl said she's stronger than Captain Marvel when Cap was present. He didn't disagree or give an excuse. She was stated to be stronger than Black Adam..
The funny thing is the "magick edge" actually proves Superman is superior even without the Kryptonite and energy drain and worn down context that gets nitpicked to be ignored. If Cap had some type of advantage, yet Superman still stalemated him and caught his punch, that would sure imply he's the stronger of the two. Don't bring-up Cap catching his punch, he was Zeus-amping there.
Superman has performances Cap can't match, including against common opponents. Yes, there's examples of Cap being a near-equal, but plenty showing the other way around as well.
And, you cling so hard to these statements when it suits you but ignore others than don't. Much like you got on your knees or Pak when he said stuff that makes Hulk look good, but ignore when Pak says things that back Superman.
Originally posted by JBLThat writer has nothing to do with OWAW. Remember a retcon overpowers any other writer's work. If other writers didn't write Superman with mental blocks then it doesn't matter since HE HAS MENTAL BLOCKS DUE TO THE RETCON. That means in all instances, he has his mental blocks on unless specified or shown otherwise.
The writer in that statement mentioned NOTHING about being close in strength until superman cuts off his mental blocks. I am 100% positive the writer knows the other superman writers and they ALL know about superman strength and how he can get stronger.I am sure he was talking about other writers who had them equals but he was unsure in HIS opinion. It seems strange that mental blocks NEVER come up when talking about strength between the two, so if thats the case,then CM and BA have mental blocks that they can cut on and off to match superman under ANY conditions and BA is stated to be stronger than CM and was said by writers to possibly outmatch both superman and CM.
Kurse wins.
OWAW shows that Superman can't release his mental blocks without meditation or going through traumatic and dire situations.
Originally posted by h1a8That's not true at all. Superman has mental blocks in place to keep from hurting NORMAL people. He had to practice for a while as explained by Batman. Now he DOES NOT have to keep telling himself to be careful around NORMAL people, he does it on a subconcious level now. He does NOT have 1,2,3,4 0r 5x his strength hidden from himself that he cannot access. Mongul jr taught superman to forget about lois or anything else because they distracted him from fighting his best, mongul wanted him to fight like an animal who has no concerns about anything BUT crushing, destroying and killing..THATS WHY THEY GOT DOOMSDAY INVOLVED, they knew he did not give a damn about ANYTHING but destruction. Superman had to fight like doomsday and did. He did not get any stronger. The only time he did is when he sun amped.
That writer has nothing to do with OWAW. Remember a retcon overpowers any other writer's work. If other writers didn't write Superman with mental blocks then it doesn't matter since HE HAS MENTAL BLOCKS DUE TO THE RETCON. That means in all instances, he has his mental blocks on unless specified or shown otherwise.OWAW shows that Superman can't release his mental blocks without meditation or going through traumatic and dire situations.
Originally posted by JBL
That's not true at all. Superman has mental blocks in place to keep from hurting NORMAL people. He had to practice for a while as explained by Batman. Now he DOES NOT have to keep telling himself to be careful around NORMAL people, he does it on a subconcious level now. He does NOT have 1,2,3,4 0r 5x his strength hidden from himself that he cannot access. Mongul jr taught superman to forget about lois or anything else because they distracted him from fighting his best, mongul wanted him to fight like an animal who has no concerns about anything BUT crushing, destroying and killing..THATS WHY THEY GOT DOOMSDAY INVOLVED, they knew he did not give a damn about ANYTHING but destruction. Superman had to fight like doomsday and did.
Atually, he keeps himself from hurting anyone, he goes subconsciously harder on opponents once he has their measure. However, as seen against the probes, he couldn't really damage them at first, though he went on them like on his hardest opponents, once he dropped his mental blocks, he oneshotted them. And they were trans+ level.
Originally posted by JBL
That's not true at all. Superman has mental blocks in place to keep from hurting NORMAL people. He had to practice for a while as explained by Batman. Now he DOES NOT have to keep telling himself to be careful around NORMAL people, he does it on a subconcious level now. He does NOT have 1,2,3,4 0r 5x his strength hidden from himself that he cannot access. Mongul jr taught superman to forget about lois or anything else because they distracted him from fighting his best, mongul wanted him to fight like an animal who has no concerns about anything BUT crushing, destroying and killing..THATS WHY THEY GOT DOOMSDAY INVOLVED, they knew he did not give a damn about ANYTHING but destruction. Superman had to fight like doomsday and did.
I'm talking about OWAW. Did you read it? Do you see how Superman hit the probe before he released the mental blocks and didn't do anything? While after he releases the mental blocks, he one shot the probe with ease WITH THE VERY SAME ATTACK.
Look at before and after. At before, you see his face is straining as hard possible. At after, you see Superman causally (not really straining) doing FAR more damage with the same attacks. Going from straining and not doing anything to being calm and doing more than 5x more damage is a huge difference.
Originally posted by h1a8
You are arguing semantics. Doesn't matter if his strength increased or not. His power into his attacks were significantly more.
You saying that his power didn't increase. This implies that he was holding back because of the mental blocks. This is what I'm saying. So again, you are arguing semantics.I'm talking about OWAW. Did you read it? Do you see how Superman hit the probe before he released the mental blocks and didn't do anything? While after he releases the mental blocks, he one shot the probe with ease WITH THE VERY SAME ATTACK.
Look at before and after. At before, you see his face is straining as hard possible. At after, you see Superman causally (not really straining) doing FAR more damage with the same attacks. Going from straining and not doing anything to being calm and doing more than 5x more damage is a huge difference.
If Superman has these mental blocks that when released result in him being well beyond("5x"😉 other high heralds in strength, does this mean that all Kryptonians/Daxamites have mental blocks?
Originally posted by burrrrrr
If Superman has these mental blocks that when released result in him being well beyond("5x"😉 other high heralds in strength, does this mean that all Kryptonians/Daxamites have mental blocks?
No. Superman is a cosmic anomaly, he is the center of creation, everything comes from Superman. He has a special place in creation, like Batman and Wonder Woman, they are nexus beings from a nexus planet (earth).
Originally posted by burrrrrrThey get their powers from the same power source and they cannot drop mental blocks and get stronger and neither can superman. What they fail to realize is that i can go out and fight a person around my strength level but fight in a manner that only results in my opponent getting beaten up and then telling me you won, but i can go into a rage and not care about going to jail or killing my opponent and rip out his eyes, break his arms and neck and choke him out, my strength increased not one point. That is what mongul jr taught superman to do. Doomsday did not need to be taught.
If Superman has these mental blocks that when released result in him being well beyond("5x"😉 other high heralds in strength, does this mean that all Kryptonians/Daxamites have mental blocks?
Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
No. Superman is a cosmic anomaly, he is the center of creation, everything comes from Superman. He has a special place in creation, like Batman and Wonder Woman, they are nexus beings from a nexus planet (earth).
If that's canonically true then it seems that the idea of Superman being the center of creation is either the epitome of PIS or all Superman battle threads should be written off as spite threads. It's like reading a Saint of Killers thread where the writers basically stated that he can't lose to anyone.
Originally posted by burrrrrr
If Superman has these mental blocks that when released result in him being well beyond("5x"😉 other high heralds in strength, does this mean that all Kryptonians/Daxamites have mental blocks?
To be sure , we must ask the writer of OWAW.
We know this much
1. Superman normally appears to be peers to other daxamites (although a little more superior). This is normal mindset Superman.
2. Superman went from not causing DD any pain (when in 1. mindset) to killing him in mere moments.
3. Superman went from fighting a probe using all his might for hours and not doing much (when in 1. mind frame) to casually one shotting them.
4. Years of yellow sun exposure has made Superman more and more powerful over the years.
When Superman fights other kryptonians from his universe, he is sometimes shown superior most of the time (with his mental blocks on). So this could mean that Superman is an anomally or that he's absorbed solar energy far longer than any other kryptonian. In other words, all kryptonians aren't necessarily physical equals, especially those from different universes. Some asgardians are many times stronger than others. Thor is the strongest asgardian, with exception to Odin. Heimdall is much stronger than all the asgardians except Thor and Odin. Batman and Kingpin are many times stronger than any human. You get my point.
Finally, two characters going blow for blow doesn't necessarily mean that they are peers in physicality.
Originally posted by JBL
They get their powers from the same power source and they cannot drop mental blocks and get stronger and neither can superman. What they fail to realize is that i can go out and fight a person around my strength level but fight in a manner that only results in my opponent getting beaten up and then telling me you won, but i can go into a rage and not care about going to jail or killing my opponent and rip out his eyes, break his arms and neck and choke him out, my strength increased not one point. That is what mongul jr taught superman to do. Doomsday did not need to be taught.
You are referring to strategy and not power output.
HV is HV, a punch is a punch. Superman through the same attacks and you see a dramatically different result. The power behind the attacks were not the same as before.
Originally posted by h1a8For the last time. Doomsday destroyed those probes. Was doomsday more that 5x stronger than superman before superman dropped his so-called mental blocks? Because if superman getting more than 5x stronger was what he had to do in order to destroy those probes, has to place DD at more than 5x stronger than superman from the start? NO
Good question! You are assuming that Superman (a kryptonian) is physically equal to any daxamite (with similar mindsets). Daxamites don't have to be physically equal to Superman at all since they are genetically different and anomalies can exist in either race. For example, single probes were killing hundreds of daxamites in OWAW. Yet Superman was one shotting them right and left. Even before Superman releases his mental blocks he killed a probe (after a very long time though). This means that Superman is above any daxamite when both are at the same mindset.To be sure , we must ask the writer of OWAW.
We know this much
1. Superman normally appears to be peers to other daxamites (although a little more superior). This is normal mindset Superman.
2. Superman went from not causing DD any pain (when in 1. mindset) to killing him in mere moments.
3. Superman went from fighting a probe using all his might for hours and not doing much (when in 1. mind frame) to casually one shotting them.
4. Years of yellow sun exposure has made Superman more and more powerful over the years.When Superman fights other kryptonians from his universe, he is sometimes shown superior most of the time (with his mental blocks on). So this could mean that Superman is an anomally or that he's absorbed solar energy far longer than any other kryptonian. In other words, all kryptonians aren't necessarily physical equals, especially those from different universes. Some asgardians are many times stronger than others. Thor is the strongest asgardian, with exception to Odin. Heimdall is much stronger than all the asgardians except Thor and Odin. Batman and Kingpin are many times stronger than any human. You get my point.
Finally, two characters going blow for blow doesn't necessarily mean that they are peers in physicality.
Originally posted by h1a8
Good question! You are assuming that Superman (a kryptonian) is physically equal to any daxamite (with similar mindsets). Daxamites don't have to be physically equal to Superman at all since they are genetically different and anomalies can exist in either race. For example, single probes were killing hundreds of daxamites in OWAW. Yet Superman was one shotting them right and left. Even before Superman releases his mental blocks he killed a probe (after a very long time though). This means that Superman is above any daxamite when both are at the same mindset.To be sure , we must ask the writer of OWAW.
We know this much
1. Superman normally appears to be peers to other daxamites (although a little more superior). This is normal mindset Superman.
2. Superman went from not causing DD any pain (when in 1. mindset) to killing him in mere moments.
3. Superman went from fighting a probe using all his might for hours and not doing much (when in 1. mind frame) to casually one shotting them.
4. Years of yellow sun exposure has made Superman more and more powerful over the years.When Superman fights other kryptonians from his universe, he is sometimes shown superior most of the time (with his mental blocks on). So this could mean that Superman is an anomally or that he's absorbed solar energy far longer than any other kryptonian. In other words, all kryptonians aren't necessarily physical equals, especially those from different universes. Some asgardians are many times stronger than others. Thor is the strongest asgardian, with exception to Odin. Heimdall is much stronger than all the asgardians except Thor and Odin. Batman and Kingpin are many times stronger than any human. You get my point.
Finally, two characters going blow for blow doesn't necessarily mean that they are peers in physicality.
Well, I can see where you're coming from(the Odin comparison is a good point). Do you agree with McAbe that "Superman is a cosmic anomaly, he is the center of creation, everything comes from Superman. He has a special place in creation, like Batman and Wonder Woman, they are nexus beings from a nexus planet (earth)"?
Originally posted by burrrrrr
If that's canonically true then it seems that the idea of Superman being the center of creation is either the epitome of PIS or all Superman battle threads should be written off as spite threads. It's like reading a Saint of Killers thread where the writers basically stated that he can't lose to anyone.
It's true. From the PC Days, where we see that the Sword of Superman was created during the big band, the dawn of creation, a Sword that could make Superman god, to the post crisis days where Superman was not only described as a anomaly by imperiex, but also as a nexus being from a nexus planet during his judgement by the Quintessence. It continued over the infinite crisis, where Alexander Luthor found out that everything comes from Superman to the Final Crisis, where the most powerful weapon ever created in comics, the Cosmic Armor, could only be powered by the greatest Story every told, Supermans story.
Originally posted by JBL
That's not true at all. Superman has mental blocks in place to keep from hurting NORMAL people. He had to practice for a while as explained by Batman. Now he DOES NOT have to keep telling himself to be careful around NORMAL people, he does it on a subconcious level now. He does NOT have 1,2,3,4 0r 5x his strength hidden from himself that he cannot access. Mongul jr taught superman to forget about lois or anything else because they distracted him from fighting his best, mongul wanted him to fight like an animal who has no concerns about anything BUT crushing, destroying and killing..THATS WHY THEY GOT DOOMSDAY INVOLVED, they knew he did not give a damn about ANYTHING but destruction. Superman had to fight like doomsday and did. He did not get any stronger. The only time he did is when he sun amped.
Clearly Pete, you care about how you look on this board. Considering how much effort you're putting into TRYING to save face that you're running away from my challenge. You should know that you'd look better either telling the truth that you know I'll destroy you, or just disappear from this thread, than you are digging yourself deeper proving how little you know and making up excuses.
Either put your money where your mouth is and accept my challenge, or shut up. You're clueless about Superman's dynamic powers.