Originally posted by psmith81992
Lmao@ making no argument for your retarded assumption. At least DE had the sense to reach.
Nox's peak combat feat is defeating Thanaton. Darth Malgus has done much more than that and Darth Jadus' force powers are also more impressive and he is considered to be the second most powerful sith within the empire after the Emperor himself.
Easy with the language btw.
Nox's peak combat feat is defeating Thanaton. Darth Malgus has done much more than that and Darth Jadus' force powers are also more impressive and he is considered to be the second most powerful sith within the empire after the Emperor himself.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
Oneshotting them is more impressive than defeating someone in a dream.
Count Dooku did put Asajj Ventress on a choke-hold once which she couldn't cope with. It is possible that Asajj Ventress was caught off-guard at this point or something because Count Dooku did not dominate Asajj Ventress in this manner in any other duel.
Count Dooku did incapacitate Obi-Wan Kenobi in a duel but he did so by sending the latter crashing in to a wall with such force that Obi-Wan lost conscious temporarily and soon after ripped apart and threw some debris over the Jedi Master to keep him pinned.
Count Dooku's lightning does hurt, he incapacitated Sora Bulq with it in a duel and rendered Anakin Skywalker unconscious with it in another duel after Anakin Skywalker was injured by weapons of the droids and distracted to act against Count Dooku.
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Darth Thanaton literally one-shotted Darth Nox with an unknown technique in a duel even though the latter was augmented by the power of a Force ghost or 2 at this point and was naturally powerful to begin with.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Correction: They are decent but not exactly powerful by mythos standards.Count Dooku is basically powerful by mythos standards.
No, they are powerful. More powerful than Nox was when Thanaton beat her. Only the spirits make the feat equivalent. Decent would be a random Jedi Master. Powerful is someone like Ventress and Obi-Wan who hang with some of the best fighters to ever live.
Dooku dueled Yoda without dying and beat Mace Windu. He is far above powerful, he is legendary.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
I believe a character is mediocre unless officially verified to be powerful by mythos standards. Simple.
Powerful by what standards? Compared to whom? Who else *do* you consider mediocre?
I'd be nice to get strait answers on these ^^
Wredd is decent, not a mook. Got it.However, is Wredd a match for real giants of Sith Order? No.
Does one have to be a giant to not be mediocre? That's the point I was trying to make.
Wredd's an ambitious up-and-comer, still gaining in strength. He only *just* killed his master recently, after all!
A good comparison to him might be... Nox, pre-spirits, or something along those lines.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
If a character have no accolades in an encyclopedic medium, they are mediocre...That's the general vibe I'm getting.
It'd be nice if they'd come out and say it ^^
Also, it strikes me as a bit silly, because there are some sections not *covered* in any encyclopedic medium!
Nephthys
In terms of the whole mythos, mediocre would be your average Jedi Knight. Powerful would be a Jedi Master. Very Powerful would be Jedi Council. And then above that are the best of the best.
Yea, something like that makes sense to me. Though I'd also add, 'if that's where someone levels out.'
So you can have someone of average power (a knight), but if they're still padawan-age and growing fast... well, then I'd call them a lot less mediocre than someone who's roughly the same strength but 20 years older.
Originally posted by Nephthys
No, they are powerful. More powerful than Nox was when Thanaton beat her. Only the spirits make the feat equivalent. Decent would be a random Jedi Master. Powerful is someone like Ventress and Obi-Wan who hang with some of the best fighters to ever live.Dooku dueled Yoda without dying and beat Mace Windu. He is far above powerful, he is legendary.
Powerful Force-users are outright stated as such officially. Otherwise, we wouldn't know who are exactly powerful by mythos standards and would be left to our own judgments. For example: Ulic Qel Droma is verified to be a powerful Force-user by mythos standards in an official source. This is how I know he is powerful by mythos standards and I evaluate from this baseline assumption in debates.
Darth Nox was actually a powerful Force-user by mythos standards even during the time of his apprenticeship to Lord Zash. We don't know how strong he was but he was the 2nd individual to impress Khem Val in thousands of years of span after Tulak Hord and successfully completed the deadly Sith trials even though his instructors wanted him to fail. This information is not to be taken lightly. Obi-Wan Kenobi, Asajj Ventress and Sora Bulq have not been tested in this manner.
You don't have to be powerful to be recognized as one of the best of the Order. Few individuals are powerful by mythos standards in any era, most are average and below average. The Jedi Masters representing the famous B-Team are also regarded as one of the best of the Order but were they exactly powerful by mythos standards? I really doubt this.
Count Dooku did not beat Mace Windu, droids disrupted the battle and granted Count Dooku the opportunity to escape. Yoda was more interested at redeeming Count Dooku then killing him.
Darth Maul have actually fought Mace Windu and survived. So is he better then Count Dooku or a match for Darth Sidious?
Do not make black and white assumptions.
Originally posted by Q99
Powerful by what standards? Compared to whom? Who else *do* you consider mediocre?I'd be nice to get strait answers on these ^^
The word powerful is thrown around too much in Star Wars: Darth Bane: Path of Destruction novel as an example. However, the same sourcebook reveals that Brotherhood of Darkness is lacking in wisdom and quality in comparison to ancient Sith. Therefore, Encyclopedic mediums come in handy.
Originally posted by Q99
Does one have to be a giant to not be mediocre? That's the point I was trying to make.Wredd's an ambitious up-and-comer, still gaining in strength. He only *just* killed his master recently, after all!
A good comparison to him might be... Nox, pre-spirits, or something along those lines.
Darth Nox impressed Khem Val who was impressed by (only) Tulak Hord before among all those he met and he met thousands of Force-users. And you realize how powerful Tulak Hord is?
Originally posted by Nephthys
In terms of the whole mythos, mediocre would be your average Jedi Knight. Powerful would be a Jedi Master. Very Powerful would be Jedi Council. And then above that are the best of the best.
Originally posted by psmith81992
Congratulations, you've named 3 individuals with whom I didn't argue about..
Wow, seriously?
I've claimed that Thanaton isnt Jadus or Malgus level and you disrespectfully disagreed and then I explained my reasoning by comparing the 2 sith to Nox who has defeated Thanaton.
Is it so hard for you to comprehend these things?
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
They were strong and gifted but not exactly powerful by mythos standards, they had much to learn in comparison to supreme Force-users.
You don't have to be supreme to be considered powerful. Do me a favor, go look up the definition of the word "powerful", because you clearly don't fully grasp its meaning. Having great strength in the Force is all that's required. Something your average Jedi Master or Sith Lord possess.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Powerful Force-users are outright stated as such officially.
Bullshit, we don't need official confirmation of people being powerful for them to be so. Common sense dictates that if they've demonstrated parity with other powerful individuals, they're powerful as well.
Besides, I am pretty damn sure Ventress and Obi-Wan have been stated to be powerful in official materials. That's just a no-shit thing, they're obviously powerful Force Users. Sidious himself felt Ventress was TOO powerful and ordered her death. Even the Nightsisters of Dathomir are stated to be powerful in the database and Ventress is superior to the majority of them.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Otherwise, we wouldn't know who are exactly powerful by mythos standards and would be left to our own judgments. For example: Ulic Qel Droma is verified to be a powerful Force-user by mythos standards in an official source. This is how I know he is powerful by mythos standards and I evaluate from this baseline assumption in debates.
Whats so bad about forming out own judgements? We do it all the time. You do it every time you suggest a character is on Dooku's level. You need to learn to actually critically think about these things instead of blabbing halfcocked about wherever you think a vague statement might be pointing at.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Darth Nox was actually a powerful Force-user by mythos standards even during the time of his apprenticeship to Lord Zash. We don't know how strong he was but he was the 2nd individual to impress Khem Val in thousands of years of span after Tulak Hord and successfully completed the deadly Sith trials even though his instructors wanted him to fail. This information is not to be taken lightly.
Nox didn't impress Khem at this point, Khem constantly talks about the Inquisitor being an insect compared to Hord and generally says Nox is shit all the time to her face and threatens to kill her. Nox beat a weakened Khem and he was forced to obey her.
Millions of Sith complete the trails. Who cares. Doesn't stop full Sith Lords from getting stomped by a Smuggler.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Obi-Wan Kenobi, Asajj Ventress and Sora Bulq have not been tested in this manner.
Yes, you are absolutely right. They have never been tested as much as Nox was. Apprentice Nox was surely their superior based upon this fact alone, which is clearly a sensible conclusion to make. This 100% true fact is something that I am stating for the record as being completely accurate. Nothing they have faced compares to Nox being sent to 3 locations, fighting worms, droids and failed acolytes and performing basic fetch-quests. Truly Nox is without equal. I think Nox should be banned from threads because she is just so fantastic.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
You don't have to be powerful to be recognized as one of the best of the Order.
Being one of the best of the Order obviously makes you powerful. Again, you clearly have no idea what the word powerful actually means.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Few individuals are powerful by mythos standards in any era, most are average and below average. The Jedi Masters representing the famous B-Team are also regarded as one of the best of the Order but were they exactly powerful by mythos standards? I really doubt this.
Yes, they're powerful. 😐
Saesee Tiin was said to "one of the strongest Force abilities of all the Jedi."
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Count Dooku did not beat Mace Windu, droids disrupted the battle and granted Count Dooku the opportunity to escape. Yoda was more interested at redeeming Count Dooku then killing him.Darth Maul have actually fought Mace Windu and survived. So is he better then Count Dooku or a match for Darth Sidious?
Do not make black and white assumptions.
Dooku has defeated Windu in lightsaber combat before the PT, when he was still a Jedi. That Yoda couldn't capture Dooku still puts him above losers like Skotia and Zash.
Don't make stupid assumptions.