Originally posted by Sinious
Well not really. Bane enforced his ideals into sith and it went on like that for a millennia. I'm not saying what he did was a mistake but it inevitably derogated the sith in a way. Think of as the golden era of the sith nation/culture.I think the ultimate victory of sith is achieved in Palpatine's era but the sith achieved this with a grand sacrifice so I don't think that should be called the sith golden era.
Like I said, the numbers of the Sith are pretty much irrelevant to their ideals. So, yeah, not really seeing this as a problem. Especially when one consider that the RoT is the greatest of the Sith Orders (at least according to their prophecies).
Originally posted by ares834
Like I said, the numbers of the Sith are pretty much irrelevant to their ideals. So, yeah, not really seeing this as a problem. Especially when one consider that the RoT is the greatest of the Sith Orders (at least according to their prophecies).
It isn't a problem for the grand plan but like I said the "golden era" term means something else here. What good is a victory for the sith if there are no other sith around to witness it? Palpatine's solo triumph isn't equal to sith's golden era.
Originally posted by Sinious
It isn't a problem for the grand plan but like I said the "golden era" term means something else here. What good is a victory for the sith if there are no other sith around to witness it? Palpatine's solo triumph isn't equal to sith's golden era.
I'm pretty torn on this.
Palpatine didn't really advance the rule of two, or make more Sith. But he did finally achieve every sith's dream of the Rule of One, he had the power to reign eternal, if not for his apprentice.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Palpatine did little to advance Sith ideals during his rule. He wanted everybody to be subservient to him. He did not establish training centers to create new Sith, he tutored only one apprentice. He did not pave way for progress of Sith ideals, he only strengthened himself.
What are you talking about? Did little to advance sith ideals? He advanced the ideals of Bane's sith. Why would he advance the ideals of other sith organizations, or did you conveniently leave this out?
I'm pretty torn on this.Palpatine didn't really advance the rule of two, or make more Sith. But he did finally achieve every sith's dream of the Rule of One, he had the power to reign eternal, if not for his apprentice.
I think advancing the sith order to the next level would be bringing back the ancient sith culture into the galactic empire which means having thousands of sith around with Palpatine as their Emperor. He only wanted personal glory and an apprentice to do his bidding.
Like I said before, Sidious' galactic domination means a sith dominating the galaxy but it isn't what sith golden era means.
Originally posted by Sinious
I think advancing the sith order to the next level would be bringing back the ancient sith culture into the galactic empire which means having thousands of sith around with Palpatine as their Emperor. He only wanted personal glory and an apprentice to do his bidding.Like I said before, Sidious' galactic domination means a sith dominating the galaxy but it isn't what sith golden era means.
Darth Revan's Sith Empire is among the greatest in Sith history, but has surprisingly yet to have been nominated.
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In terms of numbers of Force sensitives and soldiers, Revan's Sith Empire clocks in the thousands. In a comparison of overall military might and politics, it is directly compared and stated to be on par with the Galactic Empire itself.
"The reinvented Sith Empire of Darth Revan and Darth Malak is a massive galaxy-threatening organization on par with the Galactic Empire of the original Star Wars trilogy. This version of the Sith has it all, from huge battleships and starfighters to countless shocktroopers of both the "normal" and Force-using variety. They even have a Death Star-like superweapon, in the form of the Star Force. [...] Dozens if not hundreds of Sith apprentices learn the ways of the dark side of the Force, and a few even rise to the rank of Sith Master, training students of their own. With legions of armored troops spreading throughout the galaxy, all led my masters of the Force, the Sith Empire seems unstoppable."
--Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic Campaign Guide
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For military accomplishments, Darth Revan's Sith Empire also is among the greatest. Within less then just one year the Empire managed to gain control over a third of the entire known galaxy. In total, they brought the numbers of alive Jedi down to merely hundred Jedi. It is confirmed that if Darth Revan would have not of been captured, they would have successfully taken over the galaxy.
"Darth Revan was one of the most ambitious Sith in history, leading a massive fleet of expatriates in war against the Old Republic-while trying to locate the mythical Star Forge, a source of potentially unlimited power. He certainly would have succeeded were it not for the betrayal of his apprentice, Darth Malak, and the intrepid interference of a Jedi called Bastila Shan."
--Star Was Insider 88: Virtual Sith
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Other candidates I nominate are Marka Ragnos' Sith Empire, the Sith Emperor's Sith Empire, the Galactic Empire, and Darth Krayt's Sith Empire.
Originally posted by Emperor NewGuy
The Galactic Empire would crush Revan's Empire. That quote is stupid, just sayin'.
The quote is only stupid if misinterpreted. You're right; the Galactic Empire would crush Revan's empire pretty seriously. But Revan's empire is indeed massive and galaxy-threatening, like the later Galactic Empire.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
@NewGuy01 It was suppose to be. Doesn't mean it actually was, unless someone has a quote saying otherwise.
Darth Revan's Sith Empire nearly surpassed Vitiate's in incredible less time in terms of territory of the known galaxy at the time.
Your Revan wank is premature. At its peak, Revan controlled approximately a third of the known galaxy. Viti about half. There's no disputing which was larger. If you want to give Revan the nod because he achieved that level of success in a fraction of the time that Viti had at his disposal, that's your prerogative and I may agree, but Viti's empire was indeed bigger and badder.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
Your Revan wank is premature. At its peak, Revan controlled approximately a third of the known galaxy. Viti about half. There's no disputing which was larger. If you want to give Revan the nod because he achieved that level of success in a fraction of the time that Viti had at his disposal, that's your prerogative and I may agree, but Viti's empire was indeed bigger and badder.