Ozymandias vs Captain America

Originally posted by Silent Master
This is also a lie, you just restated your opinion without offering any proof, that's not a rebuttal. Your lie count is now at 4.

You are the one lying. You ignored my rebuttal instead of addressing it.

You argued about Ozy moving at that speed in the fight. I rebutted it and said he doesn't have to (last rebuttal to you). Inhuman gave a baseball argument about predicting the trajectory of a baseball while it is in mid flight. I explained that you have to see and perceive the ball moving midflight in order to predict when and where it's going to arrive.
DDM made up a fictious story that never happened I'm the film. And stated that it was your argument that Ozy predicted the trajectory of the bullet (that was Inhuman's point, not yours). I disproved that theory by stating that Ozy moved after the gun was fired and having the facts that, Ozy, in order to catch a bullet, has to know when to start to move his hand and where to move it to. If he starts his hand too late or too early then he will miss the bullet, or if he aims his hand in the wrong final position then he will not have succeeded in catching it. And stated that writer's intent is pretty clear here and extra shit not shown or alluded to in the movie doesn't exist. That's called making stuff up.

Originally posted by h1a8
There is no monkey sounds. Wtf are you talking about. You said in the director's cut. I don't have that. I have the original version.

1. Ozy was shown to move his hand After the gun fired.
That's a fact.

Give me a while to upload the enhanced version.

Don't be so impatient.

Once again you're lying, Your rebuttal didn't contain any facts for me to address.

Wrong, I argued that the bullet scene doesn't prove that Ozy "had to" see the bullet and as of yet. you still have refuted the argument.

Originally posted by h1a8
DDM made up a fictious story that never happened I'm the film. And stated that it was your argument that Ozy predicted the trajectory of the bullet (that was Inhuman's point, not yours).

Wrong, that was Silent Master's point, originally:

Jan 15th, 2020 11:57 PM

Originally posted by Silent Master
Sorry, but being able to move your hand once while outside of combat is hardly proof that you can fight at that speed. Otherwise major league pitchers would be some of the fastest fighters on Earth, which they're not.

So I'll ask again, what proof do you have that Ozy can fight fast enough to avoid being hit by Captain America even once?

Trajectory prediction is a baseball thing, for shizzle. More so for a batter than a pitcher but the pitcher has to project where the pitch will be in order to be successful. But they can't fight at 105 mph.

Man, now you made me take the discussion seriously.

I'll post your evidence with the monkey sounds, later. It is essential that you understand that Ozy is adamant about being a supreme martial artist.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Once again you're lying, Your rebuttal didn't contain any facts for me to address.

Wrong, I argued that the bullet scene doesn't prove that Ozy "had to" see the bullet and as of yet. you still have refuted the argument.

A lie. Here are two facts I stated.
I stated that Ozy moved his hand after the bullet was fired. That's a fact.
For Inhuman, I stated that humans predict the final trajectory of the baseball based off the ball's midair flight information (they have to see the ball moving to get this information).

No one rebutted those.

You stating that it doesn't have to mean he saw the bullet without another explanation around the facts I gave is not a rebuttal. You have to give how Ozy could do it given the things I stated.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Wrong, that was Silent Master's point, originally:

Jan 15th, 2020 11:57 PM

Trajectory prediction is a baseball thing, for shizzle. More so for a batter than a pitcher but the pitcher has to project where the pitch will be in order to be successful. But they can't fight at 105 mph.

Man, now you made me take the discussion seriously.

I'll post your evidence with the monkey sounds, later. It is essential that you understand that Ozy is adamant about being a supreme martial artist.

LOL idiot post. Did you see what you quoted? It had nothing to do trajectory predictions. Silent was arguing movement speed in battle. Will Ozy be able to move as fast as he did when catching the bullet? Inhuman's argument was about trajectory prediction.

I countered Silent with the fact that Ozy can move slower than Cap and still be able to avoid being hit. I.e. speed of Cap (human level speed) isn't required.

Originally posted by h1a8
A lie. Here are two facts I stated.
I stated that Ozy moved his hand after the bullet was fired. That's a fact.
For Inhuman, I stated that humans predict the final trajectory of the baseball based off the ball's midair flight information (they have to see the ball moving to get this information).

No one rebutted those.

Once again you're lying and here is the proof. below is you claiming that Ozy saw the bullet

Originally posted by h1a8
The fact that Ozy saw the bullet proves it. Doesn't matter if he calculated the trajectory midair of the bullet.
The fact that Ozy was able to react to the bullet proves it.

Here is you claiming to have proven that Ozy "had to" see the bullet.

Originally posted by h1a8
I proved why he had to see the bullet. You continue to troll and ignore the evidence I gave without addressing it.

Your lie count is now at 5

Originally posted by Silent Master
Once again you're lying and here is the proof. below is you claiming that Ozy saw the bullet

Here is you claiming to have proven that Ozy "had to" see the bullet.

Your lie count is now at 5

I edited my post. Read the last few sentences.

You are the king of ignoring strong points it's not surprising you didn't see the reasons why I gave that Ozy saw the bullet.

1. Ozy moved after the shot.
2. Ozy has to know when and where the bullet will arrive. He needs to see the bullet to get that information.
3. The speed of sound is 1125ft/s and the speed of the bullet is 1000ft/s.
If Ozy waited to hear the sound then the bullet would be less than 1.5ft away before he decided to move his hand.

Originally posted by h1a8
I edited my post. Read the last few sentences.

Your edit just brings your lie total to 6 as another explanation has been provided.

Originally posted by Silent Master
I already have mentioned at least one other possibility in previous debates, hell DDM just reminded you on the other page what it was.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Or what Silent Master said: predicting the trajectory of the bullet and catching it based off of his ability to see where someone is shooting.

1. Ozy moved after the shot.

Doesn't prove he saw the bullet. you don't have to see a bullet in order to move.

2. Ozy has to know when and where the bullet will arrive. He needs to see the bullet to get that information.

No, he just needs to see the person pulling the trigger and where the gun is pointed.

3. The speed of sound is 1125ft/s and the speed of the bullet is 1000ft/s.

That's nice, but it doesn't prove he saw the bullet.

If Ozy waited to hear the sound then the bullet would be less than 1.5ft away before he decided to move his hand.

Nobody is claiming he waited to hear the bullet, your making a strawman.

Originally posted by h1a8
LOL idiot post. Did you see what you quoted?

Yes. You didn't pay attention:

Originally posted by Silent Master
Sorry, but being able to move your hand once while outside of combat is hardly proof that you can fight at that speed. Otherwise major league pitchers would be some of the fastest fighters on Earth, which they're not.

So I'll ask again, what proof do you have that Ozy can fight fast enough to avoid being hit by Captain America even once?

Don't be mad because you were wrong about that, too. 🙂

Remember when he made a post about feelings? Surtur remembers 🙂

Originally posted by h1a8
It's also about the feeling. What did we feel when we seen those scenes? I most certainly felt those bots were scrap metal in some scenes.

Basically, if a character has highs and lows then it is faulty to use their highs when comparing what another character did against them.

Again, Cap can be bitten and slashed. There is no way he's stopping that from happening without a shield. We will most likely bleed out

Originally posted by dadudemon
Yes. You didn't pay attention:

Don't be mad because you were wrong about that, too. 🙂

I did. Like I said, Silent was talking about fighting speed, not about trajectory predictions.

I could easily argue speed but it's not necessary. Ozy can move slower than Can and still not be hit.

Originally posted by h1a8
I did. Like I said, Silent was talking about fighting speed, not about trajectory predictions.

I could easily argue speed but it's not necessary. Ozy can move slower than Can and still not be hit.

We can just ask Silent Master what he meant but pitchers not being able to fight at 105 MPH.

Silent Master, when you said baseball pitchers cannot fight at 105 MPH, did you mean they throw baseballs that fast through prediction of trajectories to, say, cause the batter to strike out? Or did you mean that the pitchers can move at 105MPH and, therefore, can fight at 105mph?

Let's wait for Silent Master to respond. Let's see what he says. I wonder who is right?

Man, the suspense is killing me. My butt is clenched so tightly that I'm getting cramps. The pain is forcing me to make monkey sounds like Ozy.

Speaking of, I will post the video in just a second.

Originally posted by dadudemon
We can just ask Silent Master what he meant but pitchers not being able to fight at 105 MPH.

Silent Master, when you said baseball pitchers cannot fight at 105 MPH, did you mean they throw baseballs that fast through prediction of trajectories to, say, cause the batter to strike out? Or did you mean that the pitchers can move at 105MPH and, therefore, can fight at 105mph?

Let's wait for Silent Master to respond. Let's see what he says. I wonder who is right?

Man, the suspense is killing me. My butt is clenched so tightly that I'm getting cramps. The pain is forcing me to make monkey sounds like Ozy.

Speaking of, I will post the video in just a second.

DDM is right.

Okay, I found the YouTube clip that shows the bullet catch.

I had to enhance the audio a bit so you can hear Ozy's martial art monkey sounds, preparing to predict the aim of the gun so he could catch the bullet:

Watch the video to at least 17 seconds. Trust me.

YouTube video

Originally posted by Silent Master
Doesn't prove he saw the bullet. you don't have to see a bullet in order to move.

No, he just needs to see the person pulling the trigger and where the gun is pointed.

That's nice, but it doesn't prove he saw the bullet.

Nobody is claiming he waited to hear the bullet, your making a strawman.

He needs to see the trigger pull and where the gun is pointed? What took you so long to give the reason. That's a rebuttal. You troll someone for pages until you are the one proven is the liar.

Ozy didn't move while she was pulling the trigger. He moved AFTER the bullet was already in the air. He has to calculate exactly where and when the bullet will end up with 0 information if he didn't see the bullet.

You are claiming that Ozy knows exactly how fast that bullet is (as a feeling) in order to catch it without seeing it. How can Ozy even perceive to know by feeling (in his mind) the exact speed of something that's well beyond a humans ability to perceive without perceiving it and without having some sense of superhuman perceptions? That's makes no sense.

At worst, you are describing a scenario that is less than 1% chance of being true. This falls far under the preponderance of evidence, so it's definitely considered speculation. Also, even with that speculation, you have proved that Ozy still retains superhuman perceptions and therefore would still see Cap moving in slow motion.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Okay, I found the YouTube clip that shows the bullet catch.

I had to enhance the audio a bit so you can hear Ozy's martial art monkey sounds, preparing to predict the aim of the gun so he could catch the bullet:

Watch the video to at least 17 seconds. Trust me.

YouTube video

LOL, a joke I see. You are very funny.