Vindican is a notable Sith Inquisitor and should logically have superior understanding of the Force then many Sith by virtue of his specialization.
Vindican's lightning bursts are potent enough to incapacitate even powerful Force-users, if Talon somehow ends up exposed to the former's lightning bursts, she is done for.
Vindican is decent in use of lightsaber as well, it took an extremely proficient duelist to stab him and Talon is not even close to Kao's proficiency in matters of lightsaber dueling arts, most aren't.
Vindican is also proficient in the matters of defending himself from powerful external attacks including direct exposure to rocket fire.
In the nutshell, Vindican is likely the superior Sith Lord and combatant in this contest. Talon may not be a slouch but she isn't good enough to handle Vindican, IMO.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Vindican is a notable Sith Inquisitor and should logically have superior understanding of the Force then many Sith by virtue of his specialization.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Vindican's lightning bursts are potent enough to incapacitate even powerful Force-users
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Vindican is decent in use of lightsaber as well, it took an extremely proficient duelist to stab him and Talon is not even close to Kao's proficiency in matters of lightsaber dueling arts, most aren't.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
In the nutshell, Vindican is likely the superior Sith Lord and combatant in this contest. Talon may not be a slouch but she isn't good enough to handle Vindican, IMO.
Holy **** I never thought it was happening but I'm actually defending Talon, my least favorite Sith, for once.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
Talon is a hand... that means she is one of Krayt's most powerful servants... not sure how being an inquisitor somehow places one above a Hand.
Sith Inquisitor represents specialization, in-depth understanding of the Force. This is the Sith equivalent of Jedi Consular specialization.
General description # 1:
TO BE A SITH requires strength, confidence, and sheer power. But to become a Sith inquisitor, one must embrace the dark side and wield its destructive power with unparalleled cunning. While other Sith fight amongst themselves, inquisitors survey the battlefield, devise sinister plans to seize power, and manipulate their enemies into warring with each other. Masters of political scheming, backstabbing and deceit, inquisitors play a deadly sparring match for power and influence. And when politics fail, inquisitors stride into the battlefield and humble all who oppose them with dreadful displays of dark side sorcery.
Whether driven to support the Empire or by selfish ambition, many inquisitors aspire for honors and splendor that can be achieved only by securing one of 12 seats on the Dark Council. With millions of Sith vying for power, the battle to climb the pyramid of hierarchy is won only for the most devious, clever and powerful masters of the dark side. (Taken from Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia)
General description # 2:
MASTERY OF THE DARK SIDE requires raw talent and an indomitable spirit. Sith inquisitors draw on their inner passions and dedicate themselves to one facet of the dark arts in their pursuit of ultimate power. (Taken from Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia)
Sub-specialization # 1:
ASSSASSINS cloak themselves in darkness and manipulate the minds of their enemies to disappear from the view. When concealment must be abandoned, Sith assassins emerge from the shadows. They bolster their defenses with the dark side while striking with cold efficiency and vicious dual-bladed lightsabers. (Taken from Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia)
Sub-specialization # 2
SORCERERS wield the power of the dark side to lay waste to their enemies. By bending the Force to their will, sorcerers also use the dark side to mend wounds and shield worthy allies. Whether cutting down a foe with a lightsaber or dominating them with a storm of Force lightning, a Sith sorcerer displays terrifying power on and off the battlefield. (Taken from Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia)
Not much is known about the exact specialties of Vindican but he have been officially identified as a Sith Inquisitor.
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Reconstituted ancient Sith Empire implemented specialization based training system to train Sith. I think that Krayt adopted more generalized approach to train Sith but he implemented ranking system to minimize potential challenges to his supremacy whereas reconstituted ancient Sith Empire encouraged open competition.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
When has this happened?
Kao used multiple blades to prevent the lightning cast from engulfing him.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
And Talon is not decent in the use of a lightsaber or proficient? You mean an extremely powerful duelist who was also fending off Malgus while fighting Vindican?
Do you really think that she matches Kao's proficiency? Most in-fact don't.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
And Vindican has done... what exactly?
Vindican trained Malgus and shaped him into one of the finest warriors of the Empire. Quality instructor ensures quality Sith in development. In addition, his specialization implies advanced understanding of the dark side.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
Holy **** I never thought it was happening but I'm actually defending Talon, my least favorite Sith, for once.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Hand represents a rank, not a specialization.Sith Inquisitor represents specialization, in-depth understanding of the Force. This is the Sith equivalent of Jedi Consular specialization.
[B]General description # 1:
TO BE A SITH requires strength, confidence, and sheer power. But to become a Sith inquisitor, one must embrace the dark side and wield its destructive power with unparalleled cunning. While other Sith fight amongst themselves, inquisitors survey the battlefield, devise sinister plans to seize power, and manipulate their enemies into warring with each other. Masters of political scheming, backstabbing and deceit, inquisitors play a deadly sparring match for power and influence. And when politics fail, inquisitors stride into the battlefield and humble all who oppose them with dreadful displays of dark side sorcery.
Whether driven to support the Empire or by selfish ambition, many inquisitors aspire for honors and splendor that can be achieved only by securing one of 12 seats on the Dark Council. With millions of Sith vying for power, the battle to climb the pyramid of hierarchy is won only for the most devious, clever and powerful masters of the dark side. (Taken from Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia)
General description # 2:
MASTERY OF THE DARK SIDE requires raw talent and an indomitable spirit. Sith inquisitors draw on their inner passions and dedicate themselves to one facet of the dark arts in their pursuit of ultimate power. (Taken from Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia)
Sub-specialization # 1:
ASSSASSINS cloak themselves in darkness and manipulate the minds of their enemies to disappear from the view. When concealment must be abandoned, Sith assassins emerge from the shadows. They bolster their defenses with the dark side while striking with cold efficiency and vicious dual-bladed lightsabers. (Taken from Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia)
Sub-specialization # 2
SORCERERS wield the power of the dark side to lay waste to their enemies. By bending the Force to their will, sorcerers also use the dark side to mend wounds and shield worthy allies. Whether cutting down a foe with a lightsaber or dominating them with a storm of Force lightning, a Sith sorcerer displays terrifying power on and off the battlefield. (Taken from Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia)
Not much is known about the exact specialties of Vindican but he have been officially identified as a Sith Inquisitor.
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Reconstituted ancient Sith Empire implemented specialization based training system to train Sith. I think that Krayt adopted more generalized approach to train Sith but he implemented ranking system to minimize potential challenges to his supremacy whereas reconstituted ancient Sith Empire encouraged open competition.
When a lightning cast from Vindican was turned towards Malgus by Kao, the power incapacitated Malgus for a while.
Kao used multiple blades to prevent the lightning cast from engulfing him.
I did not assert that Talon sucks.
Do you really think that she matches Kao's proficiency? Most in-fact don't.
This is odd question.
Vindican trained Malgus and shaped him into one of the finest warriors of the Empire. Quality instructor ensures quality Sith in development. In addition, his specialization implies advanced understanding of the dark side.
Holy shit, don't then. Easy. [/B]
This all nice and swell, but Talon has more feats to back up her prowess as well as her rank, Just because Vindican trained Malgus doesn't make him some strong beast and the inquisitor title doesn't mean anything, Cin Drallig was a Jedi battlemaster yet he fell very quickly To Anakin. Judging a character soley on the fact that they held a title will only lead to baseless assumptions and inacurracies.
Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
This all nice and swell, but Talon has more feats to back up her prowess as well as her rank, Just because Vindican trained Malgus doesn't make him some strong beast and the inquisitor title doesn't mean anything, Cin Drallig was a Jedi battlemaster yet he fell very quickly To Anakin. Judging a character soley on the fact that they held a title will only lead to baseless assumptions and inacurracies.
Indeed. And plenty of students pass their masters- Dooku's master was apparently nothing special.
Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
This all nice and swell, but Talon has more feats to back up her prowess as well as her rank, Just because Vindican trained Malgus doesn't make him some strong beast and the inquisitor title doesn't mean anything, Cin Drallig was a Jedi battlemaster yet he fell very quickly To Anakin. Judging a character soley on the fact that they held a title will only lead to baseless assumptions and inacurracies.
Talon isn't on par with Kao Cen Darach, greater quantity of feats does not implies superiority.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Sith inquisitors are masters of the Force.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Talon isn't on par with Kao Cen Darach,
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
greater quantity of feats does not implies superiority.
Originally posted by Emperordmb.
Are you seriously implying that any inquisitor could beat Talon by virtue of being an inquisitor?
Emperor...I'm seriously appalled you continue to defend talon...like damn.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Sith inquisitors are masters of the Force.
Vindican has shown absolutely nothing to put him above someone like Talon or Nihl.
Talon isn't on par with Kao Cen Darach, greater quantity of feats does not implies superiority.
So...just because we've seen the jedi master Fay in action in the comic with Durge and Ventress means She > most PT council members......not really how this sort of thing works LeGenD
Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
Vindican has shown absolutely nothing to put him above someone like Talon or Nihl.
Indeed.
So...just because we've seen the jedi master Fay in action in the comic with Durge and Ventress means She > most PT council members......not really how this sort of thing works LeGenD
If your few feats are good enough, it can count for a heck of a lot in my book.
But... Vindican's few feats are not near as good as Master Fay's anyway!
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Sith inquisitors are masters of the Force.Talon isn't on par with Kao Cen Darach, greater quantity of feats does not implies superiority.
I'd say she is. Obliterating that stone floor like she did is about even with Kao's Force feats and she's plenty strong with a saber.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
Are you seriously implying that any inquisitor could beat Talon by virtue of being an inquisitor?
Originally posted by Emperordmb
And Vindican is demonstrably not on par with Darach.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
And training a guy and getting beat by another guy definitely does not imply superiority.
Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
Vindican has shown absolutely nothing to put him above someone like Talon or Nihl.
Lord Vindican tanked a direct missile hit and dissipated its explosion swiftly as if it was nothing, this feat alone demonstrates great degree of sophistication and command of the Force. Not even Darth Malgus was able to demonstrate this level of sophistication on Aldeeran when he was hit by a missile (same model).
Lord Vindican is not just very good at defending himself but his powers are potent as well. Lord Vindican's lightning burst utterly incapacitated Darth Malgus for a while when it was deflected towards him (Darth Malgus) by Kao Cen Darach who used multiple blades and his logically very impressive deflective capabilities to pull this off.
I am confident that Lord Vindican wouldn't be lacking in telekinetic abilities either. Sith Inquisitors are good in all aspects of the Force.
Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
So...just because we've seen the jedi master Fay in action in the comic with Durge and Ventress means She > most PT council members......not really how this sort of thing works LeGenD
Originally posted by Nephthys
I'd say she is. Obliterating that stone floor like she did is about even with Kao's Force feats and she's plenty strong with a saber.
You want to see an impressive floor shattering feat? Look no further then this kind of feat of Lord Adraas inside Jedi Temple. This feat isn't an indication of superiority over other powerful Force-users, Sith tend to be destructive with their actions to psychologically influence their opponents.
Kao Cen Darach simultaneously handled Darth Malgus (one of the greatest warriors of the Empire at this point) and Lord Vindican simultaneously with his speed, ferocity and powers for a while. I really doubt that Darth Talon is this much capable.
In-fact, I really doubt that someone like Darth Talon would be crowned a Darth in reconstituted ancient Sith Empire or even in Rule of Two lineage, she is so pathetic in her beliefs and does little to improve herself, she represents decay of Sith in a future era.
Don't be ridiculous, and you are exaggerating Darth Talon's feat.
Not really, that was all from a single solid piece of rock- hard rock, they don't make temple floors from sandstone- and the result is taller than her and wider than it is tall.
In-fact, I really doubt that someone like Darth Talon would be crowned a Darth in reconstituted ancient Sith Empire or even in Rule of Two lineage, she is so pathetic in her beliefs and does little to improve herself,
There's many many darths in the TOR Empire she'd slaughter.
Talon, though devoted training, just got handed one of the higher slots in the Empire. She's young, much younger than her rival, and Darth Krayt promises to teach her more. There's roughly a year, year and a half between the start of Legacy and the end.
Or in other words, she's been consistently rewarded for her approach so far and as for any future ambitions, can you think of a better way than learning from Krayt? There's still Sith stronger than her but below Krayt, and passing them- or most specifically, Nihl- would be the next logical step for any sith. Striking out and taking over is something even a Rule of Two sith will often only consider when they're strong enough, after gaining as much strength as they can from their boss.
I don't view her as much different than Maul in mindset- remember he only started thinking independent in TCW. And it's a pretty rare sith who'd try and topple their boss *that* soon after getting a top spot, especially when they have much to learn!
Heck, don't forget the TOR position of Emperor's Wrath. Gaining power by chosing to directly serve is no odd thing for a sith.