Vindican vs. Darth Talon

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Talon's competence is not in question. However, I get the impression from your statements that you somehow don't understand the power and dueling ability required to handle two Sith Lords simultaneously in single combat with one of the Lords being among the best of the Empire.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD In addition, by incredible maneuvers, I am referring to masterful utilization of multiple blades by Darach to outduel his opponent, a demonstration of martial talent that have no equal in the mythos in visual demonstration so far and rarely duplicated in the lore, if ever.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
What?!

Originally posted by Emperordmb
So your argument is that Vindican would beat Talon because he fought and lost to a Jedi who was able to handle him and another Sith (who you seem to be hyping as a superior opponent) at the same time?

Also, show me examples of Jedi and Sith who match martial prowess of Darach. No, I don't want names like Yoda and BS. Show me actual examples of technical prowess.

Darth Talon defeated Wolf Sazen and Shado Vao combined, among the best two duelists of the Legacy era, in a display perhaps superior to Darach.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Darth Talon defeated Wolf Sazen and Shado Vao combined, among the best two duelists of the Legacy era, in a display perhaps superior to Darach.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
You do not disclose the entire picture properly:-

- Wolf Sazen had lost an arm before his confrontation with Darth Talon, to Darth Nihl. It is obvious that his effectiveness was impaired by this loss.

He generally fights with one-hand regardless.

He lost that arm more than a decade earlier, and ascended to the rank of master afterward; he was stronger when he fought Talon than he was previously.

lol try again Legend.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
He lost that arm more than a decade earlier, and ascended to the rank of master afterward; he was stronger when he fought Talon than he was previously.

Still, loss of an arm would hinder martial prowess.

And he and Vao do not have martial prowess of Darach.

If anything, it would hinder telekinesis, not martial prowess.

They have "impressive lightsaber skills," as demonstrated when they cut down dozens of Sith attackers.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
If anything, it would hinder telekinesis, not martial prowess.

They have "impressive lightsaber skills," as demonstrated when they cut down dozens of Sith attackers.

With Darach, we have solid on-screen evidence of his abilities and not just praise in literature.

It wasn't praise, we see them in comics cut down a ridiculous amount of Sith time and time again.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
It wasn't praise, we see them in comics cut down a ridiculous amount of Sith time and time again.

Also, comics are very bad at depicting feats in visual detail and depth. Images are often tricky as well.

Its like Vao swings a lightsaber in one shot. The other shot shows that he have killed an opponent. However, these photos give us no idea of technical ability of both characters.

In contrast, cinematic footage can demonstrate the depth of actions in vivid detail. We see Darach masterfully utilizing his lightsaber against his opponents, managing to duel two powerful and skilled opponents simultaneously effectively, and also managing to masterfully utilize multiple lightsabers against his opponents, demonstrating extraordinary martial prowess and power in general.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
But how good are those Sith? Do they have any feats?

Dunno, does Vindican?

@Legend Which battle are you referring to, the Korriban, Daluuj, or Taivas slaughter?

Not really, Darach got demolished by the weakest incarnation of Darth Malgus. 😬

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Dunno, does Vindican?

Did you not see the footage?

1. Overwhelmed a well-trained Jedi Knight Satele Shan with laughable ease.

2. Tanked a missile.

3. Unleashed bursts of lightning that overwhelmed anybody upon contact (e.g. Shan; Malgus). Darach managed to deflect using multiple blades and performing deflective action.

4. Managed to stalemate Darach for a reasonable time until up to point of latter's acquisition of a double-bladed lightsaber and shift in dueling style.

5. Tolerated stab wound on his face.

All of these are feats.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
@Legend Which battle are you referring to, the Korriban, Daluuj, or Taivas slaughter?

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Not really, Darach got demolished by the weakest incarnation of Darth Malgus. 😬

We see Malgus in two different phases. One is his normal phase and one is his anger phase. He won in anger phase, may have managed to tap into his raw potential effectively during this phase. I see it like Anakin against Dooku in ROTS.

In addition, Darach had expended lot of energy beforehand. His dueling actions were very tedious. Not his fault though since he was contending with overwhelming odds.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
1. Overwhelmed a well-trained Jedi Knight Satele Shan with laughable ease.

Overwhelming 2 well-trained Jedi Masters > Overwhelming 1 well-trained Jedi Padawan.

3. Unleashed bursts of lightning that overwhelmed anybody upon contact (e.g. Shan; Malgus). Darach managed to deflect using multiple blades and performing deflective action.

Talon's actually been able to incapacitate Jedi Masters with her lightning, Vindican's is hardly impressive.

4. Managed to stalemate Darach for a reasonable time until up to point of latter's acquisition of a double-bladed lightsaber and shift in dueling style.

Cade Skywalker > Kao-Cen Darach

5. Tolerated stab wound on his face.

Talon tolerated a ship to the face.