Originally posted by Q99
Hah, 'some debris' as in an entire spaceship well over twice as tall as a person and fairly long. That's a massive understatement for the purpose of misleading there.
This;
Sazen tells Cade to take Marasiah to his ship and flee but Cade chooses to stay using the Force to pick up a pile of junk and hurl it at Darth Talon knocking her into the trees. (Wookieepedia)
Here is an image:
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/File:Talon_Vendaxa.JPG
I am not sure if this is the same wreckage but doesn't seems like an object that a well-trained Force-user cannot handle.
Originally posted by Q99
Wredd took out Ania Solo with 'some debris' (Ania being a non-force user, he just took some loose metal and wrapper her in it). Talon was hit with a space ship. Do you know how many people survive having a spaceship thrown at them and not only survived but gotten into serious lightsaber duels later that day? Not many!
Firstly, stop exaggerating. Secondly, did you see how even young Malgus tore through a large starship engine while it was hurled at him like a missile? That starship engine is about the size of engine of a large passenger plane in real life. A large starship engine is a multi-tonned object full of machine inside it and ripping it apart in the manner as Malgus did requires great power, and experience can be lethal since this ripping apart a starship or aeroplane engine results in a powerful explosion but Malgus was unfazed and not injured.
Later on, Malgus tanked a missile that was fired at him by Jace Malcom, he did suffer some injuries from this development but he was fine. In-fact, Lord Vindican also found himself in the same situation as Malgus did on Aldeeran but the former not just outright tanked the missile but even dissipated the explosion of the missile in the process, more impressive.
I also recall Anakin Skywalker getting buried beneath large rocks inside a cave, rocks representing chunks of the ceiling of the cave that were ripped apart by Count Dooku to crush Anakin Skywalker beneath but the Jedi Knight broke free from the debris without much issue a while afterwards and was not injured.
These are the details that you need to focus upon. I think that both Lord Vindican and Darth Malgus can handle stuff that was thrown at Darth Talon. How many do you think have demonstrated the capability to tank missiles? Few.
Originally posted by Q99
Not to mention, she was able to escape and call for reinforcements- not only the thrown ship didn't knock her out for long enough for anyone to find her and finish the job, we don't actually have a sign that it knocked her out at all. Cade's force power shown there combined with still having other more trained force users to worry about just made her rethink the 'go it solo' approach.
I understand the part about bringing allies but your exaggerations other then this part are an issue.
Originally posted by Q99
Nope, you fail at that.Darth Talon has superior TK to Vindican. Talon has superior dueling to Vindican. Talon has superior physical ability. Talon has superior illusion (did you know she has illusion? She does, she was able to disguise herself as Marasiah Fel via the force).
And what you come up with in response is comparing her to someone... who flat-out killed Vindican anyway. Someone can be weaker than Kao Cen Darach and still kill Vindican.
1. Have we seen Lord Vindican's telekinetic actions? Can we draw a comparison here? Nope. But since he is a Sith Inquisitor, it is logical to assume that he doesn't sucks with TK.
2. Superior dueling to Lord Vindican based on what? Lord Vindican went toe-to-toe against Kao Cen Darach for a decent amount of time. Kao Cen Darach have demonstrated much superior dueling ability then Darth Talon, unfortunately for you. Quite babbling and exaggerating.
3. Talon have superior physical ability? Vindican performed acrobatic actions, dodged Darach's assaults, survived lightsaber stab on his face and even the impalement action later on. Don't presume too much.
4. By virtue of being a Sith Inquisitor, Lord Vindican would have great understanding of the Force and might be aware of illusions based stuff.
5. Kao Cen Darach represents the benchmark for handling an opponent of Lord Vindican's caliber. Your speculation is baseless.
Originally posted by Q99
Arguable, Sazen and Shado have some very good feats (even putting aside Cade), but as others have pointed out, she's not fighting Kao Cen Darach anyway, she's fighting Vindican, who is no Kao Cen Darach, and couldn't even stay alive against KCD with Malgus fighting alongside him.
Did you watch the SWTOR Return trailer properly? I'd suggest you do it.
When the Jedi and Sith duos confronted each other, Darth Malgus fought Satele Shan while Lord Vindican fought Kao Cen Darach. As the duel progressed, Kao Cen Darach saved his apprentice's life from Malgus's killing blow but then she found herself getting subjected to Vindican's powers. Kao Cen Darach stopped Vindican from hurting Satele Shan by unleashing a blast of power on him at the right moment, and then convinced his apprentice to escape because she was utterly outclassed in this contest. After this, Kao Cen Darach began to fight both Malgus and Vindican simultaneously using multiple blades and successfully deflected Vindican's lightning towards Malgus with his extreme bladework and deflective capabilities which knocked out Malgus for a while. Then fight came back to 1 on 1 between Vindican and Darach but the latter had advantage of superior technical swordsmanship and was using multiple blades for dueling during this second phase, this permitted Darach to impale Vinidcan.
Stop generalizing and underestimating Vindican, focus on the available evidence.
Originally posted by Q99
You are way overhyping the *third* most powerful person in that fight by somehow requiring her being stronger than the *second* most powerful as a bare-minimum to beat the *third*. Think about that for a moment.
I am not overhyping anybody. I cam calling a spade a spade.
Originally posted by Q99
She's been promoted over Sith Inquisitors.
Her promotion is irrelevant to what Sith Inquisitors are capable of. She was so loyal to Darth Krayt that she was willing to give her life for him, such a puppet. No wonder, Krayt found her better candidate for being a Hand.
