H/P Doomsday, Pre-Crisis Solomon Grundy, & Pre-Crisis Validus vs Gorr, WBH, & Odin

Originally posted by Branlor Swift

So if Surtur was indeed going to destroy the Nine Worlds in full, then there's a good chance it was going to extend beyond that to the "hidden universes". Though it's a bit of a stretch, but there's evidence to suggest.

... how is it they couldn't even destroy the single universe known as Asgard-Space?

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All they need is a "Conduit" to get rid of this problem.
Thor doesn't have the power to get this done. Welcome Odin.

Odin was in the other Reality that housed Asgard, known as Asgard Space:

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The Odin scenario:

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So, Odin is in the Sea of Space, Davis chose the other term used, "Asgard-Space,"
which is nowadays a standalone full universe.
Odin is tricked by Loki & Leah to help Thor.
Odin opens a dimensional-portal and they appear on the battlefield with Surtur:

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Surtur explodes, the great fire-power is released in Full!.
Odin does not block, absorb or withstand the flames,
instead he shunts the flames through the portal he came from: ("Conduit" they needed)

[img=http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t/16032759_Sur7.jpg]

Odin directing the flames through the portal:

[img=http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t/16032760_Sur8.jpg]

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Cool.

So, what happened to the "all-consuming" Flame-Power Surtur had collected?

Where did Odin guide these energies to?

Did they burn away an entire Universe where they landed?

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Odin is pissed not only cause he was tricked into helping Thor,
but also cause the place where he guided Surtur's burning-power through the portal
was "Asgard-Space"

Here's Odin, peering into a ball witnessing Surtur's Fire burning in Asgard-Space:

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Odin opens another portal to "Asgard-Space" (we see Fire withIN the portal)

Odin, and the chic, actually go to the universe where the Fire is, to watch ...

... so obviously the great Surtur Fire did Not explode or slag Asgard-Space entirely.

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So, what are we left with?

1) All the power Surtur collected was enough to burn the Dimension containing Asgard,
known as the "Sea of Space" or "Asgard-Space."

2) Surtur nor Odin ever acted on an actual "Universal" scale in this arc.

3) Odin never affected any Eternity and/or any Universe's Space-Time.

4) Odin was able to open a Conduit and shunt Surtur's power
into the Universe containing Asgard.

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IMO! based on what I read/saw.

This isn't universal manipulation imo.

Rage showed me Odin performing universal scale influence in the respect thread. Which I agree was. But this is not, imo.

Originally posted by Mr Master
But I'm confused B, not yur fault, it's the story.
The "fires" that were supposed to destroy the nine universes and then some ... were released in Full ...

... how is it they couldn't even destroy the single universe known as Asgard-Space?

-------------------------------------------

All they need is a "Conduit" to get rid of this problem.
Thor doesn't have the power to get this done. Welcome Odin.

Odin was in the other Reality that housed Asgard, known as Asgard Space:

============================

The [b]Odin scenario:

============================

So, Odin is in the Sea of Space, Davis chose the other term used, "Asgard-Space,"
which is nowadays a standalone full universe.
Odin is tricked by Loki & Leah to help Thor.
Odin opens a dimensional-portal and they appear on the battlefield with Surtur:

------------------------------------------

Surtur explodes, the great fire-power is released in Full!.
Odin does not block, absorb or withstand the flames,
instead he shunts the flames through the portal he came from: ("Conduit" they needed)

[img=http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t/16032759_Sur7.jpg]

Odin directing the flames through the portal:

[img=http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t/16032760_Sur8.jpg]

============================

Cool.

So, what happened to the "all-consuming" Flame-Power Surtur had collected?

Where did Odin guide these energies to?

Did they burn away an entire Universe where they landed?

===========================

Odin is pissed not only cause he was tricked into helping Thor,
but also cause the place where he guided Surtur's burning-power through the portal
was "Asgard-Space"

Here's Odin, peering into a ball witnessing Surtur's Fire burning in Asgard-Space:

------------------------------------------

Odin opens another portal to "Asgard-Space" (we see Fire withIN the portal)

Odin, and the chic, actually go to the universe where the Fire is, to watch ...

... so obviously the great Surtur Fire did Not explode or slag Asgard-Space entirely.

============================

So, what are we left with?

1) All the power Surtur collected was enough to burn the Dimension containing Asgard,
known as the "Sea of Space" or "Asgard-Space."

2) Surtur nor Odin ever acted on an actual "Universal" scale in this arc.

3) Odin never affected any Eternity and/or any Universe's Space-Time.

4) Odin was able to open a Conduit and shunt Surtur's power
into the Universe containing Asgard.

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IMO! based on what I read/saw.

This isn't universal manipulation imo.

Rage showed me Odin performing universal scale influence in the respect thread. Which I agree was. But this is not, imo. [/B]

Bump

So no one countered the lie that GDS Darkseid was. Amped above standard level, when he said with the combined power of multiple Skyfathers ( Mordru, Controller Time Trapper) was still explicitly INFERIOR to standard Darkseid eh? Lmaooo.

DS and Highfather are trans tier? DS and Izaya repaired the Source, each created trans tiers Takion and Stayne respectively, Alpha Force Scott Free beat Black Racer an avatar of Death easily on par with Hela. Odin has nothing in his existence superior to standard DS. Marvel fantards are hilarious as usual

Where is Operator now? Sun destroyed Mangog.

Sun>>>Odin, eh?

Originally posted by panthergod
So no one countered the lie that GDS Darkseid was. Amped above standard level, when he said with the combined power of multiple Skyfathers ( Mordru, Controller Time Trapper) was still explicitly INFERIOR to standard Darkseid eh? Lmaooo.

DS and Highfather are trans tier? DS and Izaya repaired the Source, each created trans tiers Takion and Stayne respectively, Alpha Force Scott Free beat Black Racer an avatar of Death easily on par with Hela. Odin has nothing in his existence superior to standard DS. Marvel fantards are hilarious as usual

Many have tried to counter it, but all of them failed just like you did by mentioning that horrible out of context scan. 👆

Yes they are trans tier. Although the new gods were mostly unaffected by the Crisis we were making a distinction between post and pre Darkseid for the purposes of this thread, so the feats you mentioned are irrelevant. The best pre-Crisis feat for Darkseid is imprisoning Infinity man and sealing that universe. Black racer (Except N52) isn't on par with Hela either.

"Marvel fantards" 😂 you're basically in the upper echelon of superman's dick riding bandwagon, so your comments don't really have much merit.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Where is Operator now? Sun destroyed Mangog.

Sun>>>Odin, eh?

So he acquired a low showing. Big deal. You act like this happened for the first time, you should know better than anyone that Odin has more than a dozen lows. After all, it's your area of expertise.

No pre crisis Doomsday or Odin?

Silver Age Odin would clear the field, in all seriousness.

Originally posted by operator616
Many have tried to counter it, but all of them failed just like you did by mentioning that horrible out of context scan. 👆

Regarding what?

Yes they are trans tier. Although the new gods were mostly unaffected by the Crisis we were making a distinction between post and pre Darkseid for the purposes of this thread, so the feats you mentioned are irrelevant. The best pre-Crisis feat for Darkseid is imprisoning Infinity man and sealing that universe. Black racer (Except N52) isn't on par with Hela either.

If new gods like Darkseid are trans tier, Odin will be herald tier.

Prove Hela is remotely as impressive as Black Racer who was one of the faces of true Death alongside Nekron and Death of Endless.

"Marvel fantards" 😂 you're basically in the upper echelon of superman's dick riding bandwagon, so your comments don't really have much merit.

You ride marvel skyfather dick, so shouldn't talk about dick riding.

So he acquired a low showing. Big deal. You act like this happened for the first time, you should know better than anyone that Odin has more than a dozen lows. After all, it's your area of expertise.

No, tell me how Mangog is more powerful than Validus and Odin is more powerful than Darkseid.

Or Grandmaster is more powerful than DC skyfathers.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Regarding what?

If new gods like Darkseid are trans tier, Odin will be herald tier.

That Darkseid was amped in GDS.

Yes, you've made your opinion quite clear on the matter. Needless to say, i disagree.

Originally posted by abhilegend

Prove Hela is remotely as impressive as Black Racer who was one of the faces of true Death alongside Nekron and Death of Endless.
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Racer is an aspect of death as much as hela is. Which is to say, death to a particular pantheon (Racer to new gods, Hela to asgardians). Let's not compare them to the true abstracts shall we? I know he's been stated to be one of three aspects but it's outright false.

And he seems to be unable to do his job properly. He failed to claim Fastback, for instance.

https://imgur.com/a/U7BXgv5

In another case, he failed to claim lightray too, who evaded him and eventually was bfr'd by Metron.

Hela has casually owned Thor, stalemated pluto, was superior to Kurse (in their 2nd encounter), a Hela/Mephisto battle was stated to cause potentially omniversal armageddon (most likely hyperbole, but the point still stands she can match mephisto), she also at one point manipulated mjolnir iirc (few have replicated such a feat). I know Hela has been unimpressive at times, but at least she has some cool feats unlike black racer.

Originally posted by abhilegend

You ride marvel skyfather dick, so shouldn't talk about dick riding.

This wasn't directed at you so why are you responding? Anyway, i can show you where i have always debated against Zeus, constantly reminding people that he's not as impressive as some think. Odin is a different matter since he actually has impressive showings. I give credit where credit is due.

Originally posted by abhilegend

No, tell me how Mangog is more powerful than Validus and Odin is more powerful than Darkseid.

Or Grandmaster is more powerful than DC skyfathers.

The answer to all your questions lie in this thread.

Full power Odin sweeps the field. Nothing's changed.

Also, abhil just bumped a 4 year old thread boasting about a comic that was just recently posted. The level of petty idiocy that takes would make Luthor proud.

"Remember when you made me look like a trolling dumbass 4 years ago? Well here's something that happened last week that by even mentioning solidfies my stupidity."

@operator In context, Odin doesn't have a low showing. No one does. Only Mangog and Mjolnir in the last few pages of Thor #706 when they were destroyed by the Sun. Everything else was standard fair. Mangog was stated to be more powerful than Phoenix, the Destroyer, Odin and Sh'iar Gods.

All four of those accumulated feats throughout the run that gives us an idea that their ranking has not changed really. Even Odin who hasn't done much, we can compare to King Thor billions of years into the future.

Op, GDS wasn't amped. He was weakened.

All those relics were to get him back to par, and they still weren't enough.

I think it's because he was stated to be fully stated before he completed his accumulating of power. He absorbed Mordru and what's his face after becoming full. He also demonstrated abilities beyond the standard fare after this. That's a reasonable assumption based on that evidence.

Originally posted by cdtm
Op, GDS wasn't amped. He was weakened.

All those relics were to get him back to par, and they still weren't enough.

Curious, did you read the thread? You act like i didn't address this. When he absorbed the relics he himself outright stated that he was "fulfilled", what does that tell you? And after that, he absorbed mordru and TT (revealed controller later on) powers. So he was most definitely amped. Hell, Mordru by himself is more powerful than standard Darkseid...

But that's not even the crux of the problem. Answer me this:

1. If you read the original New Gods comics, you'd know that the New Genesis/Apokolips war started specifically when boom tube (space warps) technology was developed to transport the warriors back and forth. So if Darkseid (who in GDS, suddenly started showcasing space warp abilities) was able to create space warps from the start it would contradict the entire New Gods history. Good luck with that.

2. Another thing with classic NG comics is that Darkseid was after the anti life equation, which was hidden inside the minds of 6 humans. If Darkseid could mind rape entire planets instantly (like he did in GDS to Daxam), why couldn't he do it to humans and extract the ALE instantly? Like for christ's sake, he was using machines to delve into human minds, and yet in GDS he was mind raping populations, as if that alone doesn't outright scream aaaaaaamp.

Go ahead and answer those inconsistencies.

GDS Darkseid specifically states he is inferior to his modern era levels. No amount of whining changes that.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Full power Odin sweeps the field. Nothing's changed.

Also, abhil just bumped a 4 year old thread boasting about a comic that was just recently posted. The level of petty idiocy that takes would make Luthor proud.

"Remember when you made me look like a trolling dumbass 4 years ago? Well here's something that happened last week that by even mentioning solidfies my stupidity."

@operator In context, Odin doesn't have a low showing. No one does. Only Mangog and Mjolnir in the last few pages of Thor #706 when they were destroyed by the Sun. Everything else was standard fair. Mangog was stated to be more powerful than Phoenix, the Destroyer, Odin and Sh'iar Gods.

All four of those accumulated feats throughout the run that gives us an idea that their ranking has not changed really. Even Odin who hasn't done much, we can compare to King Thor billions of years into the future.

Sun>>Odin on panel to the laughable space cheese fetishists. No getting around this fact.

Originally posted by operator616
That Darkseid was amped in GDS.

Yes, you've made your opinion quite clear on the matter. Needless to say, i disagree.

He wasn't. You lied, get over it.

Racer is an aspect of death as much as hela is. Which is to say, death to a particular pantheon (Racer to new gods, Hela to asgardians). Let's not compare them to the true abstracts shall we? I know he's been stated to be one of three aspects but it's outright false.

Where is Hela shown to be aspect of abstract Death.

Where is it shown to be false?

And he seems to be unable to do his job properly. He failed to claim Fastback, for instance.

https://imgur.com/a/U7BXgv5

In another case, he failed to claim lightray too, who evaded him and eventually was bfr'd by Metron.

Right because two of the fastest new gods running away from him is supposed to show how weak he is.

How about Thor absolutely trouncing Hela like the whore she is?

Hela has casually owned Thor, stalemated pluto, was superior to Kurse (in their 2nd encounter), a Hela/Mephisto battle was stated to cause potentially omniversal armageddon (most likely hyperbole, but the point still stands she can match mephisto), she also at one point manipulated mjolnir iirc (few have replicated such a feat). I know Hela has been unimpressive at times, but at least she has some cool feats unlike black racer.

Racer has no sold Superman, enveloped entire universes in his shadow and killed multiversal Darkseid.

Hela is nothing compared to Black Racer.

This wasn't directed at you so why are you responding? Anyway, i can show you where i have always debated against Zeus, constantly reminding people that he's not as impressive as some think. Odin is a different matter since he actually has impressive showings. I give credit where credit is due.

No, you just ride Odin to no end. It's amusing to say in the least.

The answer to all your questions lie in this thread.

Uh-huh. Sun>Mangog and mjolnir. Where is galaxy level Odin now?

Originally posted by operator616
Curious, did you read the thread? You act like i didn't address this. When he absorbed the relics he himself outright stated that he was "fulfilled", what does that tell you? And after that, he absorbed mordru and TT (revealed controller later on) powers. So he was most definitely amped. Hell, Mordru by himself is more powerful than standard Darkseid...

He was sated temporarily but later realized he was less powerful than his peak.

Nothing inconsistent about that.

But that's not even the crux of the problem. Answer me this:

1. If you read the original New Gods comics, you'd know that the New Genesis/Apokolips war started specifically when boom tube (space warps) technology was developed to transport the warriors back and forth. So if Darkseid (who in GDS, suddenly started showcasing space warp abilities) was able to create space warps from the start it would contradict the entire New Gods history. Good luck with that.

Right, because Darkseid never showed that power later.

His powers were vague enough at that point where adding new powers was no more inconsistent than Odin randomly losing to space ants.

2. Another thing with classic NG comics is that Darkseid was after the anti life equation, which was hidden inside the minds of 6 humans. If Darkseid could mind rape entire planets instantly (like he did in GDS to Daxam), why couldn't he do it to humans and extract the ALE instantly? Like for christ's sake, he was using machines to delve into human minds, and yet in GDS he was mind raping populations, as if that alone doesn't outright scream aaaaaaamp.

Go ahead and answer those inconsistencies.

Answered in DOTNG as ALE makes you immune to such mind control.

Any more whining?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Full power Odin sweeps the field. Nothing's changed.

Like he did to Jane Thor? Validus oneshots Odin at this point.

Also, abhil just bumped a 4 year old thread boasting about a comic that was just recently posted. The level of petty idiocy that takes would make Luthor proud.

"Remember when you made me look like a trolling dumbass 4 years ago? Well here's something that happened last week that by even mentioning solidfies my stupidity."

Right, cheerleading now. Good look for you.

@operator In context, Odin doesn't have a low showing. No one does. Only Mangog and Mjolnir in the last few pages of Thor #706 when they were destroyed by the Sun. Everything else was standard fair. Mangog was stated to be more powerful than Phoenix, the Destroyer, Odin and Sh'iar Gods.

All four of those accumulated feats throughout the run that gives us an idea that their ranking has not changed really. Even Odin who hasn't done much, we can compare to King Thor billions of years into the future.

😂

Odin cowered against Mangog like the ***** he is and got beat to a bloody pulp and it's not a low showing?

This idiot is lso ignoring that DS absorbed multiple pantheons worth of power. But he's trans tier. Marvel Fantards continue to be entertaining clowns though.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Like he did to Jane Thor? Validus oneshots Odin at this point.

Right, cheerleading now. Good look for you.

😂

Odin cowered against Mangog like the ***** he is and got beat to a bloody pulp and it's not a low showing?

A weakened Odin going h2h would lose against PC Validus.

Dude, you bumped a 4 year thread over a showing with a large asterisk. You're pettier than a teenage girl.

Originally posted by panthergod
This idiot is lso ignoring that DS absorbed multiple pantheons worth of power. But he's trans tier. Marvel Fantards continue to be entertaining clowns though.

This is an interesting comment. It implies that absorbing the power of a pantheon is by definition Skyfather level (In the classic power level terms instead of status).

It also implies how much power you can absorb, is indicative of your power level, despite your base level?

I just want to clarify what your views are, so please, elaborate.