H/P Doomsday, Pre-Crisis Solomon Grundy, & Pre-Crisis Validus vs Gorr, WBH, & Odin

Originally posted by abhilegend
He wasn't. You lied, get over it.

You were talking out of your ass as usual. Get over it.

Originally posted by abhilegend

Where is Hela shown to be aspect of abstract Death.

Where is it shown to be false?

Right because two of the fastest new gods running away from him is supposed to show how weak he is.

She is the asgardian goddess of death and claims all the 9 realm's inhabitants when they die. That's equivalent to racer's role as being death of the new gods.

Are you seriously trying to suggest that racer is abstract level?

A guy who can't catch sub-flash feebs and gets bfr'd by metron, not to mention swatted away like a fly by Darkseid is... abstract level? 😂 you're quite something aren't you.

Originally posted by abhilegend

Racer has no sold Superman, enveloped entire universes in his shadow and killed multiversal Darkseid.

Hela is nothing compared to Black Racer.

Enveloped universes? What in god's name are you talking about? Eagerly awaiting what out of context scans you have cooked up this time around.

Originally posted by abhilegend

No, you just ride Odin to no end. It's amusing to say in the least.

Uh-huh. Sun>Mangog and mjolnir. Where is galaxy level Odin now?

Im not the one who bumped a 4 year old thread cause i was butthurt.

It's still better than being threatened by moonrider's megaton touch though.

Originally posted by abhilegend
He was sated temporarily but later realized he was less powerful than his peak.

Nothing inconsistent about that.

You're misinterpreting again. All he did was state that his power has waned over the millennium, which we already knew. You went all gaga over it and thought that he's currently still not at full power. It's clear to anyone who's actually read the arc what he's referring to. And to ignore it is not only ignoring the plot of the arc, but downright being clueless on Darkseid's previously established powerset.

Originally posted by abhilegend

Right, because Darkseid never showed that power later.

His powers were vague enough at that point where adding new powers was no more inconsistent than Odin randomly losing to space ants.

They weren't vague at all. He couldn't open space warps, that much was established clearly. space warp/boom tube tech was the turning point in the new genesis/apokolips war, but i guess Darkseid had that ability all along but didn't use it for no reason whatsoever.

Originally posted by abhilegend

Answered in DOTNG as ALE makes you immune to such mind control.

Any more whining?

Goodness gracious. facepalm

Referencing a comic which came out 25 years later? You realize that the ALE and its power applications changed over the years? Back then, Darkseid was literally looking for a mathematical equation inside the morals' heads, you know that right?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus

This is an interesting comment. It implies that absorbing the power of a pantheon is by definition Skyfather level (In the classic power level terms instead of status).

It also implies how much power you can absorb, is indicative of your power level, despite your base level?

I just want to clarify what your views are, so please, elaborate.

It's not interesting at all, it's downright buffoonish. But i won't respond to him since the guy is literally a spambot. He literally doesn't understand. Despite the thread revolving around pre-Crisis Darkseid the guy literally just goes babbling about post-Crisis Darkseid. Why? Probably because he doesn't know anything about PC Darkseid but will defend him nonetheless because of dat superman bandwagon i was talking about.

Pre Crisis DS is Post Crisis DS as you well know...early DS being less developed in relative power than he later became under writers other than Kirby doesn't mean his showing dont count you desperate troll. GDS DS<Modern DS per his own words. Period. Anything contradicting that fact from you is a deliberate lie. And anyway, he was doing shit like stomping above top tier/trans tiers like Mantis w/GL power, Infinity Man, etc. Pre Crisis DC defines him as a peer to TT and Trigon, Skyfather level beings like Mordru and a Guardian equal controller/Time Trapper power together are far. inferior to a standard Darkseid, and there is NOTHING you can do about it. Guess what idiot: comic characters can have more impressive relative showings as times go on. *gasp*. Run. From your lies being dismantled like the coward you are operator.

On a aside: During Chaos War, the God Thor faced had the power of multiple pantheons. Thor absorbed, redirected and channeled his attack back, destroying him. The author directly compared him to if Zeus had absorbed multiple pantheons IIRC and was insane.

After Thor #300, Thor absorbed and stored a portion of multiple pantheons to resurrect Asgard.

Where would you rank a high-end Thor with Mjolnir PG?

Originally posted by operator616
It's not interesting at all, it's downright buffoonish. But i won't respond to him since the guy is literally a spambot. He literally doesn't understand. Despite the thread revolving around pre-Crisis Darkseid the guy literally just goes babbling about post-Crisis Darkseid. Why? Probably because he doesn't know anything about PC Darkseid but will defend him nonetheless because of dat superman bandwagon i was talking about.

Originally posted by operator616
You were talking out of your ass as usual. Get over it.

Right, remember when you tried to argue Grandmaster created squadron sinister out of his own power?

She is the asgardian goddess of death and claims all the 9 realm's inhabitants when they die. That's equivalent to racer's role as being death of the new gods.

Except Racer is also Death for speedsters and is canonical aspect of abstract death unlike puny Hela.

She isn't even death goddess of Earth and has to share it with other death gods.

Are you seriously trying to suggest that racer is abstract level?

That's what DC comics showed. Who am I to argue with that?

It's cemented in New 52 after all.

A guy who can't catch sub-flash feebs and gets bfr'd by metron, not to mention swatted away like a fly by Darkseid is... abstract level? 😂 you're quite something aren't you.

Except Black Racer almost caught Flashes themselves and destroyed a whole universe.

What did Hela do? Hyperbole from Mephisto?

Enveloped universes? What in god's name are you talking about? Eagerly awaiting what out of context scans you have cooked up this time around.

JLA Rock of Ages. It's somewhat popular you know.

Im not the one who bumped a 4 year old thread cause i was butthurt.

Oh I was just bored.

It's still better than being threatened by moonrider's megaton touch though.

Or getting koed by Enchantress.

You're misinterpreting again. All he did was state that his power has waned over the millennium, which we already knew. You went all gaga over it and thought that he's currently still not at full power. It's clear to anyone who's actually read the arc what he's referring to. And to ignore it is not only ignoring the plot of the arc, but downright being clueless on Darkseid's previously established powerset.

He stated that his powers had waned over millenia thus what he thought as getting at full power was not him at full power.

What about that is not understandable for you?

They weren't vague at all. He couldn't open space warps, that much was established clearly. space warp/boom tube tech was the turning point in the new genesis/apokolips war, but i guess Darkseid had that ability all along but didn't use it for no reason whatsoever.

You can think whatever you want. Powers getting waned over millenia means Darkseid gets more powerful or got new powers.

Only from you.

Goodness gracious. facepalm

Referencing a comic which came out 25 years later? You realize that the ALE and its power applications changed over the years? Back then, Darkseid was literally looking for a mathematical equation inside the morals' heads, you know that right?

Yes, it's a retcon. Get over it.

It answers why Darkseid couldn't just mindrape his way to ALE. Now whine some more.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
On a aside: During Chaos War, the God Thor faced had the power of multiple pantheons. Thor absorbed, redirected and channeled his attack back, destroying him. The author directly compared him to if Zeus had absorbed multiple pantheons IIRC and was insane.

After Thor #300, Thor absorbed and stored a portion of multiple pantheons to resurrect Asgard.

Where would you rank a high-end Thor with Mjolnir PG?

a WM (or high end) PG Thor was stated to be a threat to a good portion of eternity/infinity. And he was getting more powerful by the second. He seemed to be in the high trans tier range. Potentially more given enough time. He was still below skyfather level since odin easily broke out of a force field similar to which thor was trapped in.

Only looked similar. Thanos trapped Thor with an experimental suspended animation gun, Odins was more like a standard force field..

Odin specifically says that the attack might have worked on his son, but not on him.

I dk what would be more impressive, breaking the block of force or a Thanos force field? His technology is really impressive.

"I'm not often called to cast my shadow across entire creation".

"In the game of the Gods, creation itself is playing field".

These are the gods of the multiverse, not puny asgardians.

Pro-tip Abhilgened: Hela was treated as the embodiment of death across the entire Universe at one point.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Pro-tip Abhilgened: Hela was treated as the embodiment of death across the entire Universe at one point.

New Gods are the gods of the multiverse, they reside over the entire multiverse itself.

Originally posted by panthergod
Pre Crisis DS is Post Crisis DS as you well know...early DS being less developed in relative power than he later became under writers other than Kirby doesn't mean his showing dont count you desperate troll. GDS DS<Modern DS per his own words. Period. Anything contradicting that fact from you is a deliberate lie. And anyway, he was doing shit like stomping above top tier/trans tiers like Mantis w/GL power, Infinity Man, etc. Pre Crisis DC defines him as a peer to TT and Trigon, Skyfather level beings like Mordru and a Guardian equal controller/Time Trapper power together are far. inferior to a standard Darkseid, and there is NOTHING you can do about it. Guess what idiot: comic characters can have more impressive relative showings as times go on. *gasp*. Run. From your lies being dismantled like the coward you are operator.

I waited till you finished your rant with your editing. Are you done now? Talking to you reminds me of this scene:

YouTube video

Replace yourself with yondu and you'll get an idea how foolish you look. So by all means, go on --- keep educating us on post-Crisis Darkseid, please. Even though our discussion has nothing to do with it.

Originally posted by abhilegend

"I'm not often called to cast my shadow across entire creation".

"In the game of the Gods, creation itself is playing field".

These are the gods of the multiverse, not puny asgardians.

😆 What in the actual fuk is this? You have got to be kidding me with this nonsense.

Just so we're clear. Abhi's quote:

Originally posted by abhilegend
enveloped entire universes in his shadow

Implies... that Racer has some kind of huge universal feat. And what's the proof for this? A goddamn metaphor saying "i am not often calling to cast my shadow across all of creation". 😂

Abhi, are you really that illiterate that you can't detect a metaphor? Holy shit, you've hit a whole new low.

😂

Originally posted by operator616
. So by all means, go on --- keep educating us on post-Crisis Darkseid, please. Even though our discussion has nothing to do with it.

ow.

..so you're still too stupid to comprehend Pre Crisis Darkseids feats/portrayals specifically cited in order to avoid the subject at hand..? Pre or Post Crisis, he's Absolutely far above trans tier, and you running like a coward from facts you cannot refute confirms that.

DC says Pre-Crisis Darkseid is absolutely Time Trapper- Trigon class. Period Continue to lie about comics though, son.

... Death of all creation is under his function.

Illiterate:just a metaphor! Uh..New Gods under Morrison ARE living metaphors idiot. Manifestation of abstract concepts. That's the point. Orions death in Final Crisis destroys the heroic fighting spirit.

Lol I remember reading that and going wha??

Originally posted by panthergod
... Death of all creation is under his function.

Illiterate:just a metaphor! Uh..New Gods under Morrison ARE living metaphors idiot. Manifestation of abstract concepts. That's the point. Orions death in Final Crisis destroys the heroic fighting spirit.

Abhilegend made a claim that specified a much greater showing than a metaphorical quote.

Asgardian's are physical manifestations of stories and blah blah metaphysical bullshit under Gillen, Fraction etc.

That concept was in play under Aaron's first arc as well.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Abhilegend made a claim that specified a much greater showing than a metaphorical quote.

Asgardian's are physical manifestations of stories and blah blah metaphysical bullshit under Gillen, Fraction etc.

That concept was in play under Aaron's first arc as well.

Yeah.. No different than the Earth gods in DC.

New Gods are multiversal.