Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Odin specifically says that the attack might have worked on his son, but not on him.I dk what would be more impressive, breaking the block of force or a Thanos force field? His technology is really impressive.
Odin said that.
Not exactly an expert on Thanos tech. Never saw the gun, saw Thor in a cube, Thanos put him in a cube.. An understandable assumption.
If he was hit with the gun, maybe he'd be as helpless as Thor.
Originally posted by cdtm
Odin said that.Not exactly an expert on Thanos tech. Never saw the gun, saw Thor in a cube, Thanos put him in a cube.. An understandable assumption.
If he was hit with the gun, maybe he'd be as helpless as Thor.
Thor and Odin being subjected to the same force, as STATED, is a very straight forward and easy conclusion. Assuming that we should ignore what Odin said, assume he was incorrect, and even assume that Thanos' force field tech (Which has never looked that way) looked exactly like the block of force that encased Thor, requires a lot of moving parts outside of the comic that is not supported by anything.
But this is irrelevant, Thanos was the one who actually said it was a block of pure force:
https://imgur.com/gallery/lcdbs
/discussion
Originally posted by panthergod
..so you're still too stupid to comprehend Pre Crisis Darkseids feats/portrayals specifically cited in order to avoid the subject at hand..? Pre or Post Crisis, he's Absolutely far above trans tier, and you running like a coward from facts you cannot refute confirms that.DC says Pre-Crisis Darkseid is absolutely Time Trapper- Trigon class. Period Continue to lie about comics though, son.
Oh yeah, im shaking in my boots. If there's anything im running from it's your red herrings, non-sequiturs, and outright half-arsed arguments which i already addressed four years ago.
But you want to have a real debate panthergod? Fine. Let's analyze this in details.
In Forever People vol. 1, Darkseid's only notable achievement is imprisoning Infinity man. He also managed to bfr the forever people but unfortunately he got threatened by moonrider's megaton touch, by his own admission:
http://i.imgur.com/Sv4RA1n.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/AGrpKUL.jpg
In Mister Miracle vol. 1 Darkseid never did anything impressive that i recall of.
Then we have, New Gods vol. 1, ah that's where all the goodies come in. We learn of the New genesis/Apokolips war and how Darkseid desperately needed the boom tube space warp technology for his army:
But Darkseid has the ability to create space warps!!! Right? 🙄
Darkseid had a few highlights in the series, like killing/resurrecting Desaad with OB, resurrecting one of the deep six, empowering beldam with a fraction of his power who handles orion, but the series (and really, the other NG comics too) revolved around Darkseid trying to obtain the ALE from the minds of 6 earth individuals. Here, look at good ol' darkseid using desaad's mind probe tech to delve into a regular human's mind:
And yet you're trying to convince me that Darkseid can mindrape entire populations? 😂
....but it gets better and better for Darkseid. Even when he obtains the full ALE, he confronts HF, who was completely drained. This is the HF he is facing:
And yet, this powerless HF and orion manage to defeat Darkseid with the ALE in Adventure Comics #460, and Darkseid gets vaporized into oblivion by desaad's uni-cannon to boot.
http://i.imgur.com/3l8qRbG.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/CUJrvjW.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/ARjVYt5.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/DcsQfnM.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Bfft3dH.jpg
In Super Society of Super-Villains, Darkseid had a good showing against GL Mantis and black racer, but nothing skyfather-level.
He then resurfaced in a JLA story where he got punked by Firestorm and destroyed by the re-creation machine:
https://imgur.com/tFjhPzy
https://imgur.com/TOyPiGq
https://imgur.com/tv3qjfM
in that same story, Fiddler mindraped your entire precious new genesis population:
How powerful is fiddler? Well, golden age Jay resisted his mind shenanigans back in the early All flash comics, pre-crisis. And in barry's pre-Crisis title once, then also in wally's post-Crisis series and in another one-shot post-Crisis issue since you like bringing post-Crisis so much.
Let's no even mention Hunger Dogs, although it's non-canon for post-Crisis new gods, it's canon for pre-Crisis new gods, if we're making the pre and post distinction. Darkseid was running away from a rebellion in Apokolips in that story.
Regarding GDS:
Must i repeat the fact that he said "i am fulfilled" when he absorbed the orb (he also previously absorbed Excalibur):
http://i.imgur.com/VHWy56Y.jpg?1
And the bio confirms that it's the necessary power level that he wanted.
http://i.imgur.com/IPMIBpA.jpg?1
Which can either be that he got his full power back or that he obtained even more than his full power. Either way, Darkseid was at least full power at that point. And after that he stole Mordru's powers:
http://i.imgur.com/iXAIYQO.jpg
And TT's (revealed to be a controller in Legionnaires 3):
http://i.imgur.com/yOJEwjg.jpg
You call that not amped?
the bios: in GDS, Darkseid amped himself to a point where he could become a TT level foe (not to mention that's a 1988 bio and TT later had more feats)
There's a similar statement in an '87 bio; which also states that he's a peer of Darkseid, but goes on to say that his personal abilities are not known:
http://i.imgur.com/o2LLkVG.jpg?1
They are classifying them on a threat-basis. And Darkseid was amped anyway
And that's it! im done. I mean, Darkseid is lucky to qualify as a trans-leveler, many of his showings are quite shitty and an average portrayal clearly has him far below GDS levels. You wanted a counter-argument, now you've got it. Your turn now.
Originally posted by panthergod
... Death of all creation is under his function.Illiterate:just a metaphor! Uh..New Gods under Morrison ARE living metaphors idiot. Manifestation of abstract concepts. That's the point. Orions death in Final Crisis destroys the heroic fighting spirit.
Babbling cluelessly again, i see?
You do realize he posted a scan from JLA Rock of Ages, right? Years before Final Crisis came out where Morrison retconned New Gods into metaphysical entities. Back in that arc, they were anything but. Batman fooled and KO'd metron, while ray palmer destroyed Darkseid's brain. So much for your "living metaphors". 😂
The only times post-Crisis new gods were portrayed as being god-like was in that Sh'vaa New Gods vol. 3 arc, in a supergirl arc where they appeared as giants but to a lesser extend, and in Mr Miracle's series. Apart from that, they've appeared as regular physical beings, until Final Crisis. Abhi's scan is horribly out of context. I mean try to be objective for a second and look at this shit:
Can you interpret the "i am not often called to cast my shadow across all creation" as literally encompassing the entire universe with his shadow? It is literally an insult to human intelligence to suggest something like that.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Thor and Odin being subjected to the same force, as STATED, is a very straight forward and easy conclusion. Assuming that we should ignore what Odin said, assume he was incorrect, and even assume that Thanos' force field tech (Which has never looked that way) looked exactly like the block of force that encased Thor, requires a lot of moving parts outside of the comic that is not supported by anything.But this is irrelevant, Thanos was the one who actually said it was a block of pure force:
https://imgur.com/gallery/lcdbs
/discussion
Except he didn't merely encase Thor in a pure block of force. He put him in suspended animation.
Something he clearly didn't even attempt on Odin.
...Which was because Thor was in a similar entrapment.
Originally posted by panthergod
Odin was always a tyrannical abusive nutjob since Lee/Kirby. That's the character.
...What? That doesn't even make sense. Odin was sometimes strict and harsh, mostly on Thor, but he always had an ulterior motive to benefit the greater good. He always put the sake of the Universe first before anything else, even himself and his son.
Your statement also implies a Monarchy is tyrannical. That's dumb and assumes democracy is somehow better. Jason Aaron's run and the War of the Realms definitively proves ironically, that the Nine Realms were WAY better off under Odin's rule. The council of Realms, like all other democratic councils, has ended in death, lack of movement, chaos, corruption and war.
I wish a writer of sufficient skill would address the applications and consequences of a mortal idea of democracy in the context of a higher power. I'd argue that without a supreme authority to answer to, chaos completely consumes everything. When the realms were in flux, and the LT died, look at what happened to the Cosmic Scene as well.
Originally posted by panthergod
Ok..? Does this change Odin getting beat up by Thor or something..?
That literally...never happened.
Originally posted by operator616
Oh yeah, im shaking in my boots. If there's anything im running from it's your red herrings, non-sequiturs, and outright half-arsed arguments which i already addressed four years ago.
Kid, I dont give a shit about your blatant lies, distortions, and illiterate interpretations.
But you want to have a real debate panthergod? Fine. Let's analyze this in details.In Forever People vol. 1, Darkseid's only notable achievement is imprisoning Infinity man. He also managed to bfr the forever people but unfortunately he got threatened by moonrider's megaton touch, by his own admission:
http://i.imgur.com/Sv4RA1n.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/AGrpKUL.jpg
Irrelevant, and circular logic. Infinity Man is absolutely Trans tier, and you concede Darkseid directly overpowered him.
You already LOST with that alone, you hilariously obtuse liar. 😂
In Mister Miracle vol. 1 Darkseid never did anything impressive that i recall of.Then we have, New Gods vol. 1, ah that's where all the goodies come in. We learn of the New genesis/Apokolips war and how Darkseid desperately needed the boom tube space warp technology for his army:
But Darkseid has the ability to create space warps!!! Right? 🙄
So.. irrelevant nonsense, then..?
Guess what idiot: modern Darkseid HAS innate Boon tube/Stargate creating powers. HOW he got that power-- in the DISTANT PAST-- BEFORE the modern era is IRRELEVANT you incredible dumbass. 😂
Darkseid had a few highlights in the series, like killing/resurrecting Desaad with OB, resurrecting one of the deep six, em--powering beldam with a fraction of his power who handles orion, but the series (and really, the other NG comics too) revolved around Darkseid trying to obtain the ALE from the minds of 6 earth individuals. Here, look at good ol' darkseid using desaad's mind probe tech to delve into a regular human's mind:And yet you're trying to convince me that Darkseid can mindrape entire populations? 😂
This nonsense has already been addressed but.. It's still irrelevant.
What later writers wrote about Darkseid's powerset and the ALE render this meaningless. You supposition and theories<< the comics.
....but it gets better and better for Darkseid. Even when he obtains the full ALE, he confronts HF, who was completely drained. This is the HF he is facing:And yet, this powerless HF and orion manage to defeat Darkseid with the ALE in Adventure Comics #460, and Darkseid gets vaporized into oblivion by desaad's uni-cannon to boot.
http://i.imgur.com/3l8qRbG.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/CUJrvjW.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/ARjVYt5.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/DcsQfnM.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Bfft3dH.jpg
That 'powerless' HF was superior to Orion by his own admission.. and also stated in the thrid scan that Darkseid was WEAKENED via his output against As highfather far above Orion by his own admission. Orion fought a weakened Darksied and.. knocked him backward into the barrier. Wow. A weakened Darkseid defintiely proves that a full power Darkseid is weak, ah dumbass? so your point is more proof of your illiteracy.
Next.
In Super Society of Super-Villains, Darkseid had a good showing against GL Mantis and black racer, but nothing skyfather-level.
Lol, because YOU say so..? :lol
Mantis+GL power= Transtier by definiton. Classic GL's had infinite power, Easily defeating trans tiers is absolutely Skyfather level. Black Racer is far above top tier. So thanks.
Your illiteracy is hilarious.
He then resurfaced in a JLA story where he got punked by Firestorm and destroyed by the re-creation machine:
https://imgur.com/tFjhPzy
https://imgur.com/TOyPiGq
https://imgur.com/tv3qjfM
And hold up, you claimed Orion 'beat Darksiedin that earlier story..? well look at what the story YOU just cited says about that:
Mr Miracle: "He(Orion" DIDNT Kill Darkseid.. NOT DIRECTLY! ... Orion DISTRACTED HIM with an Astro Force Blast.."
So Orion, who can break interton, couldnt do mroe than Distract a severely weakened Darkseid with a full killing Astro force blast.
You are a PROVEN LIAR.
in that same story, Fiddler mindraped your entire precious new genesis population:How powerful is fiddler? Well, golden age Jay resisted his mind shenanigans back in the early All flash comics, pre-crisis. And in barry's pre-Crisis title once, then also in wally's post-Crisis series and in another one-shot post-Crisis issue since you like bringing post-Crisis so much.
ok...? Am I supposed to care..? 😂
This is more irrleevant BS.
Let's no even mention Hunger Dogs, although it's non-canon for post-Crisis new gods, it's canon for pre-Crisis new gods, if we're making the pre and post distinction. Darkseid was running away from a rebellion in Apokolips in that story.
More irrelevant BS.
Regarding GDS:Must i repeat the fact that he said "i am fulfilled" when he absorbed the orb (he also previously absorbed Excalibur):
..Which mean he acheived his goal. Nothing more.
illiterate.
And the bio confirms that it's the necessary power level that he wanted.
Which can either be that he got his full power back or that he obtained even more than his full power.
uh.. WRONG. Darksied attaining his goal in no way means he acheived his prior power level, which he specifically stated that he didn't, liar. He specifically states that his power levels via those artifacts, Mordru and Ti mte Trapper are not equivalent to the power-level he had in the modern day. Period.
GDS Darkseid<<Modern Darkseid.
Period.
Either way, Darkseid was at least full power at that point.
And after that he stole Mordru's powers:http://i.imgur.com/iXAIYQO.jpg
And TT's (revealed to be a controller in Legionnaires 3):
http://i.imgur.com/yOJEwjg.jpg
You call that not amped?
GDS darkseid<<Modern Darkseid by his stated words, period. anything else is illiterate idiocy.
the bios: in GDS, Darkseid amped himself to a point where he could become a TT level foe (not to mention that's a 1988 bio and TT later had more feats)
There's a similar statement in an '87 bio; which also states that he's a peer of Darkseid, but goes on to say that his personal abilities are not known:http://i.imgur.com/o2LLkVG.jpg?1
They are classifying them on a threat-basis. And Darkseid was amped anyway
More lies.
Darkseid was time Trapepr class, period. He was also Trigon level, period.
not knowing a powerset does not mean they didnt know what power-level they meant him to be on fool.
Darkseid was TT's benchmark, as he was the most powerful mainstream Dc villain at that point.
And that's it! im done. I mean, Darkseid is lucky to qualify as a trans-leveler, many of his showings are quite shitty and an average portrayal clearly has him far below GDS levels. You wanted a counter-argument, now you've got it. Your turn now.
Yes, you Are Done.
Your argument is based on speculation and suppositions. Darkseid states his GDS level is inferior to his classic level a millenia prior. GDS DS<Modern DS.
Orion never defeated him in relative power, he DISTRACTED HIM despite him being severly weakened by defeating a far beyiond Orion level Highfather and blasting the barrier, and even then merely knocked him back into the barrier. DS being killed by the Uni cannon is NOT a low showing; that's Apokolips-level Tech which ALSO countered and protected the Fourth World from Anti-Monitor's destruction of the Multiverse in COIE-- you know, proving that Post Crisis Darkseid ABSOLUTELY IS the exact same character as Pre-Crisis Darkseid and shares all his feats
So we have:
Darksied beating trans tier Infinity Man
Darkseid casually tanking Mantis amped with the full power of Pre-Crisis GL ring,
Darkseid ONLY being harmed by Orion's interton shatterring, Utlra Boy clobbering, Astro Force after being severely drained, and then only being distracted at that..? oh, how 'weak'.
Darkseid ONLY being stunned by his OWN Omega Effect is somehow a low showing 😂
So you have nothing. You're a liar. You're an illiterate. and yes, you are absolutely DONE.
Originally posted by operator616
Babbling cluelessly again, i see?You do realize he posted a scan from JLA Rock of Ages, right? Years before Final Crisis came out where Morrison retconned New Gods into metaphysical entities. Back in that arc, they were anything but. Batman fooled and KO'd metron, while ray palmer destroyed Darkseid's brain. So much for your "living metaphors". 😂
Hey idiot, Morrison made clear that New God manifestations are celestial bodies they interact with lesser dimensional beings as he made clear in Final Crisis. Metron was addled by Darkseid's machinations when Batman fooled him.
retard.
The only times post-Crisis new gods were portrayed as being god-like was in that Sh'vaa New Gods vol. 3 arc, in a supergirl arc where they appeared as giants but to a lesser extend, and in Mr Miracle's series. Apart from that, they've appeared as regular physical beings, until Final Crisis. Abhi's scan is horribly out of context. I mean try to be objective for a second and look at this shit:
Another lie.
Actually, Kirby's protege Mark Evanier established that Orion, like all New Gods had a celestial/cosmic aspect beyond his standard manifestation in mortal realms:
Wrong again ignoramus.
Can you interpret the "i am not often called to cast my shadow across all creation" as literally encompassing the entire universe with his shadow? It is literally an insult to human intelligence to suggest something like that. [/B]
Hey you friggin nimcompoop, It just means the Death of the universe is under HIS jurisdictioon. He IS Multiversal Death via the Fourth World.
Originally posted by operator616😆 What in the actual fuk is this? You have got to be kidding me with this nonsense.
Just so we're clear. Abhi's quote:
Implies... that Racer has some kind of huge universal feat. And what's the proof for this? A goddamn metaphor saying "i am not often calling to cast my shadow across all of creation". 😂
Abhi, are you really that illiterate that you can't detect a metaphor? Holy shit, you've hit a whole new low.
How the **** is this a metaphor you ****ing goon?
Have you actually lost your mind?
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
...Which was because Thor was in a similar entrapment....What? That doesn't even make sense. Odin was sometimes strict and harsh, mostly on Thor, but he always had an ulterior motive to benefit the greater good. He always put the sake of the Universe first before anything else, even himself and his son.
Your statement also implies a Monarchy is tyrannical. That's dumb and assumes democracy is somehow better. Jason Aaron's run and the War of the Realms definitively proves ironically, that the Nine Realms were WAY better off under Odin's rule. The council of Realms, like all other democratic councils, has ended in death, lack of movement, chaos, corruption and war.
I wish a writer of sufficient skill would address the applications and consequences of a mortal idea of democracy in the context of a higher power. I'd argue that without a supreme authority to answer to, chaos completely consumes everything. When the realms were in flux, and the LT died, look at what happened to the Cosmic Scene as well.
Odin is a sadistic narcissist basket-case obsessed with demanding worship obedience and fealty. He's a fascistic nutcase who has inspired countless barbarian rape expeditions and human sacrifice rituals after all. He's tortured his son countless times in sickening 'tests' which simply demonstrate that he will never accept him. He's a nut-job tyrant with delusions of grandeur considering he's merely one of countless deities in the cosmos. Of course, being the myopic dictator he has always been, it makes sense that he is a being of utterly self absorbed insanity.
That literally...never happened. [/B]
It's happened at least twice now.. keep pretending otherwise though.. 😂
