THOR NO Hammer vs HULKS (read OP) · Comic Book 'Versus' Forum

Stoic Avenger

Originally posted by Enzeru
Did you choose to ignore valid statements once again in order to make your homeboy Hulk shine?
I stated that Thor has beaten Savage Hulk, a more powerful version of the Hulk more often than he has looked bad against Professor Hulk.

What valid statements? Did you forget that Thor does not have the hammer here? Did you also realize that the Merged hulk starts out at twice the power level as Savage Hulk? I'm not going to do the favorite thing here, but go on what happened on panel unlike what you do so often. Like I said this is just a gut feeling that you have because your opinion isn't supported by anything that's happened on panel.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
He might be thinking about Journey into mystery, but that is not Savage Hulk, that one is Gravage Hulk and incarnation between Grey Hulk and Savage Hulk

Probably, or it's just another one of his gut feelings.

carver9 Senior Member

Thor can beat Professor Hulk...they actually already fought and pretty much stalemated. Remember, Professor Hulk couldn't amp. The madder he gets, the closer he comes to reverting back go banner.

golem370 Senior Member

Wow Classic

riv6672 Senior Member

Originally posted by golem370
Wow Classic

Ha! Thor was Little John in Men in Tights and the dad on Good Luck Charlie!

Stoic Avenger

Originally posted by carver9
Thor can beat Professor Hulk...they actually already fought and pretty much stalemated. Remember, Professor Hulk couldn't amp. The madder he gets, the closer he comes to reverting back go banner.

Not understanding what you're saying here?

leonidas MWHAHAHAHA!

Originally posted by Stoic
Not at all. An enraged Thor would beat Hercules, and Herc is still pretty powerful.

wrong thread, but......only if herc wasn't likewise enraged. both have berzerker levels they can go to. enraged v enraged--i'd take herc for a majority. warrior mad v berzerker? no idea how that would go but it would be crazy to see....

and thor has ko'd hulk with lightning shots pretty easily on at least 2 occasions. if thor can use his lightning he would have a much better chance here. but he can't. he can still beat prof hulk, but i don't think he could do it for a majority. prof is still the stronger of the 2 imo and that version had some pretty great healing factor moments. can't see thor winning more than 4/10 vs prof, but each would be really long and really close.

krisblaze Senior Member

Given how well Thor's done against Savage and Gravage Hulk, I just don't see how the hell he's going down against Professor Hulk.

It's well documented that Thor puts on his retard-pants when fighting the Hulk (like everyone does), but come on 😛

Originally posted by Stoic
Not understanding what you're saying here?

He's saying that Professor Hulk is shit, which he was.

Stoic Avenger

Originally posted by krisblaze
Given how well Thor's done against Savage and Gravage Hulk, I just don't see how the hell he's going down against Professor Hulk.
It's well documented that Thor puts on his retard-pants when fighting the Hulk (like everyone does), but come on 😛
He's saying that Professor Hulk is shit, which he was.

He doesn't have the hammer though, and even with it he didn't win during their battle in the arctic. I think he stalemates against the Merged Hulk who was actually pretty powerful. So if he stalemated against the Merged Hulk with his hammer, how is he going to beat him without the hammer?

carver9 Senior Member

Originally posted by Stoic
Not understanding what you're saying here?

Fist fight between Thor and Professor Hulk. Professor Hulk then claims that he can't amp off rage because it will revert him back to Banner. There's evidence that Grey Hulk is more powerful.

carver9 Senior Member

Originally posted by leonidas
wrong thread, but......only if herc wasn't likewise enraged. both have berzerker levels they can go to. enraged v enraged--i'd take herc for a majority. warrior mad v berzerker? no idea how that would go but it would be crazy to see....
and thor has ko'd hulk with lightning shots pretty easily on at least 2 occasions. if thor can use his lightning he would have a much better chance here. but he can't. he can still beat prof hulk, but i don't think he could do it for a majority. prof is still the stronger of the 2 imo and that version had some pretty great healing factor moments. can't see thor winning more than 4/10 vs prof, but each would be really long and really close.

I only remember him dropping Hulk once and there are some instances where Hulk endured it. Even against a pissed Thor.

Enzeru Senior Member

Originally posted by Stoic
Like I said this is just a gut feeling that you have because your opinion isn't supported by anything that's happened on panel.

That's so funny, because it's coming from you, a guy who sees the Sentry smiling and thinks that's the perfect reason for the Sentry being stable minded, even though I've provided tons of context that have proven you otherwise.
So judging by that you go by what you want to be the case, while I go by what I know is the case.

And I know that Thor and Savage Hulk have been established as physical equals in the past, while Thor has lost most of the fights, because he is a stupid idiot. However that doesn't change the fact that Thor physically outmatches Professor Hulk.

I've read about most of the fights between Thor and Hulk, if not all of them. In my educated opinion Thor isn't losing to any version of the Hulk that is below Savage Hulk, judging by all the fights Thor has been in against not only Savage Hulk, but also more powerful versions of the Hulk like Mindless Hulk and Nul Hulk.

But to adress your point directly:

It doesn't matter if Thor and Savage Hulk stalemated. It feels like 90% of the comic book fights end in stalemates.
Sentry and Namor ended up in a stalemate, but does that mean that Namor is on Sentry's level now? Hell no.
Many battles are an annoyance to the writers, because they don't do much for the plot and on top of that having a character lose, upsets delusional fans like yourself, who then get all butthurt, because their favorite green goblin on steroids lost.

Savage Hulk > Thor > Professor Hulk ... with or without Mjolnir.

Stoic Avenger

Originally posted by leonidas
wrong thread, but......only if herc wasn't likewise enraged. both have berzerker levels they can go to. enraged v enraged--i'd take herc for a majority. warrior mad v berzerker? no idea how that would go but it would be crazy to see....
and thor has ko'd hulk with lightning shots pretty easily on at least 2 occasions. if thor can use his lightning he would have a much better chance here. but he can't. he can still beat prof hulk, but i don't think he could do it for a majority. prof is still the stronger of the 2 imo and that version had some pretty great healing factor moments. can't see thor winning more than 4/10 vs prof, but each would be really long and really close.

He hit the Merged Hulk a couple of times with the lighting, and it didn't put him down. If you're talking about the Savage Hulk I agree the lightning has put him down. What a lot of people aren't understanding is that the Savage Hulk is actually weaker than Merged Hulk with the ability to surpass the Merged Hulk given time. I would have actually placed the Savage hulk below Merged Hulk, because if they fought, and neither were willing to hold back, the Merged Hulk may KO Savage Hulk in the first couple of minutes in before he gained enough power to beat him, or turn the tables on him.

krisblaze Senior Member

Originally posted by Stoic
He doesn't have the hammer though, and even with it he didn't win during their battle in the arctic. I think he stalemates against the Merged Hulk who was actually pretty powerful. So if he stalemated against the Merged Hulk with his hammer, how is he going to beat him without the hammer?

I was talking about his hammerless fights.

The hammer's no good unless he's actually using it anyways.

Which is why half a retard would be enough to drain Hulk of gamma energy or just lightning him into oblivion.

Stoic Avenger

Originally posted by Enzeru
That's so funny, because it's coming from you, a guy who sees the Sentry smiling and thinks that's the perfect reason for the Sentry being stable minded, even though I've provided tons of context that have proven you otherwise.
So judging by that you go by what you want to be the case, while I go by what I know is the case.
And I know that Thor and Savage Hulk have been established as physical equals in the past, while Thor has lost most of the fights, because he is a stupid idiot. However that doesn't change the fact that Thor physically outmatches Professor Hulk.
[b]I've read about most of the fights between Thor and Hulk, if not all of them. In my educated opinion Thor isn't losing to any version of the Hulk that is below Savage Hulk, judging by all the fights Thor has been in against not only Savage Hulk, but also more powerful versions of the Hulk like Mindless Hulk and Nul Hulk.
But to adress your point directly:
It doesn't matter if Thor and Savage Hulk stalemated. It feels like 90% of the comic book fights end in stalemates.
Sentry and Namor ended up in a stalemate, but does that mean that Namor is on Sentry's level now? Hell no.
Many battles are an annoyance to the writers, because they don't do much for the plot and on top of that having a character lose, upsets delusional fans like yourself, who then get all butthurt, because their favorite green goblin on steroids lost.
Savage Hulk > Thor > Professor Hulk ... with or without Mjolnir. [/B]

In your educated guess? Again this is just another phrase for gut feeling. I never said anything about the Savage Hulk stalemating against Thor, I said that the Merged Hulk stalemated against Thor, and Thor had the hammer. Another thing that you failed to take into consideration was that Thor does not have his hammer here, and that the merged hulk starts out 2x greater than the Savage Hulk. Sentry has no place in this thread nor was he brought up except by you.

Stoic Avenger

Originally posted by krisblaze
I was talking about his hammerless fights.
The hammer's no good unless he's actually using it anyways.
Which is why half a retard would be enough to drain Hulk of gamma energy or just lightning him into oblivion.

He used other tactics aside from H2H with the Merged Hulk though. Draining takes time, and the Hulk is fast. This is something that is rarely ever spoken of, and people just automatically believe that Thor would have the precious time to accomplish a full energy drain against a guy capable of overtaking F-16 Aircraft. It's pretty difficult to pull off exotics when you have someone throwing punches at you. I'm not saying that this would be a 100% sure case, but many of the times that they have fought, Thor didn't have a whole lot of time to do some of the things that people say that he should have.

carver9 Senior Member

Thor has used his lightning against Hulk and Hulk still fought on. Don't know where people keep getting this "he doesn't use his powers" from.

leonidas MWHAHAHAHA!

Originally posted by Stoic
He hit the Merged Hulk a couple of times with the lighting, and it didn't put him down. If you're talking about the Savage Hulk I agree the lightning has put him down. What a lot of people aren't understanding is that the Savage Hulk is actually weaker than Merged Hulk with the ability to surpass the Merged Hulk given time. I would have actually placed the Savage hulk below Merged Hulk, because if they fought, and neither were willing to hold back, the Merged Hulk may KO Savage Hulk in the first couple of minutes in before he gained enough power to beat him, or turn the tables on him.

yeah, david's hulk had some really good feats. he is the one who chumped juggs, after all. even drax with the pg couldn't take him out and like i said, his healing factor was off the charts. that hulk never really got the respect he deserved. i loved that run.

krisblaze Senior Member

Using 1 lightningbolt is not using all of his powers.

When the alleged "warrior madness" Thor was fighting Maestro he hit him with a lightning bolt once. It brought Hulk to his knees and then Thor flew over to him. Brilliant. Not only did Hulk's idiot-writers get the WM thing wrong, but they more or less claimed that Thor's lightning was purely electrical, when it's also magical 😐 AND downplayed the power.

Gravage or Savage was knocked out by 1 lightningbolt to the head.

And these have been ordinary attacks, not the real hell he can summon.

Originally posted by Stoic
He used other tactics aside from H2H with the Merged Hulk though. Draining takes time, and the Hulk is fast. This is something that is rarely ever spoken of, and people just automatically believe that Thor would have the precious time to accomplish a full energy drain against a guy capable of overtaking F-16 Aircraft. It's pretty difficult to pull off exotics when you have someone throwing punches at you. I'm not saying that this would be a 100% sure case, but many of the times that they have fought, Thor didn't have a whole lot of time to do some of the things that people say that he should have.

During Kang's conquest of Earth his drain practically killed a guy that had been stomping the Avengers. It took him out in like 2 seconds and the effects of the drain was instanteneous 😐

carver9 Senior Member

Originally posted by krisblaze
Using 1 lightningbolt is not using all of his powers.
When the alleged "warrior madness" Thor was fighting Maestro he hit him with a lightning bolt once. It brought Hulk to his knees and then Thor flew over to him. Brilliant. Not only did Hulk's idiot-writers get the WM thing wrong, but they more or less claimed that Thor's lightning was purely electrical, when it's also magical 😐 AND downplayed the power.
Gravage or Savage was knocked out by 1 lightningbolt to the head.
And these have been ordinary attacks, not the real hell he can summon.
During Kang's conquest of Earth his drain practically killed a guy that had been stomping the Avengers. It took him out in like 2 seconds and the effects of the drain was instanteneous 😐

Hulk recovered in seconds after being hit by that blast. Glad you brought up that fight. Thor went Warrior Madness in that same fight and Hulk overpowered him with one hand.

krisblaze Senior Member

Originally posted by carver9
Hulk recovered in seconds after being hit by that blast. Glad you brought up that fight. Thor went Warrior Madness in that same fight and Hulk overpowered him with one hand.

Thor couldn't go Warrior Madness.

And the 'Warrior Madness' apparently passed 10 seconds after the fight.

Amazing insight, I expect nothing less.