How is it even being debated that Thor was in WM during that Marstro masquerade scene? If you'd read a single issue before or after, you'd know this wasn't the case.
As for this fight, it depends on Thor's mindset, if he's willing to fully, effectively utilize his power set, Mjolnir won't make much difference.
Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
How is it even being debated that Thor was in WM during that Marstro masquerade scene? If you'd read a single issue before or after, you'd know this wasn't the case.As for this fight, it depends on Thor's mindset, if he's willing to fully, effectively utilize his power set, Mjolnir won't make much difference.
So how far do you think he gets?
Originally posted by krisblaze
Energy drain doesn't have to be aimed. And Thor doesn't do it because it would [b]kill Banner.Given hammerless Thor's track-record against Savage and Gravage, and his hammerless track-record against anyone, he would beat Professor Hulk.
Who's pretending uhuh
I'm back ahah [/B]
Thor doesn't do it because writer's don't think about it.
Remember these characters don't exist. Come back to reality ok lol.
Why are people saying he stops at 2? We've already seen Thor and Professor Hulk fight. Fighting Thor pushed him to the brink, he almost revered to Banner.
He has a higher base strength then Savage (Elite class 100 when calm) so he can hang but to actually take on Thor evenly or beat him would make him too angry.
And the Hulk he fought in the arctic wasn't Professor Hulk (Technically he was Professor Hulk*) but an enraged/mindless Merged Hulk in the sense that he didn't have a strength/anger cap. They fought for hours, Hulk was super pissed and Samson even said he'd never seen Hulk that angry. I don't remember why he didn't revert to Banner anymore, had to do with him becoming Maestro or whatever (Which was I believe and act to an extent), IIRC it was the shrapnel in the brain.
Anyways, Thor stops at 3 unless he uses his weather powers. Beating Savage Hulk at super pissed levels would require a really good day for Thor or real hand to hand skills.
*Professor Hulk and Merged Hulk are the same incarnation, but people refer to Professor Hulk as weaker because he had the Banner limitation and could not amp infinitely like the Merged or Savage incarnation.
I thought Professor Hulk and merged are the same?
Anyways, Thor gets to 3. He can get past it if he uses his other powers (he's KO'd Hulk with lightning pretty easily before).
But in pure hand and hand, Thor isn't beating the Savage Hulk (who is probably the most durable version of a Hulk outside of Worldbreaker and Green Scar).
Merged Hulk beats Thor in h2h. He looked comfortably above Red Norvell (who was equal to Thor in every way and had actually beaten Thor in Thor 276) in strength and durability while calm and tore Glob apart when Savage Hulk couldn't do it. Combine that with his ridiculous HF and I don't think Thor can beat him h2h even with mjolnir.
And merged hulk IS Professor Hulk because Paul Jenkins retconned it. For most of the time like from Hulk 377 to Hulk 426, he was able to amp pretty much as savage hulk so I don't know why we are limiting it for a weakness that existed for only 12 issues aka Hulk 426 to Hulk 438?
This is Hulk's territory where his dynamic strength and healing factor play a huge part.
Still Thor is no slouch in the strength department. How far he gets I think depends entirely on which Thor shows up.
Will be brawler Thor like we always see against Hulk where he tries to fight Hulk in pure strength and trading blows in a good but ultimately futile fight.
Or will the seasoned warrior Thor show up that is willing to actually use his fighting skill to take it to Hulk like few in that weight class could.
Originally posted by Newjak👆
This is Hulk's territory where his dynamic strength and healing factor play a huge part.Still Thor is no slouch in the strength department. How far he gets I think depends entirely on which Thor shows up.
Will be brawler Thor like we always see against Hulk where he tries to fight Hulk in pure strength and trading blows in a good but ultimately futile fight.
Or will the seasoned warrior Thor show up that is willing to actually use his fighting skill to take it to Hulk like few in that weight class could.
Depends on his mindset really.. But on average he can reach or pass 3. It'd be really tough to beat the other iterations of Hulk beyond 3 without calling down lightning or amped lightning punches.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
👆Depends on his mindset really.. But on average he can reach or pass 3. It'd be really tough to beat the other iterations of Hulk beyond 3 without calling down lightning or amped lightning punches.
Now you're reaching. There is no hammer involved in this fight. I'm wondering how people are forgetting all of the fights that these two have had when Thor had the hammer, and was unable to defeat the Hulk. As it is they are about even with Thor having the hammer. So unless the hammer does squat for Thor, he would have a very hard time beating 2.
Originally posted by Stoic
Now you're reaching. There is no hammer involved in this fight. I'm wondering how people are forgetting all of the fights that these two have had when Thor had the hammer, and was unable to defeat the Hulk. As it is they are about even with Thor having the hammer. So unless the hammer does squat for Thor, he would have a very hard time beating 2.
He's used lightning without Mjolnir.
They're not 'about even' with Mjolnir.
Originally posted by krisblaze
He's used lightning without Mjolnir.They're not 'about even' with Mjolnir.
You seem to only want to cite the times that Thor has won, but discount the times that he has not won. He never defeated Merged Hulk, not once from what i can remember. He has beaten Savage Hulk though, and vice versa. This was with the hammer. Without it, the Hulk would have a sizable advantage, unless like I said before, the hammer is good for nothing. We both know that it isn't, and that it helps Thor a lot. The problem that you may not be seeing is that the Hulk isn't going to be just standing there waiting for Thor to call down lightning on his head. This is a fight, and even when he did call it down with the hammer, it didn't stop the Merged Hulk. Thor went into the fight weakened, but when did this weakness end? Was it stated when it ended? I recall it being written that he was in a weakened state, but it appeared as if it had worn off the moment that Thor became enraged.
Originally posted by Stoic
You seem to only want to cite the times that Thor has won, but discount the times that he has not won. He never defeated Merged Hulk, not once from what i can remember. He has beaten Savage Hulk though, and vice versa. This was with the hammer. Without it, the Hulk would have a sizable advantage, unless like I said before, the hammer is good for nothing. We both know that it isn't, and that it helps Thor a lot. The problem that you may not be seeing is that the Hulk isn't going to be just standing there waiting for Thor to call down lightning on his head. This is a fight, and even when he did call it down with the hammer, it didn't stop the Merged Hulk. Thor went into the fight weakened, but when did this weakness end? Was it stated when it ended? I recall it being written that he was in a weakened state, but it appeared as if it had worn off the moment that Thor became enraged.
I only cite the times that Thor has won? How many has won? Like half a time?
They haven't had many conclusive fights.
In their first fight Thor didn't use Mjolnir, and even had to protect. That was a stalemate.
The second only lasted 2 blows from each.
The third was a stalemate where Thor and Hulk held eachother in check for an hour.
The fourth ended with Thor turning into Blake because he was saving humans.
The fifth ended with them being interrupted.
The sixth was Thor winning with his hammer and losing without it.
The seventh was Thor without hammer and hulk in a stalemate.
The eight was 'warrior madness' Thor and Maestro hulk in a stalemate.
The ninth (arguably their third fight) had Thor knock Hulk out, and Hulk beat Thor when he caught him unawares.
In 9 of their fights, Thor used lightning 4 times. 2 in the last one, where he knocked out the Hulk. Once vs Maestro, and background lightning in their fifth.
This is clearly not the full extent of Thor's powers. Regardless of which is stronger, you can not claim that the Hulk has performed evenly against Mjolnir (why would he constantly try to get rid of it/gain control over it?). Nor can I say with any certainty that Thor has been defeating the Hulk.
What I can say, however, is that half a lightning bolt and 1/9th of a whirlwind is not the full extent of a man who can absorb and controls energy, control the weather and teleport.