THOR NO Hammer vs HULKS (read OP)

Started by HulkIsHulk8 pages

Originally posted by LGU
That isn't true at all. The "Professor" Hulk is just the name Paul Jenkins gave to the incarnation when he ret-conned the existence of the merged Hulk - the "Professor" moniker in no way implies the temporarily limited version.

As I just pointed out above, the "savage Banner" weakness was entirely temporary. Both before and after, the merged Hulk had absolutely no problem tapping the madder/stronger dynamic.

The merged Hulk's combat record is really very good, he gets underrated a lot - the only scene that seems to stick in people's minds is the end of the Onslaught saga for some reason.

He stalemated Thor and Abomination when he had the savage Banner weakness, suggesting his base strength is in the same ballpark as the elite class 100. He destroyed Blonsky in 3 panels flat when he was at his un-restricted levels. Wrecked the Glob easily (who was flat-out stated to be stronger than the savage Hulk) whilst explicitly noting that he himself was stronger than he ever used to be. Looked comprehensively stronger than Norvell, Thor's exact physical peer etc etc.

PAD went out of his way numerous times to state explicitly that the merged Hulk was stronger than the savage Hulk ever used to be, and frankly his combat record backs that up. He might not be able to hit the same peak highs as the savage Hulk, but on average he is easily as strong as him IMHO.

Thor might be able to win in hand to hand if his skill edge was played up, but I wouldn't bet on it. The merged Hulk is solidly stronger than Thor-level guys and was consistently portrayed as such.

Cheers.

Glob I loved that. During the Herb Trimpe era Hulk had a lot of stupid losses. Art is not everything. Prof Hulk beat up Glob so bad that his fright caused Man-Thing to attack Glob.
Against Norvell, didn't seem that stronger. Of course, he allowed Norvell a free shot and then casually grabbed the hammer in Incredible Hulk #422:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Durability/ProfessorHulkBlunt14422.jpg
(as you can see not by the handle) but not that stronger. And unlike what many say, he didn't reach his limit against Thor, he was struggling to control his temper.
And also, the Juggernaut pwnage in Incredible Hulk #404:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Strength/ProfessorHulkStrikingPower06404.jpgg
The part I hated about PAD's run was that he sacrificed the character power showing for character development, sure you need to have the latter, but you also need the former and it shouldn't be underplayed for the latter.
The part I loved was how at times he got back for underplaying Hulk against other characters
Like when Hulk finally got payback against Doc Ock or Havok
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20T-Z/HulkvsX-Factor07.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20T-Z/HulkvsX-Factor08392.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20T-Z/HulkvsX-Factor09.jpg
Though I agree with the rest of your statement
My view on the fight is, Thor takes 8/10 against Fixit, stalemates Prof Hulk (I like that moniker than Merged) and loses to the rest

Originally posted by HulkIsHulk
Glob I loved that. During the Herb Trimpe era Hulk had a lot of stupid losses. Art is not everything. Prof Hulk beat up Glob so bad that his fright caused Man-Thing to attack Glob.
Against Norvell, didn't seem that stronger. Of course, he allowed Norvell a free shot and then casually grabbed the hammer in Incredible Hulk #422:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Durability/ProfessorHulkBlunt14422.jpg
(as you can see not by the handle) but not that stronger. And unlike what many say, he didn't reach his limit against Thor, he was struggling to control his temper.
And also, the Juggernaut pwnage in Incredible Hulk #404:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Strength/ProfessorHulkStrikingPower06404.jpgg
The part I hated about PAD's run was that he sacrificed the character power showing for character development, sure you need to have the latter, but you also need the former and it shouldn't be underplayed for the latter.
The part I loved was how at times he got back for underplaying Hulk against other characters
Like when Hulk finally got payback against Doc Ock or Havok
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20T-Z/HulkvsX-Factor07.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20T-Z/HulkvsX-Factor08392.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20T-Z/HulkvsX-Factor09.jpg
Though I agree with the rest of your statement
My view on the fight is, Thor takes 8/10 against Fixit, stalemates Prof Hulk (I like that moniker than Merged) and loses to the rest

Disagree with every piece of this. By the way, that was Classic Juggernaut Merge Hulk two pieced.

Originally posted by carver9
Good post. With that said, Merge Hulk stomps. Question, wasn't that Savage Hulk that was fighting Onslaught?

At the end it was. It was the merged Hulk initially, and he stated that he couldn't get mad enough to take down Onslaught without Jean Grey psionically turning Banner (i.e. his rationality) "off." That scene seems to stick in a lot of people's minds and it suggests the merged Hulk is a lot weaker than the savage Hulk. At his extreme highs, that is true... but not at their typical fighting-mad levels.

Cheers.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
and...

He's dead.

Ow, now I feel bad. I said few weeks before to a poster that Sun God is going to die just for the lulz and now it happened

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
The funny thing is that Namor seemed to kill the MM analogue all by himself.

Even in another company, in another form, in an alternate universe Martian Manhunter can't catch a break.

Anyway:
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=22757


Ouch on both. If only MM fought people like he did against SBP, he'd be highly respected. Like he said "there's a reason why I am the last surviving martian".
But then Supes and Wondy would be mostly useless, so then have to get him out of the action somehow or the other

The Thor flight issue is Thor #164