Originally posted by Delta1938
I'll take that as a "No, I don't have any examples before the current trend."
To propel oneself forward means what to you? Jumping and running are the same thing, and the hulk has overtaken fighter aircraft. I'm going to take it as if you didn't see them as one and the same.
Originally posted by Stoic
To propel oneself forward means what to you? Jumping and running are the same thing, and the hulk has overtaken fighter aircraft. I'm going to take it as if you didn't see them as one and the same.
I know he can jump and send himself at fast speeds. But I've seen numerous examples of him not having great running speed before the current trend. The funny thing is General Ross and the other examples were posted by a Hulk fan in response to someone arguing Hulk MUST have super speed because he's fought Gladiator and others, and used the same logic you used that having super speed means Gladiator(and others) must have been fighting at super speed.
So, since you're giving reasons why Hulk SHOULD be able to run really fast instead of answering if you have any examples before the current trend, I'm going to take it as a "no."
Originally posted by Delta1938
I know he can jump and send himself at fast speeds. But I've seen numerous examples of him not having great running speed before the current trend. The funny thing is General Ross and the other examples were posted by a Hulk fan in response to someone arguing Hulk MUST have super speed because he's fought Gladiator and others, and used the same logic you used that having super speed means Gladiator(and others) must have been fighting at super speed.So, since you're giving reasons why Hulk SHOULD be able to run really fast instead of answering if you have any examples before the current trend, I'm going to take it as a "no."
Didn't I just give you an example of him running fast? What do you think jumping technically is? It isn't flying, it's running except that each gate is so powerful that he actually takes far less to get from one point to the other. Some writers have no clue when it comes to these things, and thus it can only be expected that things will change as people with brains take up the pen, and write about guys with super strength. Even Spider Man should be able to run as fast or faster than a Porche at full speed. But like I said, I gave you an example of the Hulk running very fast, if you don't see it don't blame me, I can't make you see things that you are unwilling to see.
I also don't care much for another persons opinion of things, because in the end they are either correct, or they aren't. The hulk was able to hit Quick Silver while he was using his super speed on him. This of course has nothing to do with the topic, and I'm wondering why you brought it up? Is Thor a typical speedster?
Hulk's running speed was really shit at times. Which made no sense as under the same writers, his jumping and explosive speed (Including reflexes) were all crazy fast.
How can you jump into orbit or faster than a rocket but not catch normal people in a foot race? 😐
But there were also times when he did display fast foot speed. I've seen him outrun a car and even missiles IIRC.
Like everything else about the Hulk, it could easily be explained away by his dynamic abilities.
Originally posted by Stoic
Didn't I just give you an example of him running fast? What do you think jumping technically is? It isn't flying, it's running except that each gate is so powerful that he actually takes far less to get from one point to the other. Some writers have no clue when it comes to these things, and thus it can only be expected that things will change as people with brains take up the pen, and write about guys with super strength. Even Spider Man should be able to run as fast or faster than a Porche at full speed. But like I said, I gave you an example of the Hulk running very fast, if you don't see it don't blame me, I can't make you see things that you are unwilling to see.I also don't care much for another persons opinion of things are, because in the end they are either correct, or they aren't. The hulk was able to hit Quick Silver while he was using his super speed on him. Thjs of course has nothing to do with the topic, and I'm wondering why you brought it up? Is Thor a typical speedster?
Was it an example of Hulk running, or jumping? Based on your follow-up, I'll guess jump, but you can clarify.
It doesn't matter what you argue about jumping if there aren't prior examples of him running really fast and in fact examples of him running about as fast as non-enhanced humans.
Yep, I've seen the fight with Quicksilver(if you mean the one I think you do). Not the best argument since it was more of eventually got a hit in instead of keeping-up speed-wise. Thor isn't a "typical speedster" if you mean actual speedsters like Quicksilver or Flash(as "speedster" normally refers to characters where speed is the primary or only power), but I have seen him operate at some degree of superhuman speed. He has used speed to his advantage against Hulk before(although didn't look to be going more than enhanced human speeds that I recall).
But my point was you were arguing Hulk's running speed, based entirely on leg strength. When I've failed see any examples before the current trend and have actually seen him fail to outrun a 50+ year old man.
Originally posted by Delta1938
Was it an example of Hulk running, or jumping? Based on your follow-up, I'll guess jump, but you can clarify.It doesn't matter what you argue about jumping if there aren't prior examples of him running really fast and in fact examples of him running about as fast as non-enhanced humans.
Yep, I've seen the fight with Quicksilver(if you mean the one I think you do). Not the best argument since it was more of eventually got a hit in instead of keeping-up speed-wise. Thor isn't a "typical speedster" if you mean actual speedsters like Quicksilver or Flash(as "speedster" normally refers to characters where speed is the primary or only power), but I have seen him operate at some degree of superhuman speed. He has used speed to his advantage against Hulk before(although didn't look to be going more than enhanced human speeds that I recall).
But my point was you were arguing Hulk's running speed, based entirely on leg strength. When I've failed see any examples before the current trend and have actually seen him fail to outrun a 50+ year old man.
The reason behind the current trend is because he could always run, and move incredibly fast. They did not remake the character, what they did was point out the obvious. I said that there were, and are writers that are poor at what they do. It should be obvious even to a 6 or 7 year old that if you possess super strength, and a physiques that would allow you to move fast, that you will be super fast. Guys like the thing for instance wouldn't be that fast because their bodies would not allow for them to move at those speeds but the Hulk is different. He has all of the attributes that are required to be able to move fast. There are some feats of his speed that are showcased in his respect section, and those are of the Savage Hulk. I'm a person with a one track mind though, and I do not believe that any of this has any thing at all to do with the topic. If you want to go and look at the respect section go ahead, but again it has nothing at all to do with the topic. Are you able to stay on topic, or should we talk about the Sentry, Gladiator, Quick Silver, the Flash, Ego, Galactus, Quasar, Swamp Thing? I'm really curious. Like I said I have a one track mind, and like to stay on topic.
Originally posted by Stoic
The reason behind the current trend is because he could always run, and move incredibly fast. They did not remake the character, what they did was point out the obvious. I said that there were, and are writers that are poor at what they do. It should be obvious even to a 6 or 7 year old that if you possess super strength, and a physiques that would allow you to move fast, that you will be super fast. Guys like the thing for instance wouldn't be that fast because their bodies would not allow for them to move at those speeds but the Hulk is different. He has all of the attributes that are required to be able to move fast. There are some feats of his speed that are showcased in his respect section, and those are of the Savage Hulk. I'm a person with a one track mind though, and I do not believe that any of this has any thing at all to do with the topic. If you want to go and look at the respect section go ahead, but again it has nothing at all to do with the topic. Are you able to stay on topic, or should we talk about the Sentry, Gladiator, Quick Silver, the Flash, Ego, Galactus, Quasar, Swamp Thing? I'm really curious. Like I said I have a one track mind, and like to stay on topic.
I pointed-out what I've seen in response to a specific thing you said, you've spent a lot of time and energy coming-up with reasons why that shouldn't be the case but haven't seemed to post anything contradicting it. I asked if there's any examples before the prior trend, and you haven't given me an actual answer or example(and if you did give an example, you didn't clarify it when asked).
It doesn't really matter if that's how things logically should work or not if the comics contradict it. I'm simply pointing how I've seen things, and you've gone out of your way to say they don't without actually giving an example, before saying this is off-topic.
Say Thor dont use his powers against Hulk because he has not time to react makes no sense.
Thor alredy summoned a lighting against Hercules when he was going to pass out. The only think he needs to summon a lighting is a tought. The only thing he needs to fly away from Hulk is a tough (and he can fly massively faster than light - in less than 1 second he can be in the Sun if he wants).
Even then, i cant really see Hulk being faster than Thor. But even if he is, how he can be so faster than Thor that he cant use his powers that are triggered by his mind ?
Thor just fight as dumb as possible against Hulk in comics because people want see then fighting, not a stomp. Even some writters said that, like Kieron Gillen in his formspring.
Originally posted by eaebiakuya
Say Thor dont use his powers against Hulk because he has not time to react makes no sense.Thor alredy summoned a lighting against Hercules when he was going to pass out. The only think he needs to summon a lighting is a tought. The only thing he needs to fly away from Hulk is a tough (and he can fly massively faster than light - in less than 1 second he can be in the Sun if he wants).
Even then, i cant really see Hulk being faster than Thor. But even if he is, how he can be so faster than Thor that he cant use his powers that are triggered by his mind ?
Thor just fight as dumb as possible against Hulk in comics because people want see then fighting, not a stomp. Even some writters said that, like Kieron Gillen in his formspring.
Show us Thor using speed attacks. Also, Thor fights the Hulk the same way he fought Ulik, Kurse, hell, he went fist cuff against Odin in the Destroyer armor that was beating him down. Went fist cuffs against Doom in the Destroyer armor. Tutinax, the list goes on and on. It's what he does and he is good at it.
Originally posted by eaebiakuya
Say Thor dont use his powers against Hulk because he has not time to react makes no sense.Thor alredy summoned a lighting against Hercules when he was going to pass out. The only think he needs to summon a lighting is a tought. The only thing he needs to fly away from Hulk is a tough (and he can fly massively faster than light - in less than 1 second he can be in the Sun if he wants).
Even then, i cant really see Hulk being faster than Thor. But even if he is, how he can be so faster than Thor that he cant use his powers that are triggered by his mind ?
Thor just fight as dumb as possible against Hulk in comics because people want see then fighting, not a stomp. Even some writters said that, like Kieron Gillen in his formspring.
Is there a scene that shows Thor flying faster than light without his hammer? For anyone feeling comedic enough to post DS Sentry tossing him, I'm not talking about that time, I'm talking about him flying under his own power.
It does not matter if he can call down lighting against the Hulk, he has done this against the Merged Hulk in their battle in the Arctic. This failed to keep him down. Thor also had his hammer during that battle. If Thor cleaned his clock the way he does with so many others I would say that he wins this without a doubt, but he didn't win that battle, he stalemated the Hulk, and he had his hammer. How does he do better than that without the hammer?
This should be easy for anyone. All of this talk about Thor not wanting to kill his opponent can be said of the Hulk as well. I don't see why they wouldn't stalemate here. Thor has better combat experience, while the Hulk is stronger. This was clearly the case when they fought in the Arctic, and again Thor had his hammer. What I see is that people want to make believe that Thor did better than he actually did. I'm not into this favorite crap. I call it as I see it, and if I thought that Thor would win, I'd say it without hesitation.
Originally posted by carver9
It temporarily hurt him but not enough for it to matter since he was at 100% afterwards. Good ft since he withstood an attack from a Thor that was in Warrior Madness.
How does this false warrior madness affect Thor's lightning? The real warrior madness did not.
Are you perhaps a troll spouting nonsense?
Originally posted by krisblaze
Prove that he was 100% after.How does this false warrior madness affect Thor's lightning? The real warrior madness did not.
Are you perhaps a troll spouting nonsense?
Here he gets hit by 'Warrior Madness Thor lightning that was stated as being Warrior Madness in this comic'.
http://s226.photobucket.com/user/HulkFights/media/Vs%20Thor/Fight%2012/7.jpg.html
Not even a panel pass and he was up fighting and was more powerful than he was before being hit by the lightning.
http://s226.photobucket.com/user/HulkFights/media/Vs%20Thor/Fight%2012/8.jpg.html
So what we have is Hulk getting right back up more powerful than ever after being hit by lightning.
How do we know he is more powerful? He overpowers Warrior Madness Thor with one freaking hand.
http://s226.photobucket.com/user/HulkFights/media/Vs%20Thor/Fight%2012/9.jpg.html
The next panel after this states "the words don't matter though, only POWER, STRENGTH". Then we see Hulk punching Thor across the state.
http://s226.photobucket.com/user/HulkFights/media-full/Vs%20Thor/Fight%2012/10.jpg.html
Lol...that lightning bolt did nothing to the Hulk but Piss him off.
Originally posted by krisblaze
The Arctic was one incident of lightning, which hurt Maestro Hulk.How does one incident of lightning hurting the Hulk somehow prove that he can't hurt the Hulk with it?
Maestro is the Hulk from Future Imperfect correct? How was Merged Hulk Maestro when he was only pretending to be Maestro Hulk? I asked you this before because I don't recall to full story as it has been years since i read the book. From what I know that was the Merged version of the Hulk.
You ask how does one incident affect things. Were there other times that he fought Thor? I am speaking of the Merged Hulk, and not the Savage Hulk right now. In that one battle they stalemated, saying anything other than that is a lie. Thor also had his hammer there, which he does not have in this scenario. How does he do better without the hammer? Would it make sense that he would do better without it, or is the hammer just a useless trinket? This is why I am saying that they would stalemate. I would also place the Merged hulk above Savage hulk for the simple fact that if they fought a serious non holding back fight (forum style)the Merged Hulk would beat his ass in less time than it would take for him to exceed his power levels.
So yes he does get to 3 if the Savage Hulk weren't, or didn't start out enraged as he is in the OP. Also has there been an instance where Thor has fought an enraged Savage Hulk and won without his hammer? Now if you get upset, and opt out of this topic, that's on you. Just don't forget that this is a public forum, and we all have our opinions on things.
Originally posted by Stoic
Maestro is the Hulk from Future Imperfect correct? How was Merged Hulk Maestro when he was only pretending to be Maestro Hulk? I asked you this before because I don't recall to full story as it has been years since i read the book. From what I know that was the Merged version of the Hulk.You ask how does one incident affect things. Were there other times that he fought Thor? I am speaking of the Merged Hulk, and not the Savage Hulk right now. In that one battle they stalemated, saying anything other than that is a lie. Thor also had his hammer there, which he does not have in this scenario. How does he do better without the hammer? Would it make sense that he would do better without it, or is the hammer just a useless trinket? This is why I am saying that they would stalemate. I would also place the Merged hulk above Savage hulk for the simple fact that if they fought a serious non holding back fight (forum style)the Merged Hulk would beat his ass in less time than it would take for him to exceed his power levels.
So yes he does get to 3 if the Savage Hulk weren't, or didn't start out enraged as he is in the OP. Also has there been an instance where Thor has fought an enraged Savage Hulk and won without his hammer? Now if you get upset, and opt out of this topic, that's on you. Just don't forget that this is a public forum, and we all have our opinions on things.
When Thor and Savage Hulk fight fist cuff without the hammer things doesn't go well for Thor, at all. He isn't beating Savage Hulk, at all. It would be complete domination.
Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't Thor's power reduced when he fought the Maestro Hulk?
I think it was around the time Ellis was writing Thor and he had practically stripped Thor of most of his godly abilities.
If I'm remembering correctly. I'm not sure that fight helps Hulk's case at all.
EDIT: ok, I just re-read the issue and it seems Thor somehow got some power back but he's not at 100%. He actually feels pain when mjolnir is called back to his hand and it comes to him with speed.
Originally posted by deathlife
Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't Thor's power reduced when he fought the Maestro Hulk?I think it was around the time Ellis was writing Thor and he had practically stripped Thor of most of his godly abilities.
If I'm remembering correctly. I'm not sure that fight helps Hulk's case at all.
EDIT: ok, I just re-read the issue and it seems Thor somehow got some power back but he's not at 100%. He actually feels pain when mjolnir is called back to his hand and it comes to him with speed.
A solid argument can be made for this train of thought, but it would be harder to prove that he wasn't at 100% at around the middle to end of the match. Wasn't Thor at 100% the next time we see him after the fight? It's kind of difficult to tell exactly when he goes back to full power.
