Originally posted by abhilegend
And then Hulk "caved" Thor's head in with his own hammer in LTBB. Or savage Hulk fought Thor+2 teams evenly in Avengers/Agents of Atlas.
There's also fatally injured Thor killing amped Thing and knocking out amped Hulk 🙂
The 6th, and 7th seem to be pertinent to this thread in terms of Merged hulk. He wasn't the Maestro either but only pretending to play the part from what I recall, so not sure where you're getting this Maestro from?
Thor also had the hammer in that battle, he does not have it here, nor is the Hulk a sitting target, or slow in any stretch of the imagination. So how is he going to be tagging the Merged Hulk with all of these exotic powers when the Hulk would clearly have enough power to stay right in his face? it's different when his opponent isn't going to stand there there and take a beating, which is what I have been saying all along. Thor wouldn't be fighting an idiot he's actually fighting someone technically smarter than himself in concerns to Merged Hulk. I don't see Merged Hulk winning but i don't see him losing either. I'm honestly wondering when someone will actually say Thor beats Mindless Hulk, or gives the Green Scar a good fight without his hammer?
Originally posted by Stoic
The 6th, and 7th seem to be pertinent to this thread in terms of Merged hulk. He wasn't the Maestro either but only pretending to play the part from what I recall, so not sure where you're getting this Maestro from?Thor also had the hammer in that battle, he does not have it here, nor is the Hulk a sitting target, or slow in any stretch of the imagination. So how is he going to be tagging the Merged Hulk with all of these exotic powers when the Hulk would clearly have enough power to stay right in his face? it's different when his opponent isn't going to stand there there and take a beating, which is what I have been saying all along. Thor wouldn't be fighting an idiot he's actually fighting someone technically smarter than himself in concerns to Merged Hulk. I don't see Merged Hulk winning but i don't see him losing either. I'm honestly wondering when someone will actually say Thor beats Mindless Hulk, or gives the Green Scar a good fight without his hammer?
Reread the comic with their fight then if you're hung up on feigning poor memory.
The pertinent attacks do not need to be aimed, and he's hit every lightning bolt, even when the Hulk has been moving.
Thor is still smarter than Banner when it comes to fighting.
Blake created a Thor-clone that was better than Ragnarok in a day. Better than Stark and Reed's month-long work in Civil War 🙂
I've already said my piece on the thread, I'm refuting your shit claims that Hulk and Thor are equals when Thor's wielding Mjolnir.
Originally posted by carver9
Fist fight between Thor and Professor Hulk. Professor Hulk then claims that he can't amp off rage because it will revert him back to Banner. There's evidence that Grey Hulk is more powerful.http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd124/HulkFights/Vs%20Thor/Fight%208/1.jpg
http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd124/HulkFights/Vs%20Thor/Fight%208/2.jpg
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There's nothing there that says Hulk couldn't amp with anger. Simply if he gets too mad he reverts to Banner. Now that comes with other problems, but I see nothing in those scans that say that Hulk doesn't get stronger when he gets madder. Do you have something that actually says that?
Originally posted by carver9
So the comic lied when it said Thor was in a Warrior Madness state? Makes sense.There isn't a single thing you can say or do that would override what was said in the comic. Nothing. Wait, it said Hulk was pissed as well, I guess it lied about that also. A calm Hulk challenged and overpowered Thor.
I believe he's saying the writer didn't do his research and got Warrior's Madness wrong.
Originally posted by Bentley
Hammer to hand?
Actually, "hand-to-hand" often includes melee weapons like knives, batons/clubs, even using the butt of a riffle or the grip of a pistol to hit people, instead of shooting them. At least by some Military definitions.
Originally posted by krisblaze
Reread the comic with their fight then if you're hung up on feigning poor memory.The pertinent attacks do not need to be aimed, and he's hit every lightning bolt, even when the Hulk has been moving.
Thor is still smarter than Banner when it comes to fighting.
Blake created a Thor-clone that was better than Ragnarok in a day. Better than Stark and Reed's month-long work in Civil War 🙂
I've already said my piece on the thread, I'm refuting your shit claims that Hulk and Thor are equals when Thor's wielding Mjolnir.
My shit claims as you put it so ignorantly called them are backed by panel showings, and not opinion. You're reasoning is that Thor was fighting like an idiot. How many times do they have to fight, and stalemate for people to understand that the Hulk is simply fast enough to either stop these exotic attacks, or that he simply didn't give Thor enough time to use these exotic attacks? Fine you're done with this thread be done with it. The fight that happened in the Arctic happened a long time ago, so it's quite easy to miss a step or two. From what I recall it wasn't the actual Maestro, but Merged Hulk pretending to be the Maestro. If we are talking about the same Hulk.
Originally posted by Delta1938
Actually, "hand-to-hand" often includes melee weapons like knives, batons/clubs, even using the butt of a riffle or the grip of a pistol to hit people, instead of shooting them. At least by some Military definitions.
Of course americans would think a gun is a part of their hand.
Originally posted by Stoic
My shit claims as you put it so ignorantly called them are backed by panel showings, and not opinion. You're reasoning is that Thor was fighting like an idiot. How many times do they have to fight, and stalemate for people to understand that the Hulk is simply fast enough to either stop these exotic attacks, or that he simply didn't give Thor enough time to use these exotic attacks? Fine you're done with this thread be done with it. The fight that happened in the Arctic happened a long time ago, so it's quite easy to miss a step or two. From what I recall it wasn't the actual Maestro, but Merged Hulk pretending to be the Maestro. If we are talking about the same Hulk.
Too fast looking at these fights?
Thor hit him with his slower attacks, had opportunities where he checked to see if the Hulk was injured, saved other people, but you don't believe that he can land the attacks that do not need to be aimed?
And you think that what's been happening in these fights is that the Hulk is too fast for Thor to use these exotic attacks?
Thor generally doesn't use energy attacks on Earth as he's there to help people not destroy cities. Try reading some Thor comics and you'll see. Try reading Tarene's issues for Thor's explanation as to why he does not let loose enegy attacks in the middle of the ****ing city.
I'm referring to specifics and you're just avoiding my points.
Originally posted by krisblaze
LTBB was written by a guy who did -one- comic, admitted he just wrote it because he felt that Hulk should get a win AND was a dream.There's also fatally injured Thor killing amped Thing and knocking out amped Hulk 🙂
The returning enchatntment of mjolnir and Thor saying "I can't beat you, I never could." didn't reach to you?
Originally posted by celeyhyga17Maybe this type of battle still lends itself well to Hulk's powerset.
👆Depends on his mindset really.. But on average he can reach or pass 3. It'd be really tough to beat the other iterations of Hulk beyond 3 without calling down lightning or amped lightning punches.
Greater Strength, Damage Soak, and a massive healing factor advantage.
In any fight against Hulk Thor will most likely lose in a straight up brawl over time based on those factors.
That being said I think a Thor going all out against Hulk while not holding back and actually using his much higher skill level can give any of these Hulks a run for their money until the advantages just over take Thor.
Originally posted by Stoic
Now you're reaching. There is no hammer involved in this fight. I'm wondering how people are forgetting all of the fights that these two have had when Thor had the hammer, and was unable to defeat the Hulk. As it is they are about even with Thor having the hammer. So unless the hammer does squat for Thor, he would have a very hard time beating 2.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Ermm.. Reaching? Savage Hulk has been put down by far less. Thor w/Mjolnir has also almost killed Hulk in a fight semi off-panel which lends to the fact that he usually holds back for fear of killing. We take averages here.
And averages dictate what exactly? When has Thor made it seem as if any battle with the Hulk was a walk in the park, and the same thing can be said of the Hulk. The reason why he hasn't gone completely nut shit in many of his fights is because he isn't a murderer either. They wear the same shoe when it comes to killing. Look at how a crazed Hulk tore Onslaught's physical sell apart. So yes I agree lets talk about averages.
Originally posted by krisblaze
Too fast looking at these fights?Thor hit him with his slower attacks, had opportunities where he checked to see if the Hulk was injured, saved other people, but you don't believe that he can land the attacks that do not need to be aimed?
And you think that what's been happening in these fights is that the Hulk is too fast for Thor to use these exotic attacks?
Thor generally doesn't use energy attacks on Earth as he's there to help people not destroy cities. Try reading some Thor comics and you'll see. Try reading Tarene's issues for Thor's explanation as to why he does not let loose enegy attacks in the middle of the ****ing city.
I'm referring to specifics and you're just avoiding my points.
Thor isn't a speedster, and he certainly isn't outrunning the Hulk who has time and again been said to have the mightiest legs on Earth. What does leg strength have to do with land speed? Ask yourself this question. I was not ignoring your points, only the ones that claim that Thor always holds back, while not taking into account that the Hulk holds back as well. What part about rage increasing his strength failed to capture your mind? If the Hulk becomes stronger with rage, it only goes to show that he holds back against Thor if they sit there having a test of strength for hours on end. Who won the test of strength when they were in the Arctic? Who was being flung around, and stated that the next time they fell would be the last? I'd really love to see scans of that entire battle. Tell me something, was it the same Maestro that fought the Merged Hulk during Future Imperfect that fought against Thor in the Arctic? Or was that the Merged Hulk pretending to be Maestro? I'm asking because from what I remember of the story it was the Merged Hulk pretending to be Maestro.
Originally posted by Stoic
And averages dictate what exactly? When has Thor made it seem as if any battle with the Hulk was a walk in the park, and the same thing can be said of the Hulk. The reason why he hasn't gone completely nut shit in many of his fights is because he isn't a murderer either. They wear the same shoe when it comes to killing. Look at how a crazed Hulk tore Onslaught's physical sell apart. So yes I agree lets talk about averages.
You make it seem like Savage Hulk is unbeatable when far less than a solid top tier has taken him down. It's not inconceivable that Thor can pass 3 with the proper mindset.
Originally posted by Delta1938
I've seen Professor Hulk fail to overtake General Ross while chasing him on foot.
I've seen some pretty dumb things in comics as well, like Superman being KO'd by a gas station explosion, or the Silver Surfer being hurt by a Carpenter's hammer, how about the time that Thanos was arrested? These things happen.
Originally posted by Stoic
I've seen some pretty dumb things in comics as well, like Superman being KO'd by a gas station explosion, or the Silver Surfer being hurt by a Carpenter's hammer, how about the time that Thanos was arrested? These things happen.
Superman one is out of context. But anyways, any actual examples of Hulk running at great speeds before the current trend? That was the lowest example the guy posted, but not the only one of Hulk not being that fast.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
For one how do you have Thor not beating 2 when Proff Hulk would revert to Banner if he gets too angry? Doesn't make sense to me.You make it seem like Savage Hulk is unbeatable when far less than a solid top tier has taken him down. It's not inconceivable that Thor can pass 3 with the proper mindset.
I don't believe that Savage Hulk is in the right place, and should actually be in the 2 slot. I also believe that the merged Hulk slightly edges Thor out in the strength department so he shouldn't have to increase in strength to stalemate him like he did in the Arctic. You saying that Thor can pass 3 with the proper mindset is almost like saying that Thor has always allowed the Hulk to stay conscious during all of the fights that they have had, while what happened on panel disagrees with that.
Originally posted by Delta1938
Superman one is out of context. But anyways, any actual examples of Hulk running at great speeds before the current trend? That was the lowest example the guy posted, but not the only one of Hulk not being that fast.
What don't you understand about having the mightiest leg muscles on the face of the Earth? He could have always been portrayed to run fast because of this citation. I'm not going to apologize for the things that writers omit, or do not showcase. Superman was hurt by a thug with a baseball bat in the Pre Crisis days. nonsense happens all of the time in comics.
Originally posted by Stoic
What don't you understand about having the mightiest leg muscles on the face of the Earth? He could have always been portrayed to run fast because of this citation. I'm not going to apologize for the things that writers omit, or do not showcase. Superman was hurt by a thug with a baseball bat in the Pre Crisis days. nonsense happens all of the time in comics.
I'll take that as a "No, I don't have any examples before the current trend."
