Originally posted by SamZED
Summary - Israelis just wants to be recognized by mean Palestine so they'll murder every single one of them until they do.
No! That is not what the video said. If the Palestinians really wanted peace, there would be peace tomorrow.
Sure settlements can be moved, and borders and be agreed upon, but there must be peace first. Peace requires that the Palestine people recognize the state of Israel.
Originally posted by Lestov16It really is. Pretty much anyone who looked into the conflict will say the exact same thing. It all comes down to the following:
I was discussing this situation with my dad (a Muslim) yesterday. He pretty much said exactly what you said, and it is a justified POV IMO.
Originally posted by ShakyamunisonPeace on what conditions? That is the main problem. Palestine recognised Israel a long time ago, but there will never be peace among average people as long as Palestinians continue being treated like dogs. And it's not something Palestinians can help and not something that will magically stop once Palestinians silently accept their fate. Israel is not building new settlements because Palestinians are hostile, they're building them because they could give a crap. Pard me for the following analogy but that's equivalent of demanding peace from someone you're continually raping in the a$$.
No! That is not what the video said. If the Palestinians really wanted peace, there would be peace tomorrow.Sure settlements can be moved, and borders and be agreed upon, but there must be peace first. Peace requires that the Palestine people recognize the state of Israel.
Originally posted by ShakyamunisonI didn't say anything about Palestinian people going to UN, they just recently received the non-member observer status. Look up PLO in the internet. If I don't know what I'm talking about please address my entire post and tell me where I was wrong. So Israel is not illegally occupying Palestinian territories? They don't build new settlements? The US does not veto UN resolutions condemning that action? And most importantly explain to me how is it up to Palestinians to live happily ever after by doing absolutely nothing while Israel keeps expanding their already illegally occupied territory.
Show me were! What representatives from the Palestinian people have gone to the UN and recognized the state of Israel. I suspect you don’t know what you are talking about.
Originally posted by SamZED
I didn't say anything about Palestinian people going to UN, they just recently received the non-member observer status. Look up PLO in the internet.
Originally posted by SamZED
So Israel is not illegally occupying Palestinian territories?
Originally posted by SamZED
They don't build new settlements?
Originally posted by SamZED
The US does not veto UN resolutions condemning that action?
Originally posted by SamZED
And most importantly explain to me how is it up to Palestinians to live happily ever after by doing absolutely nothing while Israel keeps expanding their already illegally occupied territory.
Originally posted by ShakyamunisonI'm not following your train of thought. You said if Palestinians wanted peace there'd be one tomorrow. How? Palestine choosing peace? Assuming that president's statement of recognition and acceptance of UN resolutions regarding the existence of two states is not enough let's see what else they have left. It's either consequences of war or inevitable death in isolation. What kind of choice is that? You expect average people to just sit there while they're being forced to choose between genocide or pathetic existence that keeps getting worse and worse by the day because Israel keeps illegally (according to the UN) expanding its territory? It's the most densely populated place in the world as it is, Palestinians have nowhere to go and no means to survive. Of course they choose to fire petty rockets over slow death. Who wouldn't? Meanwhile Israel keeps pushing them further and further and every time Palestinians try to do something about they get slaughtered. Yet somehow you see Israel as a poor victim and refuse to hold it responsible for anything instead blaming Palestinians as if they are forcing Israeli's hand by refusing to sit and silently wait for extinction. This conflict can't be solved by one side alone, don't kid yourself. And while Palestinians only have two choices (slow death or petty struggle and then death) Israel is in the position of power and it is not giving it up regardless of what Palestinians choose. So at this point it's mainly up to Israel to resolve it. Sure Palestinians can achieve peace tomorrow but it will only be peace for Israel VS pathetic existence followed by death for Palestinians. And apparently according to you Palestinians are dicks for not choosing that option. It's crazy how people are willing to overlook and even justify oppression, genocide, anything really as long as it fits into their established way of thinking - Israel is an ally, therefore it is good and therefore everything it does is good. Even if it's everything our country normally stands against. I just don't see any other explanation to this mindless messed up way of thinking. Like you said - thats just politics. Sad.
That has nothing to do with recognizing Israel as a state. That is the only way to peace.I never said they weren’t.
I never said they don’t.
That’s politics, get over it!
Rockets being fired into Israeli cities are not a correct response to land disputes.
Gaza and Hamas MUST STOP FIRING ROCKETS INTO ISRAEL or face the consequences of war.
Do any of you know what's going on both sides?
Israel builds a huge wall blocking the Palestians from having a normal life. Plus they're BUILDING settlements on the lands that are part of the State of Palestine. Plus they use their heavily armed forces to retaliate. They do not wish to stop building settlements, they don't trust Palestinian border control or police to manage security in the Palestian Authority so they feel free to exercise that in their way, which is pretty rough.
On the other side we have Hamas and the Palestinian demands. Hamas wants to drive Israel into the sea, destroy them utterly. They demand the lands of their people back they owned prior to 1948 (when the UN - the WORLD decided for a Jewish Homes State in this area - this was not conquest!) which are now within Israeli borders. They also demand a return of ALL Palestinian refugees from Jordan and Lebanon (some five million by now with all their offspring since 1948) and demand they can settle on 'their' former lands within the borders of Israel. (and since Israel is a democracy, the Jews would be outnumbered by Arabs/Palestinians and that would result by election in the end of a JEWISH state).
Now, this is kind of the stalemate, flavoured with some 60 years of violence back and forth and feeling of hate, revenge and threat over some three generations.
There can only be peace when both parties start compromising on their demands. The question is: who's willing to make the first step.
Personally I'd like to see Israel stop building settlements on Palestinian lands and even consider moving the Israeli's living there at this moment, since Israel is the stronger party here. Then the Palestinians should acknowledge the State of Israel and drop their claims on lands within Israel's borders and the return of the Palestinian refugees TO lands with Israeli borders. That would at least be a clear acknowledgement from both sides to the right of existence of both lands.
But I tell you, I don't think any of this will happen. Not anytime soon.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Yeah, Palestine started it by not meekly leaving their homes when they were kicked out by invading foreigners! **** brown people!
LOL. Wake up. They started it by firing rockets into Israel and trying to kill any Jew that they could. Now, they're playing the victim because they can't defeat a superior foe.
Originally posted by Star428
LOL. Wake up. They started it by firing rockets into Israel and trying to kill any Jew that they could. Now, they're playing the victim because they can't defeat a superior foe.
Oh yeah, they also started it by terrorizing Israeli citizens at every opportunity. They (Palestines) deserve no sympathy considering how they were dancing in the streets when thousands of Americans were killed when the World Trade towers fell. I wish Israel would wipe them all out.
Originally posted by Star428Why do you think the Palestinians are angry?
LOL. Wake up. They started it by firing rockets into Israel and trying to kill any Jew that they could. Now, they're playing the victim because they can't defeat a superior foe.
Do you think they're genetically predisposed to violence by their brownness or something?
Originally posted by NemeBro
Why do you think the Palestinians are angry?Do you think they're genetically predisposed to violence by their brownness or something?
The older I get, the more I think Arabs have a genetic predisposition towards "losing their shit." More so than other peoples.
They may not be the angriest but they are one of the angriest people on the planet.
Basically, I'm saying I don't think it is completely learned.
But saying stuff like this is considered taboo. Trying to study stuff like this is generally considered taboo, as well.
And yet, our closet animal relatives, Chimpanzees, show us that their behaviors can vary wildly (Bonobos and Chimps are closely related and can produce fertile offspring but Bonobos are much more peaceful (thought not perfectly) than the common Chimps).
So why would not similar things occur among humans? Why are we immune from behavioral variations similar to Chimps?
My personal opinion is it comes from both sides in the scientific community (on why these taboo topics are not really studied): the liberals find it offensive and racist to study such subjects and the conservatives find it offends their sense of responsibility.
Before I'm accused of being a wacko, look at the backlash against the studying done about rapists and how rapists were clearly different than normal people (which partially supported a hypothesis that rapists may not be as in control of their behavior as others).
@Queed good summary.
Originally posted by ShakyamunisonDoes that mean my post was not written properly in English or that you just disagree with what I said? Because I stand by it and will be happy to elaborate.
^ What the hell?! 🤣
Originally posted by Star428After Israel invaded Palestinian territory (as recognized by the UN mind you) randomly butchering people and destroying their homes just to scare them off. If you break into my house in the middle of the night and shoot me don't blame me for hitting you with a baseball bat. Palestinians ARE the victim of illegal Israeli occupation. Educate yourself on the subject then come back.
LOL. Wake up. They started it by firing rockets into Israel and trying to kill any Jew that they could. Now, they're playing the victim because they can't defeat a superior foe.