Originally posted by SamZED
I was. I am. The only reason left out all the swear words. Everything I said is still true.
I don't want to talk to you right now because you are not listening. You are putting words in my mouth, and I have already said what I wanted to say. Sober up, and maybe on an other topic we can talk.
Originally posted by ShakyamunisonI heard your opinion. And say it's messed up and comes from denial. Won't change later. See you in another thread.
I don't want to talk to you right now because you are not listening. You are putting words in my mouth, and I have already said what I wanted to say. Sober up, and maybe on an other topic we can talk.
Would the proper response for a native American descendent be to start firing explosive tipped arrows into American households because that land the house was built on at one point in time belonged to one of his ancestors? The obvious answer is no.
The Palestinians need to collectively suppress their hatred toward Israel/Jews, come together as one and shit-stomp Hamas out of existence. Hamas is the greater enemy to Palestinians, hiding weapon caches in schools and hospitals, rockets missing the intended Israeli targets and hitting Palestinian homes etc. IF they did that, they would show the world that they want a peaceful coexistence with Israel and Israel's hand would [likely] be forced by international pressure to not be dicks.
But that's not going to happen, Hamas will continue to fire rockets and use Palestinian children as meat shields so when Israel targets weapon bunkers, the children casualties can then be used as propaganda by Hamas. /endrant
Originally posted by queeqI agree. The politics, history, religion, etc: everything debatable should not be addressed now because it can not be quickly settled (if ever). But the fighting can be halted immediately if:
I think this debate is far beyond "who started it". It should be all about "how do these two warring parties get out of this mess so normal people ca live normal lives."
1. Hamas stops attacking Israel.
2. Israel will then stop shelling Gaza. At this point, tunnel destruction will likely continue, but this is a precise, close-quarters operation that should pose no harm to civilians...unless, of course, Hamas starts chaining civilians to the walls to protect its tunnels.
3. Once both sides stop lobbing projectiles, Palestinians get to live.
Originally posted by RobtardBut a rant more/less spot on.
Would the proper response for a native American descendent be to start firing explosive tipped arrows into American households because that land the house was built on at one point in time belonged to one of his ancestors? The obvious answer is no.The Palestinians need to collectively suppress their hatred toward Israel/Jews, come together as one and shit-stomp Hamas out of existence. Hamas is the greater enemy to Palestinians, hiding weapon caches in schools and hospitals, rockets missing the intended Israeli targets and hitting Palestinian homes etc. IF they did that, they would show the world that they want a peaceful coexistence with Israel and Israel's hand would [likely] be forced by international pressure to not be dicks.
But that's not going to happen, Hamas will continue to fire rockets and use Palestinian children as meat shields so when Israel targets weapon bunkers, the children casualties can then be used as propaganda by Hamas. /endrant
Originally posted by Robtard
Would the proper response for a native American descendent be to start firing explosive tipped arrows into American households because that land the house was built on at one point in time belonged to one of his ancestors? The obvious answer is no.The Palestinians need to collectively suppress their hatred toward Israel/Jews, come together as one and shit-stomp Hamas out of existence. Hamas is the greater enemy to Palestinians, hiding weapon caches in schools and hospitals, rockets missing the intended Israeli targets and hitting Palestinian homes etc. IF they did that, they would show the world that they want a peaceful coexistence with Israel and Israel's hand would [likely] be forced by international pressure to not be dicks.
But that's not going to happen, Hamas will continue to fire rockets and use Palestinian children as meat shields so when Israel targets weapon bunkers, the children casualties can then be used as propaganda by Hamas. /endrant
That's an interesting analogy with the difference that native Americans aren't being forced out of their land into isolation or killed for protesting against it by those household owners. Used to be the case a long time ago and correct me if I'm wrong they weren't exactly happy about it. Only difference they didn't have missiles back in 18th century.
Israel does not bomb schools and hospitals because of Hamas, they bomb them because they could give a crap. And while I appreciate that you try to come up with a peaceful resolution for both sides much like Shaky you present it in a way to make sure Israel isn't held responsible for anything while blaming everything on Palestine. Palestinian civilians die? Their own fault. Should've dealt with Hamas. Being forced into isolation and to live in inhumane conditions? Their own fault. Should've surpassed their hatred towards Israel. Meanwhile Israel shouldn't do jack, just continue occupying more territory and bombing the sh!t out of anyone who has a problem with it. Like Queeq said, both sides should compromise.
Originally posted by SamZED
That's an interesting analogy with the difference that native Americans aren't being forced out of their land into isolation or killed for protesting against it. Used to be the case a long time ago and correct me if I'm wrong they weren't exactly happy about it. Only difference they didn't have missiles back in 18th century.
Israel does not bomb schools and hospitals because of Hamas, they bomb them because they could give a crap. And while I appreciate that you try to come up with a peaceful resolution for both sides much like Shaky you go out of your way to not hold Israel responsible for anything while blaming everything on Palestine. Palestinian civilians die? Their own fault. Should've dealt with Hamas. Being forced into isolation and to live in inhumane conditions? Their own fault. Should've surpassed their hatred towards Israel. Meanwhile Israel shouldn't do jack, just continue occupying more territory and bombing the sh!t out of anyone who has a problem with it. Like Queeq said, both sides should compromise.
1) You go out of your way to vilify Israel by insisting it goes out of its way to target random schools and hospitals.
2) If you actually read what I said, I in fact do not "blame" Palestine. I blame Hamas, who does horrible actions and common Palestinians suffer because of it. Palestine allowing Hamas to exist is not helping their cause; it hurts it; they should do something about it.
3) Hamas does target Jewish children on purpose as a form of mind-****-warfare and they couldn’t give two shits about Palestinian children, if they did, they'd not use them as meat-shields and use schools as weapon's depots.
4) Then there’s the glaring fact: If Hamas had the military capabilities to wipe out Israel, it would not hesitate, as this is their outwardly spoken goal. While Israel does have the military might to wipe the Gaza strip clean; yet they don’t. That should tell you something. IIRC, Hamas does not compromise.
Originally posted by dadudemon
The older I get, the more I think Arabs have a genetic predisposition towards "losing their shit." More so than other peoples.They may not be the angriest but they are one of the angriest people on the planet.
Basically, I'm saying I don't think it is completely learned.
But saying stuff like this is considered taboo. Trying to study stuff like this is generally considered taboo, as well.
And yet, our closet animal relatives, Chimpanzees, show us that their behaviors can vary wildly (Bonobos and Chimps are closely related and can produce fertile offspring but Bonobos are much more peaceful (thought not perfectly) than the common Chimps).
So why would not similar things occur among humans? Why are we immune from behavioral variations similar to Chimps?
My personal opinion is it comes from both sides in the scientific community (on why these taboo topics are not really studied): the liberals find it offensive and racist to study such subjects and the conservatives find it offends their sense of responsibility.
Before I'm accused of being a wacko, look at the backlash against the studying done about rapists and how rapists were clearly different than normal people (which partially supported a hypothesis that rapists may not be as in control of their behavior as others).
If there was a reputable study on brown people's natural inclination towards violence then I wouldn't dismiss it out of hand because of racism.
Originally posted by Robtard
1) You go out of your way to vilify Israel by insisting it goes out of its way to target random schools and hospitals.2) If you actually read what I said, I in fact do not "blame" Palestine. I blame Hamas, who does horrible actions and common Palestinians suffer because of it. Palestine allowing Hamas to exist is not helping their cause; it hurts it; they should do something about it.
3) Hamas does target Jewish children on purpose as a form of mind-****-warfare and they couldn’t give two shits about Palestinian children, if they did, they'd not use them as meat-shields and use schools as weapon's depots.
4) Then there’s the glaring fact: If Hamas had the military capabilities to wipe out Israel, it would not hesitate, as this is their outwardly spoken goal. While Israel does have the military might to wipe the Gaza strip clean; yet they don’t. IIRC, Hamas does not compromise.
Originally posted by SamZED
1) I didn't say they go out of their way, I said they don't give a crap. Which they don't.
2) Ok. Except Palestinians mainly suffer because of Israel, not Hamas. But why even address that, right? Just blame it all on Hamas and be done with it. That's why I said you're presenting it in a way to make sure Israel isn't being held responsible for anything.
3) So basically that excuse Israel uses every time they bomb civilians to teach Palestinians a lesson "Oh we only did it because there was a Hamas member hiding under a bush". Meanwhile you make it sound like Hamas is the cause of all bad things happening to Palestinians because it's easier to blame them than accept that Israel is doing messed up sh!t, the kind of sh!t the US would've happily labeled as inhuman act of violence, oppression and genoside in any other circumstance except for this one. Or accept that Israel will continue to do all that regardless of Hamas existence. So the conflict is Palestinians fault because they won't surpass their hatred towards Israel. Because they have so many reasons to.
4) How very noble of Israel. Even they can't get away with nuking the whole area. So Palestinians should deal with Hamas and sit there peacefully while Israel is building new settlements, murdering and treating them like third rate humans. Why didn't they think of this brilliant option. That'll fix everything. It's all up to them.
You don't want to have a discussion, you just want to bash Israel it seems.
It is "very noble" of Israel considering their enemy wants them eradicated, if we compare the two.
While I don't know exactly what Israel would do if Palestine smashed Hamas as I'm not a seer (will be soon though), it would be a step towards a possible peace and compromise between Israel and Palestine and it would definitely put Israel in the spotlight for being the one that has to push for an equal peace solution.
Tell me, what's your solution? Since you think mine of Palestine breaking itself free of Hamas as a first step is terrible.
Originally posted by NemeBro
If there was a reputable study on brown people's natural inclination towards violence then I wouldn't dismiss it out of hand because of racism.
Not brown people, Middle Eastern People.
And there was a study done on Sub Saharan Africans (or those of their descent) that showed they were more likely to commit crimes and violent crimes.
They controlled for things such as "racist white people in law enforcement and the criminal justice system."*
It was a humongous.
It was paraded about as racist and pretty much no one would try to do a study like that again. 😐
*I think they blamed it on testosterone. It was talked about, at length, in the GDF, 5+ years ago.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Not brown people, Middle Eastern People.And there was a study done on Sub Saharan Africans (or those of their descent) that showed they were more likely to commit crimes and violent crimes.
They controlled for things such as "racist white people in law enforcement and the criminal justice system."*
It was a humongous.
It was paraded about as racist and pretty much no one would try to do a study like that again. 😐
*I think they blamed it on testosterone. It was talked about, at length, in the GDF, 5+ years ago.
Are you sure that isn't culture?
I'm pretty sure a lot of the problems in my area are pretty much the end result of the society and upbringing, more so then an innate need to hurt people for no reason. When I was growing up I was explicitly taught to solve my problems with violence and not to bother calling the police. The issues in place of the community are complicated and the effects of racist cops and such has hold even when they stop being racist.
Originally posted by Lek Kuen
Are you sure that isn't culture?
I wasn't one of the researchers and I'm definitely the wrong person to ask that question.
I think Culture has something, if not everything, to do with it. But, in the study, the linked test levels with crime/violence. Asians were the most well-behaved and white people were close to them at second and then significantly below Asians and whites were the blacks. I hope me mentioning this offends somebody because I want them to look it up and post it because I'm too lazy to do it.
inimalist, that jerk, would know because I think he was the one that originally brought it up.
Originally posted by dadudemon
I wasn't one of the researchers and I'm definitely the wrong person to ask that question.I think Culture has something, if not everything, to do with it. But, in the study, the linked test levels with crime/violence. Asians were the most well-behaved and white people were close to them at second and then significantly below Asians and whites were the blacks. I hope me mentioning this offends somebody because I want them to look it up and post it because I'm too lazy to do it.
inimalist, that jerk, would know because I think he was the one that originally brought it up.
I know it's not the right thread, but just saying I don't think it's genetic. i'm no scientist but just you know living my whole life in the black community I saw the average kids growing up to be the gangbangers and thugs, as well as just everyone around me. That and the experiences of my parents and grandparents tell me its alot more complicated then an innate black thing.
I'm sure an actual thread would devolve into pure racism pretty fast but I'd be willing to share my thoughts and experiences if you made one