Originally posted by Nephthys
You've gone insane, Legend.
Darth Skotia was so powerful that Lord Zash feared him and Darth Nox had to resort to unfair means to subdue him.
Insanity is in the belief that only a popular character is supposed to be stronger then Count Dooku and that Darth Thanaton have many equal/superior. Get this nonsense out of your head.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Did you paid attention to the reasoning or not?Darth Skotia was so powerful that Lord Zash feared him and Darth Nox had to resort to unfair means to subdue him.
Insanity is in the belief that only a popular character is supposed to be stronger then Count Dooku. Get this nonsense out of your head.
I did pay attention. Your reasoning was atrocious.
Who cares that Zash feared him, Zash is hardly very powerful. She is an above average Sith Lord at best. Her only feat is blasting Nox back in their fight. Nox needing to disable him with cybernetics only indicates Nox isn't nearly as powerful as you absurd wanking suggests. Nox was still a mere apprentice fresh off of Korriban. They were not one of the most powerful Sith Lords in generations, duh.
Insanity is the belief that any TOR era Sith with a name is on Count Dooku's level. It's utter, raving lunacy.
Originally posted by Nephthys
I did pay attention. Your reasoning was atrocious.Who cares that Zash feared him, Zash is hardly very powerful. She is an above average Sith Lord at best. Nox needing to disable him with cybernetics only indicates Nox isn't nearly as powerful as you absurd wanking suggests.
Darth Nox, at the time of apprenticeship, was already noted to be the most powerful Sith Lord to have emerged in a span of generations, completely dominated the deadly Sith Trials even though his superiors wanted him to fail and was considered for apprenticeship by Lord Zash for a reason, she saw potential in him that she didn't in others. In-fact, Khem Val, who is noted to have devoured even powerful Force-users, couldn't do so to Darth Nox, even when the latter (Darth Nox) was at his natural strength at this point.
It is not that Darth Nox was lacking in power, it is just that Darth Skotia was immensely strong perhaps due to his cybernetic augmentation.
Wretched monster. More machine than man and dangerously powerful.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Insanity is the belief that any TOR era Sith with a name in on Count Dooku's level. It's utter, raving lunacy.
Darth Skotia isn't any TOR era Sith with a name. Don't be stupid.
As I mentioned in another thread, if you are trying to reconcile TOR era ground realities with PT era ground realities, you will have distorted views about power levels witnessed in TOR era.
Originally posted by carthage
This is coming from a guy who said Bane > Maul, Dooku, Anakin, Windu, and Caedus. Also you're one to talk showing up on SWF and trolling the forum with a sock account.
I've said it before and I'll say it again... **** OFF
Originally posted by carthage
I don't think Neph has an agenda. While I disagree with a lot of what he believes, he's merely calling you out for asserting one near featless character like Skotia is superior to the Count. I don't think anyone should take issue with that, as its probably one of the dumbest claims I've ever heard.
Originally posted by carthage
I don't think Neph has an agenda. While I disagree with a lot of what he believes, he's merely calling you out for asserting one near featless character like Skotia is superior to the Count. I don't think anyone should take issue with that, as its probably one of the dumbest claims I've ever heard.
More importantly, Darth Nox was already a powerful Force-user at the time of his confrontation with Darth Skotia, powerful by mythos standards and not just in personal claim. But the latter was so powerful that his cybernetics had to be undermined before he could be taken down.
Darth Skotia had cybernetic augmentation on top of his decent mastery of the Force so he isn't some normal random Sith. He is one of the major bosses to be dealt with in a Sith Inquisitor story and portrayed as among the strongest Sith of the Empire.
I am being realistic and open-minded, I don't adhere to pre-established notions of power levels in the mythos. I don't need to be reminded about how great Count Dooku is, he is one of the most well-known characters of the mythos. I focus on minute details though which are often a good way to assess things.
Many just stick to black and white comparisons to determine power levels. Naga Sadow threw a brick in a duel, OMG he utterly sucks kind of shit. Holistically, Naga Sadow is realized as a powerful sorcerer by mythos standards so he would be logically lot more capable then throwing a brick.
I advice Nephthys and Emperordmb to think wisely and not resort to labels. If I am claiming something, it is because of a reason.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Oh so you get to decide who is exactly how much good when it fits your agenda?Darth Nox, at the time of apprenticeship, was already noted to be the most powerful Sith Lord to have emerged in a span of generations, completely dominated the deadly Sith Trials even though his superiors wanted him to fail and was considered for apprenticeship by Lord Zash for a reason, she saw potential in him that she didn't in others. In-fact, Khem Val, who is noted to have devoured even powerful Force-users, couldn't do so to Darth Nox, even when the latter (Darth Nox) was at his natural strength at this point.
It is not that Darth Nox was lacking in power, it is just that Darth Skotia was immensely strong perhaps due to his cybernetic augmentation.
Wretched monster. More machine than man and dangerously powerful.
Oh, you mean like how you get to decide who counts as powerful when it fits your agenda? Like in the other thread? Don't act as if your shit doesn't stink, Legend.
Bullshit, Nox couldn't be the most powerful Sith Lord in generations because she wasn't a Sith Lord yet. She's called that at the end of the Inquisitor storyline, Skotia is killed on the second planet. And if she was the most powerful Sith Lord in generations.... she wouldn't have needed to weaken Skotia before beating him, now would she? Zash chose Nox as an apprentice because she had a vision of Nox as her apprentice iirc. Khem was weakened when Nox beat him.
Skotia was a powerful Darth, but that's all.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Did I assert this?Darth Skotia isn't any TOR era Sith with a name. Don't be stupid.
As I mentioned in another thread, if you are trying to reconcile TOR era ground realities with PT era ground realities, you will have distorted views about power levels witnessed in TOR era.
No, I'm mocking your argument by suggesting that you tend to place any character in TOR above anyone in any other era. Skotia is a mid-level Sith, not even close to Dooku. In terms of feats the only thing he's done is kill some trandosian with TK and lose to Nox.
Originally posted by Nalaniel
So Darth Skotia > Dooku ?
Believe it or not, I rank Count Dooku very highly and I am already being generous by assuming that Darth Nox may not be equal to Count Dooku at natural level even thought he have comparable hype at this point, forget his augmented incarnation.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Oh, you mean like how you get to decide who counts as powerful when it fits your agenda? Like in the other thread? Don't act as if your shit doesn't stink, Legend.
Are you an authority when it comes to Star Wars? Don't try to act like one.
I presented an argument. If you do not agree with it, you should provide a reasonable counter-argument.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Bullshit, Nox couldn't be the most powerful Sith Lord in generations because she wasn't a Sith Lord yet. She's called that at the end of the Inquisitor storyline, Skotia is killed on the second planet. And if she was the most powerful Sith Lord in generations.... she wouldn't have needed to weaken Skotia before beating him, now would she? Zash chose Nox as an apprentice because she had a vision of Nox as her apprentice iirc. Khem was weakened when Nox beat him.
Darth Nox was already a powerful Force-user by mythos standards during the time of his apprenticeship to Lord Zash, verified in TOR Encyclopedia.
In addition, you get to decide how strong an opponent is on the basis of at which point the confrontation took place? Don't be ridiculous.
ANALOGY: Bengel Morr (fallen) was a big threat to the Jedi Order but was taken down in the first planet, he utterly dominated the powerful Jedi Master Orgus Din in a battle but could not handle Hero of Tython. In-fact, Hero of Tython is labeled as such for his performances in Tython.
More importantly, Darth Skotia wasn't taken out in a fair contest.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Skotia was a powerful Darth, but that's all.No, I'm mocking your argument by suggesting that you tend to place any character in TOR above anyone in any other era. Skotia is a mid-level Sith, not even close to Dooku. In terms of feats the only thing he's done is kill some trandosian with TK and lose to Nox.
By your logic, Count Dooku is mid-level strong since he doesn't stacks up to Darth Sidious. Darth Skotia isn't a mid-level Sith, he is very powerful and is feared within the Empire by even popular Lords. Of-course, Darth Skotia have superiors but he isn't a mid-level Sith.
Those Trandosians were body guards of Darth Skotia, not some weaklings.
Darth Nox took down the entire powerbase of Darth Skotia before confronting him, he was already powerful by mythos standards at this point but not strong enough to contend with Darth Skotia in a fair contest.
At Zash's bidding, the inquisitor sabotages and ultimately destroys the cyborg Darth Skotia, thus paving way for the Zash to take his place and become a Darth. (TOR Encyclopedia)
Sabotaging represents use of a disruptor weapon which significantly weakened Darth Skotia before he could be taken down.