Originally posted by Nephthys
Lmao! Nox gained Zash's attention by shooting lightning at a rock. She completed a task no-one else had in centuries because no-one else was dumb enough to get frustrated and blast a priceless artifact with lightning.
Originally posted by Nephthys
A rather ironic statement for you. You're whole debating style is taking out-of-context quotes and feats and rating them wildly out of proportion to buff up your favorite era. I have no agenda here, Legend. I argue in favor of TOR content in the majority of my posts. And even I'm appalled by your argument here. Darth Skotia as powerful as one of the greatest Sith to ever live? Excuse me while I shudder. This should be a reality check for you. I'm your biggest supporter usually and I'm the one most offended by your wank.
You do argue in favor of TOR era, I respect you for this reason but I respect you more for having greater understanding of the lore then norm here. However, you do have some core beliefs that you are not willing to be flexible about and if such beliefs are challenged, you start mocking and dismissing statements that challenge your beliefs without proper reasoning.
You are dismissing the credibility of Darth Skotia with the excuse that he is just a random Darth and cannot hold a candle to a more well-known Darth of the mythos. While I see that a you may tend to hold a more well-known Darth at higher esteem but is this really logical thinking? In contrast to you, I am open to the possibility of lesser known characters to be a match for more well-known characters, I am just being realistic. Maybe this is due to my habit of focusing on minute details to formulate assessments.
As an example; I hold Tulak Hord at higher esteem, more-so then many well-known Sith Lords of the mythos, even though not much is known about his credibility at the moment but whatever information is available, implies that he is incredible by mythos standards. So if somebody asks me that who is better among Tulak Hord and Darth Vader, I would say Tulak Hord and would try to defend my opinion. Now should be labeled as being era biased for this reason because I dared to assume that someone is possibly better then Darth Vader?
Honestly speaking, there is not much to debate about well-known characters, they are like open books for the masses. Real debate occurs about lesser known stuff or ground realities that may challenge core beliefs of the masses or even some aspects of the presumed realities of the lore.
My request to you is to have an open mind, if you are trying to protect your image or something, then you are not doing "your inner Galileo" a favor. Stop worrying about how people perceive you on the basis of your beliefs about Sci-Fi stuff, challenge the core beliefs if you must. What will happen at maximum? People will disagree? Let them.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Yes, era bias. It's tough to become a Sith in any era. Just because it was more intensive in the TOR era means little, it doesn't magic up a bunch of individuals with greater Force potential than there exists in other eras. The most powerful TOR acolytes would have become Sith in any other era regardless of the strictness of the training. Also the harshness means many who could have been good Sith died in the unfair conditions and their potential was wasted.And besides, even if the standard Sith are superior, that doesn't mean a rank and file Sith like Skotia, who has millions as powerful as himself existing in TOR, would be on the level of Dooku, who is in the top 5 of his era and one of the most powerful Sith ever. That's ridiculous.
Now tell me how the ground realities of the TOR era were sooo different from that of the PT and we can't compare blah blah blah. 🙄
Now that the excuse part is covered, we get back to evaluating Darth Skotia further with greater fairness and focus. Darth Skotia was so powerful and feared that even a master of dark arts such as Lord Zash did not took chances against him and Darth Nox (most promising Sith in generations with history of defeating incredibly dangerous opponents) had to sabotage Skotia's cybernetics to overcome him. Now with open mind, it is possible to assume that Darth Skotia could hold a candle to liks of Count Dooku and this is generous assessment. Count Dooku, contrary to older novelistic hype in his favor, have not been tried and tested in similar manner as a Darth of reconstituted ancient Sith Empire have been. We know that Count Dooku is powerful because of his feats and accolades but should we blindly assume that he is better then most Darths in history without having ample knowledge of capabilities of each? This is the kind of belief that I tend to challenge. It is not like as if I am asserting that Count Dooku is wrongly hyped or does not deserves to be considered among the elites, it is just that expansion of the lore is providing possible identities that may seem like a challenge for Count Dooku and this doesn't lessens Count's credentials, he will remain among the best even if he is ranked at 500th spot holistically because millions and millions of Sith have existed in history.
In-fact, Count Dooku is decent to the extent that I often use him as a benchmark to evaluate other characters of the mythos. But I also understand Count's limits and not fall for blind (fanon) hype in his favor. I understand that Count Dooku challenged Yoda to a certain level but Yoda was being defensive mostly and was more interested at turning Count back to light due to the former's soft-corner for his once remarkable student. If Yoda ever had killing intentions, I am confident that he would have eliminated Count Dooku in a fight. Count's fallibility is further demonstrated by actions of Darth Sidious and Mother Talzin against him, in-fact, Darth Sidious choked Count Dooku from lightyears distance to remind him of his fallibility. Your assumption that I am not well-aware of the ground realities of the lore is utterly misplaced and I would say the same about all other members who blindly tend to be critics of me at personal capacity and lowball TOR era content without logical basis.
Originally posted by Nephthys
It seems my point stands. Nox did sabotage Skotia, but theres no evidence that Nox required to do that to beat him or couldn't have done so without weakening him.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Who cares if Skotia could beat a powerful apprentice, which hasn't been established btw. I've already proven in the other thread that you're using the term powerful in an incorrect manner and that it can be applied to many, many individuals who are not even as powerful as a standard Jedi Knight.
Originally posted by Nephthys
I does take away from his repute, because one of the premier Force users from the PT era, who is one of the strongest Sith in any era, would be a mid-level Darth nobody in the TOR era. Which is obviously what you're trying to establish. Dooku is so far above Skotia he could likely ragdoll him in under a second. Dooku has incredibly powerful TK feats and this would be well within his capabilities.
Your "nobody" excuse have been covered above.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Yeah, and Skotia was also highly dependent upon his implants. That's why Nox disabling them weakened him so much, remember? He was more machine than man.
Originally posted by Nephthys
That's nice. I don't care. A standard Darth like Skotia couldn't beat Count Dooku even if he was blind, weakened and half-asleep. Dooku defeated 3 powerful individuals in such a condition, his skills is that good.
Originally posted by Nephthys
You yourself posted a quote stating that an Inquisitor is a master of the dark side. There are millions of Inquisitor's in the Empire, Legend and they're outranked by Sith Lords and Jedi Masters. Consular's are also stated to be "masters of the Force" and the Jedi Order is rife with them. And they're not all Jedi Masters. Jedi Masters represent a higher level even than a standard Consular.
Inquisitors tend to become masters of the dark side, they acquire decent mastery of the Force during apprenticeship but can become masters of the Force at any point in time irrespective of ranks. Darth Nox became a master of the Force prior to his first confrontation with Darth Thanaton, the former did not challenge the latter until he felt he had acquired sufficient talent and power to take the chance.
Originally posted by Nephthys
So all you've established is that Zash is as good as any regular Jedi and Sith who focuses on the Force.
Lord Zash is a Sith Lord. You know what a Sith Lord is? Dark (Lord) of the Sith in full terms. And you understand what a Dark (Lord) of the Sith represents in the mythos?
The powerful Lords and Darths of reconstituted ancient Sith Empire could be major players in other eras if they had been placed in them. It is that so much competition existed in the reconstituted ancient Sith Empire and that Emperor Vitiate had overshadowed every dark side practitioner. Unlucky them.
Originally posted by Nephthys
I'm rolling my eyes at your inability to grasp what an example is. I never said you stated Ahsoka was on Dooku level, I was making a point about how she's referred to as powerful yet is clearly well below a notable Jedi or Sith.
It reveals that Anakin Skywalker became a powerful Jedi Knight, not Ahsoka Tano.
Your point is moot.
Originally posted by Nephthys
I can connect the dots all you want, but 2 + 2 will never equal 5 and Darth Skotia will never equal Tyranus.
Originally posted by Nephthys
So was the Hero of Tython, yet you disagreed that she could have significantly developed her skills in a years time. But when it comes to Nox, suddenly she can become one of the strongest around from the lowliest slave in a few weeks? Lawl, it feels good to be pointing out other people double standards for a change and this is a doozie.So what? Her combat experience still couldn't have been very high considering the length of time. It's literally impossible.
Darth Nox demonstrated significant skills during his trails by handling various threats inside multiple Tombs, single-handedly defeated several acolytes inside the Tomb of Ajunta Pall at one point, completed such kind of trails that were thought to be impossible for acolytes including defeating a large Terentatek and most notably Khem Val (one of the most feared ancient beings). He became a powerful Force-user around the time of his graduation. Now it is unclear how long his training procedure took but he was an exception to the norm due to his remarkable potential in the dark side at natural capacity.
HoT also demonstrated extremely fast learning curve early on but the improvement process eventually slows down when skills are perfected to their highest degree or close with passage of time. Near the end of Act 2, HoT have already surpassed every Jedi in power and skill.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Lmao! Nox gained Zash's attention by shooting lightning at a rock. She completed a task no-one else had in centuries because no-one else was dumb enough to get frustrated and blast a priceless artifact with lightning.
Originally posted by Nephthys
To fight a weakened Darth Skotia with a Dashade as back-up. Yeah, she sent a mere apprentice.
Originally posted by Nephthys
I've still not heard you establish exactly why a dude needing to be beaten somehow makes them on Dooku's level. Even if Nox did need to do that, Nox isn't even in Dooku's remote league at this point. Put Dooku in Skotia's position and Nox would have gotten massacred.
Your second statement have some basis, it is possible that Darth Nox is not strong enough to challenge Count Dooku at this point but he still have comparable level of understanding of dark arts at this stage. Yes, Count Dooku does not have weakness of Darth Skotia, no cybernetics that could be compromised. Yes, but Darth Nox coupled with Khem Val? I believe in the possibility of victory of this duo against Count, its better then the duo of Opress and Ventress whom Count had to contend with at one point.
Originally posted by Nephthys
I'm the best advocate for the TOR era on the forum and have done more for it than you. People are actively turned away from this era because of your absurd wanking. Until I established Nox's ability, you and others had no idea about her capabilities. And my mind is open. I used to argue against TOR content, but by actually experiencing it I gained knowledge about the characters power. I simply don't take it crazy extremes like you do.
Originally posted by Nephthys
I don't care.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Um, yes. You can't just walk into someones study and kill them on Dromund Kaas. As I said, Zash needed Nox to kill Skotia for her while she was at a party. Therefore she had a perfect alibi and couldn't be targeted by Thanaton for killing Skotia. The whole reason why Thanaton hates Nox so much is because Zash and Nox broke the rules by killing Skotia. Again, you should play the game and then you'd know all of this.
Lord Zash had a plan though, she planned a ritual which would grant her enormous power by consuming Darth Nox but Khem Val prevented this development.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Lol, no it doesn't. TOR is the main source and is the best form in which to understand the era from. There is soooo much more information in there than is presented in the sourcebook. Swtore is just the brief summation of the events that take place in the game. If you want the true groud realities you have to access the source first hand.
So far, I have completed Jedi Knight story and I still insist that TOR Encyclopedia provides concrete information of certain ground realities that may not be properly gathered from the stories.
Originally posted by Nephthys
That's the smartest idea you've had all thread. Though I'd prefer you play the Warrior campaign. We need more people who can argue for the Wrath, and his story should be easier for you to wank since he defeats a powerful Terentatek and one of the greatest Sith Overseers in history while still training on Korriban. The Wrath really does need more respect around here.
Do you have characters in Progenitor server by the way?
Originally posted by Nephthys
Being a powerful apprentice doesn't mean much. Nor does simply being labelled as powerful, as I've established. Do you think Nox is better than a Nightsister? I wonder.... mmm
Originally posted by Nephthys
We're not talking about prime, but you're suggesting that Nox became a Ventress or Jedi Council level fighter in a few weeks at the academy. Which directly contradicts your previous argument that such development was impossible that that short a period of time. It's inconsistent and a double standard. You're just saying whatever makes Nox look better.I understand the content infinitely better than you do. You've never experienced it. All your knowledge comes from single sentence summations. I actually know what I'm talking about.
I wouldn't be arguing in favor of Darth Nox if I did not had access to important information about him. I will try the story, don't worry.