Originally posted by pym-ftw
so can i argue with "i dont like it;didn't happen" mode?Your entire argument hinges on powerscaling which isn't allowed nor makes any sence.
Uuummmmm, DC and Marvel is based off power scaling as well unless you truly believe Spiderman can damage Thor or that Wolverine is a serious threat to Thor.
Who's using the Nu uh argument? You bringing up something for comedy relief is laughable, had nothing to do with Nu uh.
Originally posted by BloodRain
Character statements > your constantly repeated collateral lines.Carv you're either ignoring the point or simply misunderstand what I said. I'll assume the latter, so I'll lay it out again;
It's /not/ about the look or the size, or what small damage was left over. Hence why I'm not bringing up Buu vs suicide Vegeta or the final Cell vs Gohan clash. That's not the point.
It's about the fact that characters are stating that the attack has reached Earth busting level, in one case above, before demonstrating that it could have destroyed them if not for their abilities.
That's what I'm asking you about. Nothing more.
So them saying that the blast will destroy earth means that they can't withstand planetary attacks? Question. Can Cell kill Goku with a blast that doesn't result in the planet destruction?
Originally posted by BloodRain
...what?No, them stating an attack is just below or has just reached Earth level means these characters are being wrecked by Earth level destruction, as it has already been demonstrated.
Which is critical when facing other PBs here.
So anything less than the planet destruction from Cell can't kill a Z fighter?
Fast forward this to 5 minutes and 10 second. The blast that Cell shot at Goku, would it kill Teen Goku, the one that fought against Junior (that tanked a nuke like explosion)? If so, why?
Originally posted by BloodRain
Are you intentionally missing the point?
I think YOU are missing the point. A planet explosion has already been withstood by someone less durable than Goku. Now a blast from Cell against a weaker Goku that leads to the planets destruction, that's a different beast. Planet destruction, Goku can withstand it, Cell power, Goku isn't tanking it. Do you not understand this?
Originally posted by BloodRain
It's my point.. I know the point I myself made 😐These are stated by characters. C'mon, you're the one that jumped on lightspeed based on a punching techniques name.. but their words now mean nothing?
When did they say a planet explosion could kill them though? That's what I'm asking you. Provide the scan you are talking about.
No, based on the facts in the movie he only attacked a section on the galaxy.
Originally posted by carver9To start there's Freeza showing that nameks destruction is a big deal. Trunks makes that 'at that level you'll **** the earth.. ah, no you weakened it' remark about Vegeta as he obliterated a chunk of Perfect Cell's torso, who I must add was actually bracing for the attack. Everyone on Goku's charge, and maybe with bis later KmHmH and self destruction. Finally Buu's attack which would have killed him if not for his superior regen ability.
When did they say a planet explosion could kill them though? That's what I'm asking you. Provide the scan you are talking about.
The PBs only come out when we have chacters say what's happening, so higher leveled attack, not the others. And every time and attack has been stated to be able to PB, it has 'destroyed' the target.
(phone takes too long to get scans, if needed ask me tomorrow for them)
Originally posted by BloodRain
No, based on the facts in the movie he only attacked a section on the galaxy. To start there's Freeza showing that nameks destruction is a big deal. Trunks makes that 'at that level you'll **** the earth.. ah, no you weakened it' remark about Vegeta as he obliterated a chunk of Perfect Cell's torso, who I must add was actually bracing for the attack. Everyone on Goku's charge, and maybe with bis later KmHmH and self destruction. Finally Buu's attack which would have killed him if not for his superior regen ability.The PBs only come out when we have chacters say what's happening, so higher leveled attack, not the others. And every time and attack has been stated to be able to PB, it has 'destroyed' the target.
(phone takes too long to get scans, if needed ask me tomorrow for them)
Lol...that's what DBZ does, they broadcast what said blast is going to do but this doesn't take away from anything I've said.
DBZ is common on dishing out "the blast is going to destroy this...)...drama affect. Example...
Cell... thus blast will destroy the solar system.
Rekoom...this punch will destroy everything.
Goku... if I don't stop Frieza he will destroy the universe.
On and on and on. It is what it is but what we do know is DBZ casual blasts are sometimes greater than their large output of power. Example... Frieza withstood a planet exploding, the Kamehameha time 20, everything, hell, even chunks of his body withstood large area blast from Goku along with a planets explosion but yet, Trunks took him out with a casual attack. Proof that a casual blast from a DBZ character is more powerful than planetary attacks.
Let's proceed. Vegeta withstood this without a scratch.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3h5zFQRW6g0
Blast was so big it was felt on the other side of the planet and seen in space. Do i honestly need to name what killed Vegeta and harmed him?
Goku withstood a nuke as a teen but in the same fight got a hole punched through him with a casual blast. Piccolo shot a casual blast at the moon and leveled it whereas him putting all of his power in a blast meant to kill Raditz only leveled a mountain. This goes on and on and on. The destruction caused by a blast doesn't always means that blast is more powerful than a less destructive one. Goku Kamehameha on cell wasn't close to the destructive force Vegeta used on Cell but it still got the job done. Krillin even got killed by an attack from Frieza that wasn't as destructive as the blast Junior used on Goku but it killed him. Frieza father who was more powerful than Frieza got killed by a casual blast from Trunks which again is proof that A. Said attack is above Planetary and B. Just because a planet is being destroyed doesn't mean that is what's killing these characters, it leans more on who is throwing said power because again, DBZ casual blasts are>>> planetary without the destructive force. Do you honestly believe that Vegeta attack during the Saiyan Saga that was going to destroy Earth is more powerful than all of the attacks Cell hit Goku with? How much effort does Cell or Frieza have to generate in order to replicate Saiyan Saga Vegeta planet busting attack? Do you not understand how much Frieza would have to hold back in order for him to not casually send out a blast equal to or greater than the attack Vegeta used against Goku on Earth that was going to destroy the planet? Vegeta power level was at 16k when be was going to destroy Earth. Frieza power was in the high millions. He should be able to fart and generate more power than Vegeta during that era. What about Piccolo moon busting. He casually destroyed the moon at 350. Do you not understand how much power Frieza would have to hold back in order to not replicate that attack casually. Are you going to sit here and tell me that every attack Frieza hit Goku with wasn't greater than Roshi or Piccolo (power level 350) moon busting attack. Think about it. It's really not that hard tbh.
Originally posted by carver9😕 do you not know what power scaling is? Its saying because Kid Goku did something that a powered up Goku can do it but better. Normally no one cares but trying to take Goku's best feats and scale Broly off them isn't allowed.
Uuummmmm, DC and Marvel is based off power scaling as well unless you truly believe Spiderman can damage Thor or that Wolverine is a serious threat to Thor.Who's using the Nu uh argument? You bringing up something for comedy relief is laughable, had nothing to do with Nu uh.
Originally posted by pym-ftw
😕 do you not know what power scaling is? Its saying because Kid Goku did something that a powered up Goku can do it but better. Normally no one cares but trying to take Goku's best feats and scale Broly off them isn't allowed.
Gotcha. So Tien as a teen can harm Super Saiyan Goku (WTF man).
Why can't I apply Goku durability fts to Broly when everything about Broly is far above Goku? And this was shown in the Anime, and power levels is also a indication of this.
Originally posted by pym-ftw
😕 do you not know what power scaling is? Its saying because Kid Goku did something that a powered up Goku can do it but better. Normally no one cares but trying to take Goku's best feats and scale Broly off them isn't allowed.
Why not? Broly is stronger than Full Power SSJ Goku. He CAN do everything Goku can do but better (aside from unique techniques). You are saying that because it destroys your argument its not allowed.
Originally posted by carver9
Gotcha. So Tien as a teen can harm Super Saiyan Goku (WTF man).Why can't I apply Goku durability fts to Broly when everything about Broly is far above Goku? And this was shown in the Anime, and power levels is also a indication of this.
Originally posted by Dramatic GeckoHulk >>> Spider-man...
Why not? Broly is stronger than Full Power SSJ Goku. He CAN do everything Goku can do but better (aside from unique techniques). You are saying that because it destroys your argument its not allowed.
Does Hulk get all Spider-man's feats? Minus unique abilities? (Webs, SS,...)
Originally posted by pym-ftw
Hulk >>> Spider-man...Does Hulk get all Spider-man's feats? Minus unique abilities? (Webs, SS,...)
If Spiderman tanks a grenade to the chest, yes, that means Hulk could tank it as well. By the way, Broly was blitzing Goku, Trunks, and Vegeta which proves he is faster than them. What is so hard to comprehend? Goku couldn't dodge him at all when Broly broke the mind control and went Super Saiyan.
Originally posted by pym-ftw
Hulk >>> Spider-man...Does Hulk get all Spider-man's feats? Minus unique abilities? (Webs, SS,...)
You are forgetting that Hulk is a green rage monster and spiderman is a man with spider puberty. You can't compare them except for Hulk is stronger than Spider man, so you could safely say: Hulk can lift everything Spiderman can lift, but that's all you can be sure about.
Goku and Broly are both Super Saiyans and work in the same way except Broly is stronger and Goku knows Martial Arts.
So just use your common sense. Broly can use all of Goku's stat based feats but his skill feats do not apply.
Originally posted by carver9the fact your arguing Broly's speed based off Goku's best feats when Goku didn't display anything noteworthy all movie.
If Spiderman tanks a grenade to the chest, yes, that means Hulk could tank it as well. By the way, Broly was blitzing Goku, Trunks, and Vegeta which proves he is faster than them. What is so hard to comprehend? Goku couldn't dodge him at all when Broly broke the mind control and went Super Saiyan.
Originally posted by Dramatic GeckoBroly is a form of SS not shown in the canon, both Hulk & Spidey are radioactive humans. They are about even.
You are forgetting that Hulk is a green rage monster and spiderman is a man with spider puberty. You can't compare them except for Hulk is stronger than Spider man, so you could safely say: Hulk can lift everything Spiderman can lift, but that's all you can be sure about.Goku and Broly are both Super Saiyans and work in the same way except Broly is stronger and Goku knows Martial Arts.
So just use your common sense. Broly can use all of Goku's stat based feats but his skill feats do not apply.