Originally posted by pym-ftw
the fact your arguing Broly's speed based off Goku's best feats when Goku didn't display anything noteworthy all movie. Broly is a form of SS not shown in the canon, both Hulk & Spidey are radioactive humans. They are about even.
Again, no matter how much you dislike it, Broly was faster, stronger, and more powerful than Goku. That IS his fts and it's enough.
Also, lol at him not using his speed during the Broly movie. The star was touching the planet and was about to destroy it. Goku punch/kill Broly (remember, the star was touching the planet, destroying it). Goku flew around the planet, grabbed all of those aliens, Vegeta, Trunks, Master Roshi, etc...in less than a sec and teleported them to the ship. He most definitely used his speed.
Originally posted by pym-ftw
Broly is a form of SS not shown in the canon, both Hulk & Spidey are radioactive humans. They are about even.
LSS Is just a stronger Super Saiyan we see nothing to tell us otherwise. We know he's not canon, Broly doesn't even exist (infact I hate Broly because Goku is the Super Saiyan of Legend). But for him to be in a Broly Vs argument we have to MAKE him canon.
Hulk: Angry green rage monster based of Gamma Radiation.
Spiderman: Bitten by a radioactive Spider.
If you think Spiderman and Hulk are the same then just leave this entire website and spare us your noobness.
Originally posted by carver9so if Batman beats up flash and later on Flash uses his speed to save one million people, Batman is now super fast...
Also, lol at him not using his speed during the Broly movie. The star was touching the planet and was about to destroy it. Goku punch/kill Broly (remember, the star was touching the planet, destroying it). Goku flew around the planet, grabbed all of those aliens, Vegeta, Trunks, Master Roshi, etc...in less than a sec and teleported them to the ship. He most definitely used his speed.
Originally posted by Dramatic Gecko... god your dumb
LSS Is just a stronger Super Saiyan we see nothing to tell us otherwise. We know he's not canon, Broly doesn't even exist (infact I hate Broly because Goku is the Super Saiyan of Legend). But for him to be in a Broly Vs argument we have to MAKE him canon.Hulk: Angry green rage monster based of Gamma Radiation.
Spiderman: Bitten by a radioactive Spider.
If you think Spiderman and Hulk are the same then just leave this entire website and spare us your noobness.
Ss2>>>>LSS first and foremost
Comparing two people of a same race with different abilities... with two people of the same race with similar abilities.
Lss isn't comparable because there are no others ever seen.
Originally posted by pym-ftw
so if Batman beats up flash and later on Flash uses his speed to save one million people, Batman is now super fast... ... god your dumb
Of course not, don't be a twit.
FLash is a speedster Batman is super smart and an awesome fighter. Batman beat him because of that.
Broly and Goku are the same race with the same powers. Broly is just far more enhanced in every way than Goku.
And no one even brought up SSJ2. Stick to the subject. And so far you aren't making any sense at all. Just flawed logic only hearing what you want to hear. Are you just one of those: "Blah Blah I hate DBZ and its overrated and I'm a jerk." Because I'm contemplating just ignoring your blind stupid arguments.
Originally posted by Dramatic GeckoI actually really like Dbz, but I dont need to wank feats to try and justify me liking it.
Of course not, don't be a twit.FLash is a speedster Batman is super smart and an awesome fighter. Batman beat him because of that.
Broly and Goku are the same race with the same powers. Broly is just far more enhanced in every way than Goku.
And no one even brought up SSJ2. Stick to the subject. And so far you aren't making any sense at all. Just flawed logic only hearing what you want to hear. Are you just one of those: "Blah Blah I hate DBZ and its overrated and I'm a jerk." Because I'm contemplating just ignoring your blind stupid arguments.
You said LSs was the most powerful form but it isn't.
Originally posted by Dramatic Gecko...? You want me to prove a level thats not in the canon is different than the numerical versions.
Give one bit of evidence that seperates LLSJ from SSJ aside from being a more powerful version.
Lss might be related to the bulked up pre SS2 but its pure speculation.
Originally posted by pym-ftw
I actually really like Dbz, but I dont need to wank feats to try and justify me liking it.You said LSs was the most powerful form but it isn't. ...? You want me to prove a level thats not in the canon is different than the numerical versions.
Lss might be related to the bulked up pre SS2 but its pure speculation.
I think SSJ2 is stronger than Broly if that's what you were getting at before. In fact I hate Broly with a passion and think Thor wins this thread. Right now all I want to clarify that Broly had better speed than the Z Fighters.
Honestly though. Broly is a wank stain, who is blown up by fan boys. The typical he took on Full Power and Ascended Super Saiyans at the same time yet you could almost guarantee that SSJ2 Gohan could exactly the same thing and worse. Just look at the Cell Jrs, they were all worth one ascended Super Saiyan each. Gohan took 7 of them apart like bubble bath foam. I'm going off topic but I think its clear Gohan SSJ2 was stronger than Broly.
In all honesty the only difference between a LSSJ and Normal Super Saiyans is that LSSJ has a green tinged aura and hair, buff and with stats comparable to weak SSJ2 Gohan at the beginning of Majin Saga.
Based on Trunk's appearance Broly 1 takes place pre-Hyperbolic time chamber.
All I've said is that i never saw Broly blitz the Z fighters at anywhere near maximum speed. Goku and Gohan fly by a building indicating they are for what ever reason at a casual glide. Not to mention my original point of "Broly never dodges" ever.
The idea that Goku used his max speed is insane. The IT should have given the Z fighters all the time that they need, Broly can't sence energy.
I'd put LSS Broly at Android level with an increase in Broly 2 to a SS2 level. Bio-Broly sucked though.
Originally posted by pym-ftw
Based on Trunk's appearance Broly 1 takes place pre-Hyperbolic time chamber.All I've said is that i never saw Broly blitz the Z fighters at anywhere near maximum speed. Goku and Gohan fly by a building indicating they are for what ever reason at a casual glide. Not to mention my original point of "Broly never dodges" ever.
The idea that Goku used his max speed is insane. The IT should have given the Z fighters all the time that they need, Broly can't sence energy.
I'd put LSS Broly at Android level with an increase in Broly 2 to a SS2 level. Bio-Broly sucked though.
You do have a point with the NEVER dodges thing. However it was Post- Hyperbolic Chamber because Gohan was a Super Saiyan. It could be Pre Trunks second turn in the chamber. In which case he'd be slightly weaker than he was at Cell Games.
Let agree that Bio Broly never happened even in Broly Cannon.
Originally posted by carver9Sorry I'm only quoting this part, but frankly y he rest of your post started to defend a topic that wasn't brought up. At least not by me.
Lol...that's what DBZ does, they broadcast what said blast is going to do but this doesn't take away from anything I've said.DBZ is common on dishing out "the blast is going to destroy this...)
This point is a durability one and nothing more. It's about judging what they can take, especially what they can take without suffering too much damage.
They broadcast only the strongest attacks, and these attacks have all been shown to 'kill' the target. If you can refresh my memory to a time where a character is hit directly by a one of these attacks do point it out, 'cause I actually tried thinking about it and didn't come up with anything besides vegeta and the sub planet attack,even though it greatly damaged him.
Originally posted by BloodRain
Sorry I'm only quoting this part, but frankly y he rest of your post started to defend a topic that wasn't brought up. At least not by me.This point is a durability one and nothing more. It's about judging what they can take, especially what they can take without suffering too much damage.
They broadcast only the strongest attacks, and these attacks have all been shown to 'kill' the target. If you can refresh my memory to a time where a character is hit directly by a one of these attacks do point it out, 'cause I actually tried thinking about it and didn't come up with anything besides vegeta and the sub planet attack,even though it greatly damaged him.
Vegeta Survived Kamehameha X4, Spirit Bomb and Monkey landing on him.
Frieza survived Spirit Bomb.
Just to name some from early on.
Just thought of a random point, may have been relevant a few pages ago.
Picollo at power level 3-4,000 was able to blow up the moon. Yet SSJ2 Majin Vegeta (PL = 70,000,000?) used all his power in the kamikaze attack against Buu did less collateral damage, but almost incinerated Buu (who can reform after a planetary explosion).
Higher power blast =/= greater collateral damage.
Originally posted by Placidity
Just thought of a random point, may have been relevant a few pages ago.Picollo at power level 3-4,000 was able to blow up the moon. Yet SSJ2 Majin Vegeta (PL = 70,000,000?) used all his power in the kamikaze attack against Buu did less collateral damage, but almost incinerated Buu (who can reform after a planetary explosion).
Higher power blast =/= greater collateral damage.
That is true, they can control the explosive yield (if you will) of the their energy attacks, and focus it on damage.
Also Piccolo was at PL between 400 and 1200 when he blew up the moon. That blast had HIGH EXPLOSIVE YIELD but probably would do stuff all to Nappa.
Originally posted by Dramatic GeckoAlready mentioned Vegeta's as the only one. Spirit bomb isn't really the same damage type as ki blasts given its ability. Plus even though it wasn't much energy to collect, he was still greatly damaged. (was more looking for the attacks characters state will wreck the earth, like the full power Kmhmh, as every truly claimed one has killed)
Vegeta Survived Kamehameha X4, Spirit Bomb and Monkey landing on him.Frieza survived Spirit Bomb.
Just to name some from early on.
Originally posted by Placidity
Just thought of a random point, may have been relevant a few pages ago.Picollo at power level 3-4,000 was able to blow up the moon. Yet SSJ2 Majin Vegeta (PL = 70,000,000?) used all his power in the kamikaze attack against Buu did less collateral damage, but almost incinerated Buu (who can reform after a planetary explosion).
Higher power blast =/= greater collateral damage.
Exactly. Anyone with common sense knows this which is the reason I put all of that in my long post. Power doesn't equal collateral damage. Frieza withstood the Kamehameha time 20 (remember, the Kamehameha times 3 had enough power to shed earth) whereas Super Saiyan Goku took him out of a fight with a casual blast. Only people who tend to lowball DBZ and not look at facts believes collateral damage = power output. No one and when I say no one i mean NO ONE debates like that. I don't understand why people involved in Anime manga does though. Whatever.