Originally posted by BloodRain
Cool, now back to the thread.Edit: Also what thread? Can't say I was actually readying anything not thread related in your posts..
You all said that Frieza didn't tank a planet explosion because he was on the surface of the planet. I created a thread asking this and two people so far have agreed that even being on the surface it's planet busting. I p med so respectable posters asking them to reply in that thread. Awaiting their response (even though I pretty much know anyone with any sense of logic knows that is withstanding a planet explosion, no matter where you are at on the planet).
Originally posted by carver9🤨 yes...do i have to list all the times ki has deflected things?
So Ki energy acts like a shield now? Ok, with that said, Goku wrapped in his ki energy tanks planet busting power.Dumb statement. Frieza with a minimum of his power is a planet buster. No matter how much you dislike it. Move on.
A ice shards stabbed through Thor. A freaking ice shard. Just stop.
Frieza fired an energy blast through an exposed crust into the core destabizing it... his own admission. I think you need to accept that.
From an amped Iceman... do you think even Base Iceman's ice is regular density ice?
Originally posted by carver9Then I'll ask you this again, which is honestly why sub-planet was even mentioned; Do you know what Stealth is referring to by bringing this up?
You all said that Frieza didn't tank a planet explosion because he was on the surface of the planet. I created a thread asking this and two people so far have agreed that even being on the surface it's planet busting. I p med so respectable posters asking them to reply in that thread. Awaiting their response (even though I pretty much know anyone with any sense of logic knows that is withstanding a planet explosion, no matter where you are at on the planet).
Originally posted by BloodRain
Then I'll ask you this again, which is honestly why sub-planet was even mentioned; Do you know what Stealth is referring to by bringing this up?
That a planet exploded on Goku but he survived a Continental level attack...even though a planet exploded on him. With his logic, no one, and I mean, no one, has survived a planets explosion since they would have to be in the heart of the planets destruction for it to be a valid showing for you and Stealth. Like I've said, the deeming of DBZ characters is laughable at best.
Originally posted by pym-ftw
🤨 yes...do i have to list all the times ki has deflected things?Frieza fired an energy blast through an exposed crust into the core destabizing it... his own admission. I think you need to accept that.
From an amped Iceman... do you think even Base Iceman's ice is regular density ice?
So Goku could tank anything Frieza can withstand by having Ki around his body? I wonder why Frieza didn't think of this? So if Frieza had Ki around his body, Trunks attack would've failed?
Frieza also said before shooting that ki blast into the core of the planet that he used up ALL of his energy trying to free himself from the spirit bomb. You need to accept that and stop trying to ignore everything involving DBZ characters to shine light on Thor. Crazy thing is, Goku said that Frieza could lay waste to a Galaxy. I'm pretty sure a planet means squat to him (especially since it was confirmed before his weakened condition that he can destroy Namek instantly).
Lol, it was still an ice shard. No matter how you put it, Thor was stabbed through. You do know there are other showings of Thor being stabbed through as well right? I can go on for days. You basing a freaking Super Saiyan swinging a sword of unknown properties against a weaker character as a low showing is hilarious, especially when it's compared to Thor being stabbed through by freaking Ice.
Unless you think goku is completely invulnerable unless plot demands him to get hurt... the Ki shroud has been used multiple times to shield others. Did you even watch dbz or are you arguing off a wiki?
Lol, you can't accept that Broly is the first person in the story to bust a planet; Buu in the Canon.
The hypocritical stance is embarrassing.
Originally posted by pym-ftw
Unless you think goku is completely invulnerable unless plot demands him to get hurt... the Ki shroud has been used multiple times to shield others. Did you even watch dbz or are you arguing off a wiki?Lol, you can't accept that Broly is the first person in the story to bust a planet; Buu in the Canon.
The hypocritical stance is embarrassing.
So again, Goku putting ki over his body will enable him to withstand everything Frieza withstood? Also, he had a ki energy over him during the Cell fight and was still heavily damaged. It usually means they are powered/powering up. Nothing more. If what you are saying is the case, I wonder why they don't fight with it up all of the time. Wonder why Vegeta didn't use it when Frieza was ripping through him. Hhhhmmmm.
Lol...Frieza at his first form with a percentage of his power busted a planet and that's canon. Roshi with a power level of 130 destroyed the moon. Piccolo at a power level of 350 casually destroyed the moon. Do the math.
Originally posted by carver9
That a planet exploded on Goku but he survived a Continental level attack...even though a planet exploded on him. With his logic, no one, and I mean, no one, has survived a planets explosion since they would have to be in the heart of the planets destruction for it to be a valid showing for you and Stealth. Like I've said, the deeming of DBZ characters is laughable at best.
Ignoring the calc part, don't you see an issue with the latter part in light of their durability?
Originally posted by carver9because the Ki shround isn't invulnerable... look at SS goku from the cell saga, minus the shroud krillin dropping a rock drew blood vs being thrown through a mountain with it...
So again, Goku putting ki over his body will enable him to withstand everything Frieza withstood? Also, he had a ki energy over him during the Cell fight and was still heavily damaged. It usually means they are powered/powering up. Nothing more. If what you are saying is the case, I wonder why they don't fight with it up all of the time. Wonder why Vegeta didn't use it when Frieza was ripping through him. Hhhhmmmm.Lol...Frieza at his first form with a percentage of his power busted a planet and that's canon. Roshi with a power level of 130 destroyed the moon. Piccolo at a power level of 350 casually destroyed the moon. Do the math.
The irony... you know the magnitude difference between destroying Moons & Earth sized Planets? We have no idea the size or composition of Vegeta (planet), so to speculate its equivalent to earth is speculation.
Originally posted by pym-ftw
because the Ki shround isn't invulnerable... look at SS goku from the cell saga, minus the shroud krillin dropping a rock drew blood vs being thrown through a mountain with it...The irony... you know the magnitude difference between destroying Moons & Earth sized Planets? We have no idea the size or composition of Vegeta (planet), so to speculate its equivalent to earth is speculation.
😂 you using a moment for comedy relief is HILARIOUS. Please tell me you can do better than that. Kid Goku was hit upside the head with an ax and it shattered. Are you really bringing up Krillin throwing a rock and us getting a fun moment out of it (too funny)?
If someone can casually destroy a moon without exerting any type of force. I sure as hell would believe they could devastate a planet if it came down to them exerting their power. The difference in size of Earth and moon is significant but casually taking out Earth moon is in a entirely different ball park.
What are you talking about? Vegeta shot a planetary blast and Goku countered that planetary blast with a planetary blast of his own. I don't think anyone minus you would argue that Goku wasn't planetary during the Saiyan Saga.
Originally posted by BloodRain
Calcs are calcs. I was all for Planetary+ from Freeza up, but that calc coupled with the fact that Earth level PB's have critically damaged the three big bads in DBZ, who would have all died if not for regeneration or great survivability and being saved with tech.Ignoring the calc part, don't you see an issue with the latter part in light of their durability?
Makes sense. That's why I think Krillin could take out Galactus, Thanos, Mangog, and the Phoenix at the same time since all of them have been dropped by far less than a nuclear looking blast. Collateral damage for the win.
Next thread, Master Roshi vs Cell (since there isn't a single showing of DBZ characters withstanding moon busting attacks).
Next thread...Thanos vs Junior.
Look at him being hurt (and appears to be a skeleton) by those blasts from a cosmic cube that only created a barn fire. I noticed something...the people that linger around in the Anime forums are the only individuals on KMC that debate based off collateral damage and calculations in a comic book. Hilarious.
Originally posted by carver9Character statements > your constantly repeated collateral lines.
Makes sense. That's why I think Krillin could take out Galactus, Thanos, Mangog, and the Phoenix at the same time since all of them have been dropped by far less than a nuclear looking blast. Collateral damage for the win.Next thread, Master Roshi vs Cell (since there isn't a single showing of DBZ characters withstanding moon busting attacks).
Carv you're either ignoring the point or simply misunderstand what I said. I'll assume the latter, so I'll lay it out again;
It's /not/ about the look or the size, or what small damage was left over. Hence why I'm not bringing up Buu vs suicide Vegeta or the final Cell vs Gohan clash. That's not the point.
It's about the fact that characters are stating that the attack has reached Earth busting level, in one case above, before demonstrating that it could have destroyed them if not for their abilities.
That's what I'm asking you about. Nothing more.
Originally posted by carver9so can i argue with "i dont like it;didn't happen" mode?
😂 you using a moment for comedy relief is HILARIOUS. Please tell me you can do better than that. Kid Goku was hit upside the head with an ax and it shattered. Are you really bringing up Krillin throwing a rock and us getting a fun moment out of it (too funny)?If someone can casually destroy a moon without exerting any type of force. I sure as hell would believe they could devastate a planet if it came down to them exerting their power. The difference in size of Earth and moon is significant but casually taking out Earth moon is in a entirely different ball park.
What are you talking about? Vegeta shot a planetary blast and Goku countered that planetary blast with a planetary blast of his own. I don't think anyone minus you would argue that Goku wasn't planetary during the Saiyan Saga.
Your entire argument hinges on powerscaling which isn't allowed nor makes any sence.