Ant, all that is nice, but Vader has greater strength feats and force feats, and was stated to be 80% of Sidious. Plus Revan is not nearly as durable as Vader is. Plus Vitiate was on a dark side nexus against Revan.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Nah, I said he had no feats suggesting he can block [b]Vitiate's lightning. I know he possesses the technique, but he's shown none of the ability with it that would be needed. Not every berk with a lightsaber can block lightning of Vitiate's caliber.[/B]
No, you need to go back and read what you wrote.
Braga and HoT managed to momentarily push through Vitiate's lightning, and they haven't the feats to suggest they approach Vader in strength or durability.
Vader can absorb lightning with his blade, and even if some bolts manage to hit Vader, it's not going to take Vader out, given that Vader has tanked far more destruction than what a few bolts that may hit him can cause. Heck, he took a sustained full brunt lightning attack from SK to an opening in his chest plate. He can take some bolts that might pass his saber defense.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Uh, yes he does. I know you're aware of them, so I'm not sure why you're saying this. What makes you think Vader would do better than the Strike Team? Vitiate could easily conjure the lightning storm then hit Vader with his charged burst while he's struggling through it.
Vader is stronger and far more durable than any member of the strike team, unless you could provide some feats for them in those areas.
Originally posted by Nephthys
No it doesn't. It's more about your ability to contain and draw the lightning into the blade. Malgus didn't overpower the Jedi in The Third Lesson because the dudes strength wasn't enough, his lightsabers weren't blown from his hands, he just couldn't contain it and it spiraled around him f*cking him up despite him leaning forward onto his blades and actually trying to stagger through it. Likewise in Deceived, Malgus couldn't fully contain Adraas' lightning and it burned his hands. To suggest that any Kenobi level force user with big muscles can bull through Vitiate's (or Sidious'😉 lightning is dumb, I'm sorry.
No, it's not dumb. When Windu was struggling against Palpatine's lightning, he said he had no more strength left, which would imply his physical strength, unless you think he was talking about TK. Even in the movies, you can clearly see Windu exerting himself physically.
I didn't say Obi Wan can successfully handle Vitiate's or Sidious's lightning, only that it doesn't take a supremely powerful force user to draw bolts onto their blade. Also, your lightsaber doesn't have to be blown completely from your hands to be overpowered by it. As for Malgus, well I can't help that he didn't successfully absorb Adraas's lightning.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Any well trained Jedi or Sith knows about mental shields. That's not how Revan blocked Vitiate's telepathy attack, he did so with a technique he gained through experiencing it first hand. There's no indication that a basic mental shield can do the trick. You think Revan had to be taught about them though his experience? That he didn't know about them when he first walked into Vitiate's throne room? His master was Traya, a notable telepath and he has vast knowledge on the Force. It didn't help him. It won't help Vader.
None of them compare to Palpatine's level of TP except for Vitiate. Vader was the apprentice of the most powerful telepaths in history and constantly tried to hide his thought and emotions from him, so comparing Vader to an average force user with basic shields, is silly, especially since Mara, a mere Emperor's hand, has stronger mental defenses than basic shields.
Also, what special defense did Revan use? He said he shielded his mind from Vitiate.
Originally posted by Nephthys
There's nothing indicating Vader can attack Vitiate while being dominated.
There is nothing to suggest that Vitiate can instantly dominate Vader's mind, so yes, Vader could use a TK attack faster than Vitiate could penetrate his mental defense.
As for Vitiate's domination of Revan and Malak, they were already falling to the dark side, and were mentally vulnerable, plus Vitiate prepared for them. Vader isn't mentally unstable like he was when he was falling to the dark side. He's already accepted his dark side persona and is now a master of it.
Vader has never dominated the mind of someone as powerful as Vader. Even the writer who created Vitiate doesn't even think his TP is that powerful. I'll take his opinion over yours. Unless you could provide some instances that didn't require prep or Vitiate having to render his opponents unconscious first.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Vader doesn't have the feats to TK Vitiate. He is not that far above Revan in that department who couldn't TK an IG who was merely drawing from Vitiate. Revan only hurled Vitiate when his defenses where down and by opening himself up to both sides of the Force simultaneously.
Vader is a superior TK user to Vitiate himself and his feats are better. Vitiate's best TK feats only rival Vader's while he's on a nexus. So yes, based on demonstrated feats, Vader is far superior to Revan. Not to mention Vader would be just as amped as Vitiate on a nexus, which Revan was not.
It's funny how you TOR fans get all riled up when someone suggests Ventress has comparable TK to Revan, but expect the PT fans to accept unsupported claims that Revan's TK rivals Vader's. No, just no.