Originally posted by ShadowFyre
So who in either verse can physically match a nuke? Because ubless they can, Thor isnt even going to be knocked out.
Jane can cripple him with pain. Her brother can just disable his senses. Thor has no defense against these.
And I'm a big Thor fan, but when has he ever taken a nuke?
Twilight = superstrength, exotic powers, Jane, Alice, Edward, plenty of numbers, etc.
Underworld = too many vamps and lycans.
Yep, sorry to both myself and you all again, fellas, but Twilight and Underworld win and win hard here. Pains me to say it as the Twilight movies, save some of Eclipse, are abysmal.
Twihard Wins 2: Twi Harder.
Originally posted by FrothByteWith much regret, yes I have.
Be honest now, have you watched the Twilight movies?
Let's just used the Hulk for this battle. In this battle Hulk would see them as the enemy.
1. Causing Hulk pain is only going to make him angrier which will add to his strength, healing, and speed.
2. No matter how fast they move Hulk is eventually going to hit them. I know Hulk can survive their hits but can they survive his?
I mean Hulk can smash the ground and do other things to disrupt their movements. You add the rest and it overkill.
Please tell me one thing they can do that will put Hulk down.
Originally posted by John MurdochNot seeing it. Exotic powers will help them how? I know of none that will cause the team to lose.
Twilight = superstrength, exotic powers, Jane, Alice, Edward, plenty of numbers, etc.
Underworld = too many vamps and lycans.Yep, sorry to both myself and you all again, fellas, but Twilight and Underworld win and win hard here. Pains me to say it as the Twilight movies, save some of Eclipse, are abysmal.
Twihard Wins 2: Twi Harder.
Originally posted by Kotor3
With much regret, yes I have.Let's just used the Hulk for this battle. In this battle Hulk would see them as the enemy.
1. Causing Hulk pain is only going to make him angrier which will add to his strength, healing, and speed.
2. No matter how fast they move Hulk is eventually going to hit them. I know Hulk can survive their hits but can they survive his?I mean Hulk can smash the ground and do other things to disrupt their movements. You add the rest and it overkill.
Please tell me one thing they can do that will put Hulk down.
No, I don't think you have actually watched them. Because you'd know that Jane's brother can calm Hulk down and Hulk is nowhere near fast enough to keep up with the vamps.
Originally posted by FrothByte
No, I don't think you have actually watched them. Because you'd know that Jane's brother can calm Hulk down and Hulk is nowhere near fast enough to keep up with the vamps.
Wasn't his gift the sensory deprivation one? I am pretty sure Jasper was the one who could manipulate emotions, including inducing a state of calm in those he applied his power to. Either way, there is a vamp that can calm Hulk down. And the sensory deprivation one is also pretty powerful, seeing as it can even remove someone's sight, IIRC.
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Wasn't his gift the sensory deprivation one? I am pretty sure Jasper was the one who could manipulate emotions, including inducing a state of calm in those he applied his power to. Either way, there is a vamp that can calm Hulk down. And the sensory deprivation one is also pretty powerful, seeing as it can even remove someone's sight, IIRC.
Yes sensory deprivation. I meant he could use that to calm Hulk down. I actually forgot about Jasper but that's also a good call. Either one could calm the Hulk down, or even do it at the same time.
Originally posted by FrothByteCalm him down how? I have to look that up again. I thought his wack mist just blinds you not calm you down.
No, I don't think you have actually watched them. Because you'd know that Jane's brother can calm Hulk down and Hulk is nowhere near fast enough to keep up with the vamps.
Originally posted by TheVaultDwellerForgot about Jasper. The only thing is if Jasper ability is so powerful then that should for the most part make the Cullen clan the most powerful and dangerous but it didn't.
Wasn't his gift the sensory deprivation one? I am pretty sure Jasper was the one who could manipulate emotions, including inducing a state of calm in those he applied his power to. Either way, there is a vamp that can calm Hulk down. And the sensory deprivation one is also pretty powerful, seeing as it can even remove someone's sight, IIRC.
How long would it take for him to make the hulk calm down before he was attack or the Hulk attacked him. In this fight the Hulk sees him as the enemy so the mere sight of him would make the Hulk angry.
Question, is Jasper ability more powerful than's Hulk's anger? My assumption is no.
Originally posted by Kotor3
Calm him down how? I have to look that up again. I thought his wack mist just blinds you not calm you down.
It deprives you of your senses. If there is no stimuli to make Hulk angry, then there's no reason to be angry. Or he can deprive Hulk of his senses while Jasper calms him down. And even if Hulk just rampages blindly, the vamps are too fast for him to hit anyway.
Originally posted by FrothByteI don't see the senses ability as a big issue for Hulk when he could just jump free from the effected area.
It deprives you of your senses. If there is no stimuli to make Hulk angry, then there's no reason to be angry. Or he can deprive Hulk of his senses while Jasper calms him down. And even if Hulk just rampages blindly, the vamps are too fast for him to hit anyway.
Jasper is the only one who could really have an effect. Please with the too fast to hit. They would eventually get close and Hulk would hit them. Also if he stomps the ground there speed won't do them any good.
The issue that I see is that I don't recall Jasper using his ability in combat. Two, this is a team battle, could he keep Hulk and everyone else calm long enough for the battle to end? Three is Jasper ability strong enough to keep Hulks anger down?
What is going to protect anyone from Thor's hammer?
Originally posted by Kotor3
I don't see the senses ability as a big issue for Hulk when he could just jump free from the effected area.Jasper is the only one who could really have an effect. Please with the too fast to hit. They would eventually get close and Hulk would hit them. Also if he stomps the ground there speed won't do them any good.
The issue that I see is that I don't recall Jasper using his ability in combat. Two, this is a team battle, could he keep Hulk and everyone else calm long enough for the battle to end? Three is Jasper ability strong enough to keep Hulks anger down?
What is going to protect anyone from Thor's hammer?
Well yeah, Hulk can run away from the battle, but everytime he comes back to try and fight someone he'll have to enter that area where he risks his senses getting deprived.
I don't get this analogy of yours that speed is irrelevant just because the vamps get close to Hulk. The vamps will land hits on Hulk at will and Hulk will be too slow to land hits on them. Plus you forget that the vamps are ridiculously strong themselves. Edward, who claims he isn't exactly a strong vampire, was able to uproot a full grown tree. Do you have any strength feat of Hulk that shows he can take on 2 dozen of these vamps ganging up on him? Remember this is the ENTIRE TWIVERSE, not just a few handpicked vampires.
You keep mentioning Hulk stomping the ground but I don't recall him utilizing this move against multiple fast moving opponents. Since you're pulling the "Jasper hasn't used his ability in a fight" card then I'll have to ask for feats of Hulk doing what you claim.
What's to protect the vamps from Thor's hammer? Well, Jane crippling him with pain for one. Otherwise they could just use speed to dodge Thor.
Originally posted by FrothByteHow does pulling a tree equate to Hulks strength. Really?
Well yeah, Hulk can run away from the battle, but everytime he comes back to try and fight someone he'll have to enter that area where he risks his senses getting deprived. [/QUOTE I don't see how senses equate to emotions.[QUOTE=16100885]Originally posted by FrothByte
I don't get this analogy of yours that speed is irrelevant just because the vamps get close to Hulk. The vamps will land hits on Hulk at will and Hulk will be too slow to land hits on them. Plus you forget that the vamps are ridiculously strong themselves. Edward, who claims he isn't exactly a strong vampire, was able to uproot a full grown tree. Do you have any strength feat of Hulk that shows he can take on 2 dozen of these vamps ganging up on him? Remember this is the ENTIRE TWIVERSE, not just a few handpicked vampires.You keep mentioning Hulk stomping the ground but I don't recall him utilizing this move against multiple fast moving opponents. Since you're pulling the "Jasper hasn't used his ability in a fight" card then I'll have to ask for feats of Hulk doing what you claim.
Jasper is a legit question that you have not answered. Hulk has performed the feat I mentioned. Multiple opponents moving at a fast speed does not equate to Hulk not being able to perform the feat. He could jump in the air or in many different ways to perform the feat.
Composite Movie Hulk Feats
• Speed to dodge bullets and missiles while running.
• Able to deflect missiles while running with his arms.
• Throws tanks like they are toys.
• Survive explosions from bombs.
• Heals fast enough to survive a bullet to the head while in Bruce Banner form.
• Survives fall from thousands of feat in the air from a plane with no issues.
• Healing on par with Wolverine if not better.
• Able to claps his hands together so powerfully that it erases all of the fire and flames from a helicopter on fire.
• Able to smash the ground and cash a ripple effect on the surrounding area.
• Strong enough to strangle Abomination.
This just Hulk and some of what I feel is his best feats. Something to note that you have not answered also. In Hulk's fight with Abomination the mere sight of Abomination made him anger. With Vamps running around hitting him how is Jasper going to calm him down?
Smash the ground or his hands together would knock any Vamps of their feat no matter how faster they are moving.
Originally posted by FrothByteSo the hammer would just stop working because Thor is in pain? Can she even use her powers while moving? All of the Vamps in Twilight as I remember them had to concentrate and stood still when using their abilities?
What's to protect the vamps from Thor's hammer? Well, Jane crippling him with pain for one. Otherwise they could just use speed to dodge Thor.
Sorry for the double post. Could not edit the first one.
Originally posted by FrothByteI don't see how senses equate to emotions.
Well yeah, Hulk can run away from the battle, but everytime he comes back to try and fight someone he'll have to enter that area where he risks his senses getting deprived.
Originally posted by FrothByte
I don't get this analogy of yours that speed is irrelevant just because the vamps get close to Hulk. The vamps will land hits on Hulk at will and Hulk will be too slow to land hits on them. Plus you forget that the vamps are ridiculously strong themselves. Edward, who claims he isn't exactly a strong vampire, was able to uproot a full grown tree. Do you have any strength feat of Hulk that shows he can take on 2 dozen of these vamps ganging up on him? Remember this is the ENTIRE TWIVERSE, not just a few handpicked vampires.You keep mentioning Hulk stomping the ground but I don't recall him utilizing this move against multiple fast moving opponents. Since you're pulling the "Jasper hasn't used his ability in a fight" card then I'll have to ask for feats of Hulk doing what you claim.
Jasper is a legit question that you have not answered. Hulk has performed the feat I mentioned. Multiple opponents moving at a fast speed does not equate to Hulk not being able to perform the feat. He could jump in the air or in many different ways to perform the feat.
Composite Movie Hulk Feats
• Speed to dodge bullets and missiles while running.
• Able to deflect missiles while running with his arms.
• Throws tanks like they are toys.
• Survive explosions from bombs.
• Heals fast enough to survive a bullet to the head while in Bruce Banner form.
• Survives fall from thousands of feat in the air from a plane with no issues.
• Healing on par with Wolverine if not better.
• Able to claps his hands together so powerfully that it erases all of the fire and flames from a helicopter on fire.
• Able to smash the ground and cash a ripple effect on the surrounding area.
• Strong enough to strangle Abomination.
This just Hulk and some of what I feel is his best feats. Something to note that you have not answered also. In Hulk's fight with Abomination the mere sight of Abomination made him anger. With Vamps running around hitting him how is Jasper going to calm him down?
Smash the ground or his hands together would knock any Vamps of their feat no matter how faster they are moving.
Originally posted by FrothByteSo the hammer would just stop working because Thor is in pain? Can she even use her powers while moving? All of the Vamps in Twilight as I remember them had to concentrate and stood still when using their abilities?
What's to protect the vamps from Thor's hammer? Well, Jane crippling him with pain for one. Otherwise they could just use speed to dodge Thor.
So go ahead and post a clip of Hulk stomping the ground to disable multiple attackers.
Edward never pulled a tree, he pushed it (you really shouldn't debate on a thread that you haven't watched the movies for you know). And I see you are sidestepping the question. I asked you to provide proof that Hulk can overpower about 2 dozen vampires ganging up on them if the weakest ones are strong enough to uproot a tree.
IIRC, Jane can walk and talk while causing pain - but I'm not absolutely sure of this. It doesn't matter anyway, she can stay still and just have her numerous other vamps either protect her or move her around. You seem to forget that this is the entire TWIVERSE and Underworld put together.
You listed a bunch of feats for Hulk that are great one on one, but none of them come close to the speed displayed by the vamps nor do they show how he will keep their numerous numbers from overpowering him.
And yes, Mjolnir isn't a sentient being like Dr. Strange's cape (at least it hasn't displayed any such characteristics). If Thor is crippled with pain and unable to command it, it isn't just going to attack the vamps on its own.
Originally posted by FrothByteSo basically you are going to keep saying I haven't watch a movie that you yourself have a mistakenly given powers to the wrong character and continue to not answer my questions. Hulk has never fought Vampires so obviously I can't post a feat of him doing so. So keep your lame argument that he can't smash the ground with multiple enemies. An assumption that you can't obviously back up.
So go ahead and post a clip of Hulk stomping the ground to disable multiple attackers.Edward never pulled a tree, he pushed it (you really shouldn't debate on a thread that you haven't watched the movies for you know). And I see you are sidestepping the question. I asked you to provide proof that Hulk can overpower about 2 dozen vampires ganging up on them if the weakest ones are strong enough to uproot a tree.
IIRC, Jane can walk and talk while causing pain - but I'm not absolutely sure of this. It doesn't matter anyway, she can stay still and just have her numerous other vamps either protect her or move her around. You seem to forget that this is the entire TWIVERSE and Underworld put together.
You listed a bunch of feats for Hulk that are great one on one, but none of them come close to the speed displayed by the vamps nor do they show how he will keep their numerous numbers from overpowering him.
And yes, Mjolnir isn't a sentient being like Dr. Strange's cape (at least it hasn't displayed any such characteristics). If Thor is crippled with pain and unable to command it, it isn't just going to attack the vamps on its own.
Thanks for answering my question about Jasper.
So your basic argument is the Vamps are numerous and fast. Great. How many Vamps equal Hulk? Then you have Abomination and Thor. How many Vamps do they equal? There are only certain Vamps that are even worth mentioning.
Hulk was smashing numerous enemies in Avengers. Thor for melee attack can move his hammer at amazing speed to the point that the hammer is almost not visible as shown in the first Thor movie against the Frost Giants.
You haven't mentioned one feat. I agree to disagree with your lame argument.