The hype/promotion of Sith Emperor is like this:-
- Tenebrae (Pre-ritual, mortal) = supremely powerful in the dark side
- Emperor (Post-ritual, immortal) = capacity as practitioner of the Force vastly increased
- Emperor (in summary) = most powerful Force-user the galaxy has ever seen
So, Emperor is stupendously powerful and way above majority.
However, Thanaton is the only other individual who is labeled as being supremely powerful besides Emperor in SWTOR(E), in the same tier as Emperor used to be prior to the ritual. Since Nox manages to augment his power considerably with combined might of several spirits, he outguns Thanaton and logically joins the TIER of supremely powerful individuals.
- Emperor (most powerful)
(GAP)
- Supremely powerful individuals (Nox; Thanaton)
- Mighty individuals
- Powerful individuals
- Talented/noteworthy individuals
- Average individuals
- Mooks
Pretty sure I auto-win when I got that post, Neph.
Originally posted by Nephthys
I think Thanaton could handle Wyyrok's lightsaber prowess. Thanatons apprentice was one of the greatest lightsaber duelists in the Empire, if not the greatest, and yet the dude never attempted anything against Thanaton. Plus Thanaton possessed Tulak Hords writings on lightsaber forms. And although Thanaton has never shown the ability to deal with illusions like Wyyrlok has, its just as true that Wyyrlok hasn't shown to deal with the ritual Thanaton uses to kill Nox with. Thanaton gets no respect because he's a pompous *******, but he's still easily one of the strongest Dark Council members and does deserve some serious respect. I'd put him at about Dooku level.Ultimately though I do think Wyyrlok put up a much better fight against Krayt than Thanaton did against Nox. And Krayt and Nox are similar in strength imo. So I do think Thanaton will lose this one.
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Originally posted by Nephthys
Well, you should have argued more instead of letting Ant make such silly arguments that it convinced me of the exact opposite of what he was saying.
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TBH though, if you look through the debate between me and LeGenD, the victor was obviously clear. My arguments may have been dogshit but they were still less dogshit than what LeGenD presented.
That being said, the fact you changed your mind on something after reading a debate doesn't qualify as a "omglmfaoantsux" given it's you, so it's sort of not eligible in the polls and all.
Your butthurt here is immense and obviously clear. Please continue on your rampage.
Revan be plowing through this tourney like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrOJ9Sl82P4&t=6m15s
Actually:
["Among the Krath, Exar Kun came face-to-face with another fallen Jedi, whose strength matched his own."]
--The Journal of Gnost-Dural
That was just from Gnost Dural's POV, he didn't assist that battle. However Kun>Ulic later on.
[I didn't know it needed to be said...that part is quite obvious. I was speaking to experience debaters who know about both characters appropriately, not yourself. I apologize if I made it seem otherwise.
No source I have seen suggests Exar Kun gained in lightsaber skill since that encounter. And like I said, the only mentions of him improving was in "power" and in Sith magics.
In fact, for the first half of his second fight with Vodo-Siosk Baas, he uses his single blade. This is perhaps an implication he uses his double-bladed lightsaber for an advantage since no user of that era has seen one yet.]
Incorrect, the Jedi Exiles, the first Dark Lords wieled such weapons.
[Exar Kun couldn't take an advantage in raw skill either (the same skill you are in awe in).]
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[lolwut? Exar Kun's skill in lightsaber combat was equal to that of Ulic Qel-Droma.
In that particular fight, power blows that Exar Kun normally used were not really that used.
If you had the comic, you would know this. It came down to a battle of skill, and they were equals.]
[😂 I was merely correcting you. A spell and then Force stasis is a huge different thing.]
[Exar Kun failed to defend himself against an attack from Odan-Urr, one who doesn't even specialize in combat.]
[And them, look at the difference in power between Odan and Revan, and you will clearly see my argument.]
Odan-Urr was trying to cut him off from the Force and Kun resisted. Odan-Urr was stated to be the Yoda of TOR era, and Vodo the Windu of TOR era.
[Orly? Let us see then:]
--Abilities used in combat--
Telekinesis: Revan is the superior.
Revan.) Downpoured astreoids, ripped large stone-arch ways instantly, and blew open "enormous" durasteel doors with the Force, etc.
Exar Kun.) Force-pushed Sylvar, Force-choked to death a 1,000 year old Jedi, grabbed a holocron and his lightsaber.
And Kun lifted the Sun Crusher which should equal or compensate for that.
Force Lightning: Revan is the superior.
Revan.) Killed Rancors and Rakata patrols, can summon a Force Lightning Storm.
Exar Kun). [Nothing]
Actually you refer about KotOR, and in canon when Revan turned good, we don't know if he had that ability.
Force Blast: Exar Kun is superior.
Exar Kun.) With aid of a nexus, he destroyed a Sith wymn and parts of a temple.
Revan.) [Nothing]
He destroyed that Sith wyrm by his own, it had nothing to do with the Great Temple's dark side nexus.
--Abilities used to aid the user--
Tutaminis & Force Deflection: Revan is the superior.
Revan.) Absorbed and reflected lightning that can turn Dark Council members to ash.
Exar Kun.) [Nothing]
I am pretty sure that if Ulic repelled with his bare hands a deadly laser, Kun should be able to do the same since he got a lot stronger as a Dark Lord.
Precognition & Force Visions: Revan is superior.
Revan.) Greater then even the Echani masters, who can predict battles months ahead, etc.
Exar Kun). [Nothing]
That won't help in a battle.
Force Heal: Revan is superior.
Revan.) Healed himself for Vitiate's lightning attack.
Exar Kun.) [Nothing]
AFAIK Kun healed himself when he destroyed that Sith wyrm.
Force Sense: Revan and Exar Kun are equals.
Revan.) Searched across the galaxy for Meetra Surik
Exar Kun.) Searched across the galaxy for Dark-siders.
--Abilities not used in combat--
Language Absorption: Revan is superior.
Revan.) Drew the Rakata language into his mind and implanted Basic in another Rakata.
Exar Kun.) [Nothing]
So?
Sith Rituals: Revan and Exar Kun are equals.
Revan.) Has knowledge on a vast array of rituals that even made Darth Bane in awe, including the Thought Bomb.
Exar Kun.) Mutated a Massassi warrior, created terentateks, and built a sphere that gathered Force energies for him to absorb.
Too bad he couldn't create a thought bomb, at least Kun created the Golden Globe.
Force Drain: Exar Kun is superior here.
Revan.) Drained Meetra Surik, Merkel, and Malachor V.
Exar Kun.) Performed a ritual to drain thousands of Massassi warriors.
Meetra gave her energy to sustain Revan, nothing says about Merkel on Wookieepedia, and all I know he could harness the Malachor V's energies, not drain anything.
Sith Sorcery: Exar Kun is the superior.
Revan.) Apparently knew more shit then a Sith academy's entire archives.
Exar Kun.) Hypnotized the Galactic Senate and manipulated the Chancellor .
Essence Transfer: Exar Kun is the superior.
Revan.) [Nothing]
Exar Kun.) After a mass ritual, he was able to put his essence in the temple.
Revan is superior in Exar Kun in 5 out of the 7 powers that will be used in the battle to either aid or to be unleashed by the opponents. I accept your concession. [/B][/QUOTE]
