Gremmy vs Kaguya Ootsutsuki

You said my characterization of a meter was off and I agreed it was 3.28, barely larger than three feet which makes it not exactly that much off in terms of calculations. And saying something wrong without saying why it isn't exactly helpful.

The other part was addressing the calculations of size from the other guy as well as power versus the size of her disintegration sphere thing versus the feat shown by gremmy in power:

Basically if a rock the size of Gremmy's entered the atmosphere at the speed it was it would literally destroy a country and cause serious damage to the atmosphere, planet busting. >.> Anything over 3 kilometers, which obviously what he manifested was would devastate the atmosphere.

^ Exactly how is any of that supposed to net Gremmy a win against Kaguya?

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
^ Exactly how is any of that supposed to net Gremmy a win against Kaguya?

Already stated the instance where a win comes into play. Killing the tree or the people its using to power her chakra. Or imagining her sealed, or imagining a copy of the people who can seal her to do so. 🙂 The sphere thing was about showing her power to destroy and I was just characterizing the size because he was saying it was so huge but the susano it was being judged in size by made the sphere only like 3-4 miles large.

Let's be real here: Gremmy will do none of those things. He will probably imagine guns or lava or any number of other things to try and kill her before thinking "maybe I need to seal this one away."

Gremmy has demonstrated that against opponents vastly stronger than him he will insist on doing the ineffective method first.

Originally posted by AuraAngel
Let's be real here: Gremmy will do none of those things. He will probably imagine guns or lava or any number of other things to try and kill her before thinking "maybe I need to seal this one away."

Gremmy has demonstrated that against opponents vastly stronger than him he will insist on doing the ineffective method first.

He used a creation of his own to strike first and murder people while he watched. I don't understand where you think he'd take direct action when we first meet him after he went the secretive route first. He stepped in to wipe out the vice captains because it was simple and he wanted to torture them. Kenpachi shows up then he engages him because he wanted to prove that he could crush the new guys ego because he himself was an egotistical psycho to. He wouldn't engage I think until he tested the waters with Kaguya and figured out how to deal with her like he did in the first place until his ego took over. that is just my view. I am sure it would end up beign a close fight and I have not said that Kaguya would not win in the end perhaps. I just don't like when people say ROFLSTOMP BECAUSE I SAID SOOOO!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by RaventheOnly
Already stated the instance where a win comes into play. Killing the tree or the people its using to power her chakra. Or imagining her sealed, or imagining a copy of the people who can seal her to do so. 🙂 The sphere thing was about showing her power to destroy and I was just characterizing the size because he was saying it was so huge but the susano it was being judged in size by made the sphere only like 3-4 miles large.

Kaguya's not getting power from the tree though. And even if she were, Gremmy would be long dead before he thinks of trying to destroy it. Also she has an omni-directional hair spikes that can pierce any number of Gremmy mock clones assuming of course he's smart enough to think of trying to seal her.

Originally posted by RaventheOnly
He used a creation of his own to strike first and murder people while he watched. I don't understand where you think he'd take direct action when we first meet him after he went the secretive route first. He stepped in to wipe out the vice captains because it was simple and he wanted to torture them. Kenpachi shows up then he engages him because he wanted to prove that he could crush the new guys ego because he himself was an egotistical psycho to. He wouldn't engage I think until he tested the waters with Kaguya and figured out how to deal with her like he did in the first place until his ego took over. that is just my view. I am sure it would end up beign a close fight and I have not said that Kaguya would not win in the end perhaps. I just don't like when people say ROFLSTOMP BECAUSE I SAID SOOOO!!!!!!!!

Kay he sends in imaginary soldiers to test the waters and Kaguya casually dismisses them too.

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
Kaguya's not getting power from the tree though. And even if she were, Gremmy would be long dead before he thinks of trying to destroy it. Also she has an omni-directional hair spikes that can pierce any number of Gremmy mock clones assuming of course he's smart enough to think of trying to seal her.

He can imagine himself as hard as anything in his imagination and would not have to make clones O.o Thats something we know he did. Kenpachi's Shikai release is to cut anything, thats why he was able to do so. Yes she is getting chakra from channeling the life force of the people and their chakra. That is why she could not manifest until the tree was activated by madara.

They aren't imaginary like invisible. He created life. O.o like actual powerful quncy of his imagination with the abilities he imagined.

Lady Kaguya created numerous dimensions(with planets in them) that she can warp on a whim.

Kaguya without plot should beat anyone.

Originally posted by Rikudo sennin
Lady Kaguya created numerous dimensions(with planets in them) that she can warp on a whim.

Kaguya without plot should beat anyone.

The dimension switching part is indeed her strong point. I just wonder what that would do in terms of attack against him. The concept of her ability to create dimensions I am not sure. It seemed like she was just altering the land using the elemental chakra and porting to different parts of the world. She did use a doorway dimensions like Obito's to move to the places she wanted to but I am not sure if she actually created the dimensions.

Originally posted by RaventheOnly
He can imagine himself as hard as anything in his imagination and would not have to make clones O.o Thats something we know he did. Kenpachi's Shikai release is to cut anything, thats why he was able to do so. Yes she is getting chakra from channeling the life force of the people and their chakra. That is why she could not manifest until the tree was activated by madara.

They aren't imaginary like invisible. He created life. O.o like actual powerful quncy of his imagination with the abilities he imagined.

Okay then lets go by using this example, if Gremmy was as powerful as you would lead us to believe, why not just wish all of the shinigami dead? Based off of both what we saw with his fight with Kenpachi and his own limitations, we can assess that it simply doesn't work on people that are strong enough to resist it. Also while I was wrong about Kaguya not getting power from the tree outright, I was right in regards to her active use of the tree. It appears to be a one time deal in her activation.

Not that power considering Yachiru oneshot one of these quincies.

Originally posted by RaventheOnly
The dimension switching part is indeed her strong point. I just wonder what that would do in terms of attack against him. The concept of her ability to create dimensions I am not sure. It seemed like she was just altering the land using the elemental chakra and porting to different parts of the world. She did use a doorway dimensions like Obito's to move to the places she wanted to but I am not sure if she actually created the dimensions.

She as per Kakshi's description able to manipulate things that elemental chakra wouldn't let her. Her control stemmed from creating it which allowed her full control over all aspects. And e already know she can create dimensions.

We know she uses all elements and their kekkai genkai's along with yin and yang which allows her to create the new space and reality in the first place and then fill out out with elements. So she can can create entirely new planets with a lot of aspects. Her creation abilities make gremmy's look like a joke.

You are all neglecting the simple fact that Gremmy has STATEMENTS that are NOT backed up by feats, surpassing that of town level potential.

@ Rikudo sennin: Kaguya doesn't create dimensions, she can warp people to different places via her portals. She can't create planets, or anything like that. Her feats have her at around moon-small planet level. That isn't EXTREMELY high, but it is high enough to physically curb-stomp the entirety of Bleach itself.

Not to mention her monstrous speed advantage, that you are all forgetting. She was vastly superior to Jyuubidara, who blitzed porting Minato, an FTL feat.

This should not even be considerable as a fight.

Just you stupid Bleach-tards giving Gremmy abilities that Kubo didn't.

Isn't Kaguya's GoDama practically planet level? It supposedly was going to destroy the Genesis dimension and create anew, unless I misread something.

Of course, that also begs the question: How large are Kaguya's dimensions? I had initially gotten the feeling that they simply spanned the planet, only the conditions of each actually being altered.

I could be wrong, but regardless her destructive capacity absolutely dwarfs Gremmy's. She was able to shred Sasuke's Susano'o with a few punches--The destructive force required to break EMS Madara's literally created the Valley of the End. Meteor busting shouldn't be anything to her, considering that the impossibly weaker Naruto could bust a half dozen meteors pretty casually in themMadara fight. Each meteor dwarfing the one that was large enough to crush an army of thousands.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
You are all neglecting the simple fact that Gremmy has STATEMENTS that are NOT backed up by feats, surpassing that of town level potential.

@ Rikudo sennin: Kaguya doesn't create dimensions, she can warp people to different places via her portals. She can't create planets, or anything like that. Her feats have her at around moon-small planet level. That isn't EXTREMELY high, but it is high enough to physically curb-stomp the entirety of Bleach itself.

Not to mention her monstrous speed advantage, that you are all forgetting. She was vastly superior to Jyuubidara, who blitzed porting Minato, an FTL feat.

This should not even be considerable as a fight.

Just you stupid Bleach-tards giving Gremmy abilities that Kubo didn't.

U wot? Care to back up that BS?

If you simply want to go by DC, Gremmy's meteor was larger than the ones Naruto and Sasuke destroyed, so it makes Shikai, patched and one-handed Kenpachi physically stronger than all of Narutoverse

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
[B]How stupid are you? You're aware that those ninja were BLOCKADES away, right? That meteor had SUCH a large AOE, that trees THAT far away were blown away. Why do you think they were shaken all the way in the cloud village, COUNTRIES away?

http://i22.mangapanda.com/naruto/560/naruto-2733411.jpg

What about this scan? What about the meteor DWARFED the wind desert, which took three days of ninja's running to cross?

http://i26.mangapanda.com/naruto/561/naruto-2752549.jpg

And this one? Where the meteor is clearly dwarfing forests, mountain ranges, and entire valleys at the same time?

Yeah, totally 1 mile.

The those mountains and the desert are all far behind the meteor you fool. Its like saying the building in front of you dwarfs the moon

Fact 2: The meteor is only half the size of Madara's susanoo which is only mountain sized
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11115/111150904/4020452-5954456846-perfe.png

> 1 mile confirmed!

The same argument applies for Kenpachi being in front of the meteor. Kenpachi appeared comparable to it because he was much closer to the observer than the meteor.
So Gremmy's is half the size of Seireitei, which makes it large country-continent level as a mere city sized meteor can have a country level impact.

Originally posted by Blazing Storm
> Town level Gremmy
> Moon-planet level Kaguya

U wot? Care to back up that BS?

If you simply want to go by DC, Gremmy's meteor was larger than the ones Naruto and Sasuke destroyed, so it makes Shikai, patched and one-handed Kenpachi physically stronger than all of Narutoverse

> Town level Gremmy, who was defeated by Town level Kenpachi. 👆

> Moon-planet level Kaguya, who took on Hamura and Hagaromo, who literally created the moon, at the same time. Two moon level characters at once. That's a moon-small planet level feat. 👆

Care to back it up? How, by posting the scans of Hagaromo creating the moon, Kaguya creating a town sized goudama, the Jyuubi destroying countries with a casual biju bomb.

What? Are you kidding?

That's the gods tree, which dwarfs mountain ranges, that those meteors are dwarfing. Not to mention the CURVATURE OF THE EARTH. Gremmy's meteor is smaller than Karakura town. Nuff said.

GG

Originally posted by Blazing Storm
Shaking =/ Busting. try again. The meteor's speed was the only thing that makes it small Island level.

LMAOOOOO!!!!

The those mountains and the desert are all far behind the meteor you fool. Its like saying the building in front of you dwarfs the moon

Fact 2: The meteor is only half the size of Madara's susanoo which is only mountain sized
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11115/111150904/4020452-5954456846-perfe.png

> 1 mile confirmed!

The same argument applies for Kenpachi being in front of the meteor. Kenpachi appeared comparable to it because he was much closer to the observer than the meteor.
So Gremmy's is half the size of Seireitei, which makes it large country-continent level as a mere city sized meteor can have a country level impact.

Shaking = Effecting, as in "area of effect", which is much larger than Gremmy's. Incomparably so, in fact. The meteor's speed was lower than Onoki's.

Yes, exactly. Those mountains are far away. That doesn't change the fact that the size of the meteor dwarfs the ranges they're in. That analogy makes no sense. You're saying that because of the size, the distance makes a difference, but that's precisely why it doesn't. The mountain ranges are dwarfed by it, and the distance is irrelevant, as the meteor dwarfs that as well. Making it, still, large country sized.

There you go, making shit up again. Stop trying to save face, and actually try debating here. Lying about things anyone can look up just makes you look stupid. Where did you get "half the size of the meteor" from? We've never seen Madara's Susano'o, which is irrelevant, in contrast to the meteor.

And Madara's Susano'o is mountain sized. I already explained, from simple scans, that all of seireitei is mountain sized. I can show the scans again, but at this point, you're just forcing me to repeat myself because you're too far in denial to accept that you're wrong.

Kenpachi struck the meteor from that distance. Again, stop arguing this unless you are also saying his arm is 100 miles long.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Madara's Susano'o is mountain sized.

> clearly less than 1 mile

Yes, exactly. Those mountains are far away. That doesn't change the fact that the size of the meteor dwarfs the ranges they're in. That analogy makes no sense. You're saying that because of the size, the distance makes a difference, but that's precisely why it doesn't. The mountain ranges are dwarfed by it, and the distance is irrelevant, as the meteor dwarfs that as well.

Making it, still, large country sized.

Can't take you seriously anymore

There you go, making shit up again. Stop trying to save face, and actually try debating here. Lying about things anyone can look up just makes you look stupid. Where did you get "half the size of the meteor" from? We've never seen Madara's Susano'o, which is irrelevant, in contrast to the meteor.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11115/111150904/4020452-5954456846-perfe.png

And

I already explained, from simple scans, that all of seireitei is mountain sized.

Another claim debunked!

Kenpachi struck the meteor from that distance. Again, stop arguing this unless you are also saying his arm is 100 miles long.

Seireitei = 100 miles+ (atleast large island sized)
Gremmy's Meteor = 50 miles (large country-continental after taking its speed into account)
Madara's susanoo = 1 mile
Madara's meteor = 0.5 mile - 1 mile

Moon-planet level Kaguya, who took on Hamura and Hagaromo, who literally created the moon, at the same time. Two moon level characters at once. That's a moon-small planet level feat. thumb up