So...exactly what's the main argument as to how Gremmy is going to kill Kaguya. We know he can't just simply think a person dead otherwise he would've done it to Kenpachi or Yachiru...or Kyoraku if he were smart. Furthermore the effect of his power is immediately lost when he focuses on something else.
Kaguya could just use Infinite Tsukuyomi, or BFR him, or impale him with bones before he thinks about it, or mega-nuke him. Kaguya is perhaps the most powerful entity in the HST at the moment.
Originally posted by AuraAngel
If Gremmy should so casually dismiss a being of greater power than him then why did he struggle with Kenpachi at all? Kaguya vastly outpowers Kenpachi. Frankly Gremmy would be like Sakura and Kakashi in front of Kaguya.
Kenpachi is a psychopath that has no understanding of his own power and limits which we don't even understand in the manga yet fully. Gremmy's state of mind is also on the edge. His very power is imagination and that is a double edged sword, for a split second he doubted himself and created his own death in his imagination by imagining Kenpachi indestructible which became reality. He defeated himself because he got psyched out because of his instability. The fact he created a being from nothing that murdered several captains without effort and the knowledge of almost anyone just for fun shes how absolutely dangerous he was to everyone. He, like I said, just unfortunately ran into a complete psycho. If he had fought anyone else he would have murdered them without even engaging them; he got arrogant and wanted to test his strength and break his enemy in a mind game. If he had just gone for the kill Kenpachi wouldn't have survived.
She isn't as powerful as the sage who created chakra to begin with. She only manipulated chakra for war and death. She can only manipulate chakra at a high degree beyond the limits of people, but she requires the power of other people to do it. If he destroyed the tree her source of power would be over. Or he could imagine her being sealed. 🙂 Use your imagination lol.
Originally posted by RaventheOnly
She isn't as powerful as the sage who created chakra to begin with. She only manipulated chakra for war and death. She can only manipulate chakra at a high degree beyond the limits of people, but she requires the power of other people to do it. If he destroyed the tree her source of power would be over. Or he could imagine her being sealed. 🙂 Use your imagination lol.
The Sage himself says his mother is powerful than anyone.
Originally posted by RaventheOnly
Kenpachi is a psychopath that has no understanding of his own power and limits which we don't even understand in the manga yet fully. Gremmy's state of mind is also on the edge. His very power is imagination and that is a double edged sword, for a split second he doubted himself and created his own death in his imagination by imagining Kenpachi indestructible which became reality. He defeated himself because he got psyched out because of his instability. The fact he created a being from nothing that murdered several captains without effort and the knowledge of almost anyone just for fun shes how absolutely dangerous he was to everyone. He, like I said, just unfortunately ran into a complete psycho. If he had fought anyone else he would have murdered them without even engaging them; he got arrogant and wanted to test his strength and break his enemy in a mind game. If he had just gone for the kill Kenpachi wouldn't have survived.
Kaguya is more insane than Kenpachi and has fewer limits. So Gremmy should preform worse against her. 👆
Originally posted by RaventheOnly
The problem with that is that she doesn't really talk and that she actually has a limit she is aware of and fearful of. 🙂
So what? Gremmy will talk whether his opponent does it or not. Or are you implying her not talking makes her somehow less of a psychopath than Kenpachi?
And her "limit" is being sealed by the Sage's tattoos. She clearly isn't scared of anything else and Gremmy does not have said tattoos.
She can't psyche him out if she doesn't talk and mock him in a sense which was the one weakness he seemed to have.
But he can imagine anything 😐 He could imagine the tool to beat her. 😐 And she DID have a limit to her power she was worried about because she couldn't endlessly teleport. Black Zetsu said it over and over again. And that her living batteries were her source of power. She could not even appear until the tree was activated hence smashing the tree or just killing them all would end her source of power and just make her wait till next time.
Originally posted by RaventheOnly
She can't psyche him out if she doesn't talk and mock him in a sense which was the one weakness he seemed to have.But he can imagine anything 😐 He could imagine the tool to beat her. 😐 And she DID have a limit to her power she was worried about because she couldn't endlessly teleport. Black Zetsu said it over and over again. And that her living batteries were her source of power. She could not even appear until the tree was activated hence smashing the tree or just killing them all would end her source of power and just make her wait till next time.
She doesn't need to psyche him out. One attack and the speed to do said attack a thousand times over is all she needs.
He can but he won't. Because he never has imagined something quick and easy except the bones into cookies thing that...well it wouldn't impede Kaguya since she could kill Gremmy with hair frankly.
Also not sure why you're going on and on about the tree. Even if taking out those in the IT reduces her power that doesn't mean Gremmy knows this and more importantly it won't matter because he's already dead.
Originally posted by RaventheOnly
She can't psyche him out if she doesn't talk and mock him in a sense which was the one weakness he seemed to have.But he can imagine anything 😐 He could imagine the tool to beat her. 😐 And she DID have a limit to her power she was worried about because she couldn't endlessly teleport. Black Zetsu said it over and over again. And that her living batteries were her source of power. She could not even appear until the tree was activated hence smashing the tree or just killing them all would end her source of power and just make her wait till next time.
Do you have any idea how stupid you're making yourself look? Frankly, I'm disappointed in AuraAngel for not ending this in the first reply or two.
So why couldn't he imagine Kenpachi dying? HE HAS A LIMIT. HE SAID SO HIMSELF.
Right here, this ends your goofy little, "Oh, Gremmy is god", shit-argument. I can't believe this even became a thing, for christ sake. Gremmy DIED by Kenpachi overpowering his imagination. That simple. HE IS WEAK. HIS IMAGINATION IS TOWN LEVEL. NO HIGHER.
This "argument" is over.
See that small outline near the bottom of the ball? That's a Perfect Susano'o, and those things are iirc a half-kilometer tall (could be off... but it might be taller). They're really big, and the orb is absolutely gigantic.
And this isn't a meteor, or a bomb. This is a giant ball of F-U, erase-everything it touches.
Originally posted by Astner
The scan above shows Gremmy after he was defeated.Gremmy lost because he tried to imagine himself stronger than Kenpachi while simultaneously imagining Kenpachi as invincible.
That was the only limit to his power, he couldn't break the laws of logic.
You're wrong. 👆
http://www.mangapanda.com/bleach/579/5
http://www.mangapanda.com/bleach/579/6
He imagined Kenpachi's power just fine, your assertion is Kenpachi's assumption which he disputes. His body is just too weak as ****.
Anyway, if he was driven into such pants-shitting terror by Kenpachi's power Kaguya will making him a catatonic existential wreck.
Originally posted by NemeBro
You're wrong. 👆http://www.mangapanda.com/bleach/579/5
http://www.mangapanda.com/bleach/579/6He imagined Kenpachi's power just fine, your assertion is Kenpachi's assumption which he disputes. His body is just too weak as ****.
Originally posted by NemeBro
A lack of feats.The fact that he couldn't do anything when faced with Kenpachi, a much weaker character's, power. Take your pick.
Aster's argument is the same as mine for why he was beaten.
"The scan above shows Gremmy after he was defeated.
Gremmy lost because he tried to imagine himself stronger than Kenpachi while simultaneously imagining Kenpachi as invincible.
That was the only limit to his power, he couldn't break the laws of logic."
Did you guys forget the part where Gremmy MADE a Quncy out of THIN AIR who murdered and inured captains? He can imagine people into existence. He imagined a total copy of himself with his own abilities.
Gremmy was a psychopath who didn't follow the normal means of fighting for survival. He was so confident in his own abilities that he neglected just off killing Kenpachi because he wanted to humiliate instead of kill. You guys are not even pitting them against each other. You are just trying to take an easy way out and say she attacks so fast for some reason out of character that he is killed before he can react which is not in his character to expose himself before he observed the situation. He can make copies, he can make people out of thin air to do his work for him. If he saw Naruto he could make a copy of him as well as Sasuke if you want to play with the logic of his power...... you can't jsut say she wins without even really arguing with the premise of the power itself. Kaguya hasn't even really done much that would suggest she was as threatening to him. Everything she can do he can undue and vice versa in terms of manipulation of matter. However, he can create something from nothing instantly which she lacks as she has to rely on a set amount of chakra manipulation that is limited.
Originally posted by Q99See that small outline near the bottom of the ball? That's a Perfect Susano'o, and those things are iirc a half-kilometer tall (could be off... but it might be taller). They're really big, and the orb is absolutely gigantic.
And this isn't a meteor, or a bomb. This is a giant ball of F-U, erase-everything it touches.
1 Kilometer is 1000 meters, a meter is a little less than 3 feet. so you are saying like 1500 feet, that is a little over 1/4 of a mile. There fore the objects diameter is probably 3-5 miles wide.
3.28 feet sorry 🙂 its not that far off
You are thinking of an asteroid. Meteors are smaller.
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What Are The Differences Between An Asteroid, Comet, Meteoroid, Meteor and Meteorite?
Asteroid: A relatively small, inactive, rocky body orbiting the Sun.
Comet: A relatively small, at times active, object whose ices can vaporize in sunlight forming an atmosphere (coma) of dust and gas and, sometimes, a tail of dust and/or gas.
Meteoroid: A small particle from a comet or asteroid orbiting the Sun.
Meteor: The light phenomena which results when a meteoroid enters the Earth's atmosphere and vaporizes; a shooting star.
Meteorite: A meteoroid that survives its passage through the Earth's atmosphere and lands upon the Earth's surface.
Size and Frequency
Every day, Earth is bombarded with more than 100 tons of dust and sand-sized particles.
About once a year, an automobile-sized asteroid hits Earth's atmosphere, creates an impressive fireball, and burns up before reaching the surface.
Every 2,000 years or so, a meteoroid the size of a football field hits Earth and causes significant damage to the area.
Only once every few million years, an object large enough to threaten Earth's civilization comes along. Impact craters on Earth, the moon and other planetary bodies are evidence of these occurrences.
Space rocks smaller than about 25 meters (about 82 feet) will most likely burn up as they enter the Earth's atmosphere and cause little or no damage.
If a rocky meteoroid larger than 25 meters but smaller than one kilometer ( a little more than 1/2 mile) were to hit Earth, it would likely cause local damage to the impact area.
We believe anything larger than one to two kilometers (one kilometer is a little more than one-half mile) could have worldwide effects. At 5.4 kilometers in diameter, the largest known potentially hazardous asteroid is Toutatis.
By comparison, asteroids that populate the main asteroid belt between Mars and Jupiter, and pose no threat to Earth, can be as big as 940 kilometers (about 583 miles) across.
How is an Asteroid Orbit Calculated?
An asteroid's orbit is computed by finding the elliptical path about the sun that best fits the available observations of the object. That is, the object's computed path about the sun is adjusted until the predictions of where the asteroid should have appeared in the sky at several observed times match the positions where the object was actually observed to be at those same times. As more and more observations are used to further improve an object's orbit, we become more and more confident in our knowledge of where the object will be in the future.