Is Revan now Tier 1?

Started by Lord Stark10 pages

Originally posted by Nephthys

Dooku isn't tier 2 and Sidious isn't tier 1. Luke is the only tier 1. Then it's like Yoda, Sidious Tulak Hord blah tier 2. Then Malgus, Revan, Vader tier 3. THEN Dooku, etc etc tier 4.

In terms of power, at least.

I don't think Luke is a tier above Yoda, Sidious, and Vitiate. He doesn't outclass them in anything imo.

S:
Father
Max Potential Anakin

S-:
Son
Daughter

A:
Luke
Yoda
Sidious
Vitiate /Plagueis

A-:
Hero of Tython
Malgus
Revan

B+:
Mace/Dooku
ROTJ Vader
ROTS Anakin

I feel Son/Daughter are more then a "+" above the mortals. An "S-" is better imo.

Agreed, updated.

You forgot Abeloth.

I'm not sure who "Tier 1" is supposed to represent, nor do I care, but the only other people who have come back from death, Sidious and Krayt, both returned a lot more powerful and with new abilities.

S+:
Father
Max Potential Anakin

S:
Son
Daughter
Revan (Post Revival)

A+:
Luke

A:
Darth Caedus
Hero of Tython
Vitate

A-:
Revan (Current)
Yoda
Sidious
Plagueis

B+:
Mace/Dooku
ROTJ Vader
ROTS Anakin

Originally posted by Nephthys
Except the Hero had already beaten Vitiate in an all-out duel by that point. Vitiate is on his knees at the start of the cutscene for a reason. 😬

And the all-out duel consisted of, what, slashing down some illusions equipped with sabers? Considering that Vitiate as shown nothing to indicate he could even handle a saber properly, there's nothing to indicate his illusions are anything but fodder. It all came down to Vitiate spamming lightning until he ran into HoT's saber.

Meanwhile, Yoda went toe to toe with a sith lord--who can blitz top jedi in the prime of the jedi order in seconds. Yoda matched Sidious in speed and skill (most likely even above Sidious in skill). In sheer power, Yoda is a near equal to Sidious who can do this to other powerful force users:

...Sidious has consistently dominated powerful force users with TK alone (and has even dominated both Maul and Savage at the same time despite their efforts to break free from his TK hold, and has easily force pulled both of them off a balcony as he was falling), yet even Yoda managed to hurl Sidious across his office with enough power to cause Sidious to rethink doing battle with him, something Sidious has claimed on waiting a long time for. In fact Yoda's TK was strong enough to destroy entire separatist landing craft that were over 300 meters in width. Not to mention Yoda successfully absorbed a very prolong lightning attack from Sidious, and redirected it in a ball of energy.

But, yeah, HoT rivals Yoda in terms of combat because he defeated Vitiate in an "all-out" duel.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
And the all-out duel consisted of, what, slashing down some illusions equipped with sabers? Considering that Vitiate as shown nothing to indicate he could even handle a saber properly, there's nothing to indicate his illusions are anything but fodder. It all came down to Vitiate spamming lightning until he ran into HoT's saber.

Canonically, it was an "apocalyptic duel". So I doubt it was just killing fodder illusions and Vitiate running into the saber.

Oh, and Vitiate shows familiarity with a blade when he possesses Kira. And he is wearing one in the temple.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Meanwhile, Yoda went toe to toe with a sith lord--who can blitz top jedi in the prime of the jedi order in seconds. Yoda matched Sidious in speed skill (most likely even above Sidious in skill). In sheer power, Yoda is a near equal to Sidious who can do this to other powerful force users:

...Sidious has consistently dominated powerful force users with TK alone (and has even dominated both Maul and Savage at the same time despite their efforts to break free from his TK hold, and has easily force pulled both of them off a balcony as he was falling), yet even Yoda managed to hurl Sidious across his office with enough power to cause Sidious to rethink doing battle with him, something Sidious has claimed on waiting a long time for. In fact Yoda's TK was strong enough to destroy entire separatist landing craft that were over 300 meters in width. Not to mention Yoda successfully absorbed a very prolong lightning attack from Sidious, and redirected it in a ball of energy.

But, yeah, HoT rivals Yoda in terms of combat because he defeated Vitiate in an "all-out" duel.

Cool story, bro. Do you.... want me to spam feats for Vitiate as well?

Originally posted by Board Walker

S:
Son
Daughter
Revan (Post Revival)

Yeah, about that...

Originally posted by Board Walker
S:
Son
Daughter
Revan (Post Revival)

No... just no.

No.... or yes?

Just no.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Canonically, it was an "apocalyptic duel". So I doubt it was just killing fodder illusions and Vitiate running into the saber.

Oh, and Vitiate shows familiarity with a blade when he possesses Kira. And he is wearing one in the temple.

Cool story, bro. Do you.... want me to spam feats for Vitiate as well?

Sure, why not? It'd sure help more than some implications. Just make sure the feats are combat-oriented that have context, not some accomplishments or feats we don't see and/or have no clue as to how they happen.

So showing familiarity with a blade puts him on Yoda's level? Does it even suggest he's capable of holding his own against any good saber duelist? You're referring to that fancy twirl feat, right?

I was being sarcastic. I'm not posting feats that you already know to get into a pointless pissing contest with you. You disagree with the HoT's level. Great, that good for you.

No, I was just correcting you on him not being familiar with a saber. He is. That's all.

Originally posted by Board Walker
S+:
Father
Max Potential Anakin

S:
Son
Daughter
Revan (Post Revival)

A+:
Luke

A:
Darth Caedus
Hero of Tython
Vitate

A-:
Revan (Current)
Yoda
Sidious
Plagueis

B+:
Mace/Dooku
ROTJ Vader
ROTS Anakin


Brilliantly created and thought-out list; the true standard for excellency. 👆

Yeah, none of them approach Yoda's. Not saying Yoda would ragdoll him or anything.

It just irks me that the minute Ventress gets compared to Revan despite her actual showings, people get all riled up. The minute others don't want to accept HoT being on Yoda's level on account of having no feats that compare to Yoda's, it's like "I don't have to prove shit, just accept it."

Well I'm sorry, but it's my opinion. It isn't something you have to accept or not, other than accepting that I can have it. And past experience indicates that I don't really want to debate it's merits with you.

Sorry if I'm coming off as passive aggressive here. I just really don't want to get into this with you because we'll get annoyed and won't change our minds. So it seems pointless to me.

You won't change his mind with all the evidence in the world. Don't waste text.

Leave SIDIOUS 66 alone! Having a "son" who is mentally challenged can be extremely difficult!

Originally posted by psmith81992
You won't change his mind with all the evidence in the world. Don't waste text.

Do. You. Have. A. Wife?

Answer truthfully. lol