Not sure why this point is being argued. On one hand, even if it isn't canon, Maul in Shadow Conspiracy was also unable to track Palpatine's movements.
And even if it is, whilst he cannot visually perceive them, Anakin is able to follow Mace's and Sidious's movements through the Force, so the point is hardly worth talking about.
Originally posted by Sinious
lmaoShy off? I don't ever remember doing that. In fact you have ignored my posts several times where you were out of answers. I've never hesitated to state feats as well. You just feel like you have the right to decide whether an achievement of a character is relevant or not.
Good job pumpkin. I especially loved the part where you said "He contributes to debates"
You just harp too much on implied power and hype. Even if Cart is too strict with feats, feats matter more than hype and implied power. Don't get me wrong, quotes mean a lot and so does implied power, but for the most part they have no connection to the characters from the PT era, and when arguing TOR vs PT, you rely too much on hype.
I never accused you of never using feats, but when debunked, you shy off, and have even went as far as calling others bias for not accepting the notion that Vitiate would easily destroy Vader, which was a rather silly notion.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
Not sure why this point is being argued. On one hand, even if it isn't canon, Maul in Shadow Conspiracy was also unable to track Palpatine's movements.
In Shadow Conspiracy, Palpatine disarmed Maul because of that reason, which is not how he disarmed him in the series. Sidious never sped up on Maul at the end of the confrontation; he overpowered him in strength.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
And even if it is, whilst he cannot visually perceive them, Anakin is able to follow Mace's and Sidious's movements through the Force, so the point is hardly worth talking about.
Even if Anakin can last longer on account of having better battle precognition than the B-team, moving faster that what he would be capable of seeing with his eyes, is a good speed feat considering the speed in which Anakin could see in slow motion with his eyes alone.
I wasn't arguing whether or not Sidious would be capable of blitzing Anakin; only that the writer's used Anakin's perception as a way to describe the speed of Sidious and Windu in their duel, and that it was clearly the writer's intent for them to move that fast. Other than Anakin not being there, there is nothing in the movie to contradict the speed in which Sidious was moving during his duel with Windu in the novel, considering that Anakin isn't a source of speed that Sidious draws from.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
👆We've been down this road before. The forum rules compel us to eliminate that which directly contradicts the movie. The only thing that contradicts the movie is Anakin's observation, not what he observed.
Now that doesn't mean you SWTORians aren't free to put your desperation on display. I invite you to do so indefinitely. It's amusing for the rest of us. 🙂
I messaged you, bro. Don't make me bug you on facebook. You know how impatient I get when it comes to Sidious.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
You just harp too much on implied power and hype. Even if Cart is too strict with feats, feats matter more than hype and implied power. Don't get me wrong, quotes mean a lot and so does implied power, but for the most part they have no connection to the characters from the PT era, and when arguing TOR vs PT, you rely too much on hype.I never accused you of never using feats, but when debunked, you shy off, and have even went as far as calling others bias for not accepting the notion that Vitiate would easily destroy Vader, which was a rather silly notion.
Well, I acknowledge the importance of feats. However, PT characters have the advantage of being portrayed in many SW work. There are tons of information out there about them. Most characters from TOR don't belong to a movie and a lot of characters like Tulak Hord, Darth Jadus, Soa are unknown to us in most ways even though they are depicted as extremely powerful beings in the mythos. So when you're debating PT vs PT, lack of feats has no excuse in most cases but different realities apply in other eras of the EU. Me and other people who have similar opinions simply understand this reality and present arguments accordingly. Besides the whole point of this forum is to present learned opinions based on true knowledge yet Carthage ignores this fact and tries to use the lack of information as an advantage when debating TOR vs PT.
Again, I don't shy off. In fact I'm more open minded than most people here and I don't pursue being undefeated in a debate. I often change my mind after and gain new perspectives. I don't claim to be %100 objective since I have my own favorite characters as well but I don't obsess like "some people" do while debating.
Nope. I don't think any jedi/sith including Luke and Sidious could destroy Vader easily. After reaching a level of power, the characters can stand their grounds to superior foes even if their defeat is inevitable at the end. My claim is that Vader does not stand a chance against Vitiate and that he would lose at the end with no doubt. This doesn't mean that Vitiate would have an easy time against him.