Originally posted by StoicIf you say so.
Bran, once again I will say what I thought, and it is not up for interpretation. Pre Crisis Krytoniams were said to be vulnerable which I am using as the word to express their physical relationship to a form of energy that can hurt them, and not using it in terms of it being a weakness of theirs like Krytonite is. If they are vulnerable to antimatter, because it can hurt them, i believe that the Blue Marvel can also hurt PC Superman, which is what I meant when i said that it could light him up. Not evaporate him like you began to say. This is not something that i ever stated. You stated this. Do not slide that bullshit my way. If a rocket filled with antimatter was able to make PC Superman say that it almost destroyed him in the scan presented by Operator, I do believe that the Blue marvel would indeed be able to light him up, since King Hyperion was not the weak scrub that you are trying to make him out to be. if you disagree with this fine, I will not try to stop you from whatever you believe, but do not attempt to tell me what it is that i was thinking, when i have told you what I was thinking several times already.
Now with that said. Not all explosives are the same, and especially not a ****ing rocket full of anti matter. It's its own little world. Not to mention that was explosive and severely damaging on its own. Blue Marvel's AM on its own is fully underwhelming to compare it to that.
Not to mention the rocket was a goddamned "world wrecking blast". Like how is BM even being compared to that with his bunk ass anti matter?
And again, he was "cutting loose" against King Hyperion. And King Hyperion even took a cheapshot anti matter blast. But as soon as Blue Marvel's strength entered the fray with his energy KH was done. I don't get how we're attributing that purely to AM when AM was a side effect of BM cutting loose and it was continually hitting KH throughout. He is strong. And King Hyperion is nowhere near PC Superman in durability. Nowhere near.
And considering based on the gauntlet (before Vet changes it due to immense butthurt), Blue Marvel is only delivering one punch:
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Superman appears from the past and \ wants to prove to himself and eveyone else that he is a Gee and his invulnerability is as good as there has ever been. He enters this gauntlet of punches to the chest. At what point is he effected?1. A cybernatic arm punch from the Winter Soldier.
2. A strategically placed weakness punch by Karnak.
3. A energy punch from Gauntlet.
4. A full on Chi charged punch from Ironfist.
5. A Master Blow from Black Bolt.
6. A Savage Hulk haymaker.
7. A Horus Claw planetary punch by Hawkman.
8. An Antimatter right from Blue Marvel.
9. An Infinite Mass punch from Flash.
It seems completely ridiculous to assume he hurts PC Superman with it. I'm not nor have I ever argued that he couldn't hurt him over time, but his AM ain't shit and he isn't doing shit to Superman here.
Superman is too durable for BM's whack ass AM, and too durable for his strength. Like I said before, it's basically like Hulk taking a swing at him, considering it's not a weakness, it just amps his strikes.
Originally posted by Stoic
I see that you chose the word weakness. I said vulnerability. Are you having trouble reading what it was that i said? I explicitly said what I meant Bran. Kryptonite is his weakness, magic, reality warping, and antimatter was his vulnerability.
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
And anything can effect Superman... if it's on the right level. That isn't a vulnerability, it's called "the other guy is really ****ing powerful".
You're doing that thing again where you specifically keep pointing something out and then act like a big misunderstanding is had.
If it isn't a weakness, then it's straight up irrelevant. Also magic was completely his weakness.
Superman is also vulnerable to getting punched in the face though, but I wouldn't bring that up with a being incapable of hurting him. The only thing PC Superman was invulnerable to was pussy. EVERYTHING else was either a vulnerability or a weakness. It's really meaningless. All it turns into at that stage is a power competition if it isn't a weakness discussion, which you admitted it wasn't.
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
If you say so.
But even if, and giving you the benefit of the doubt here, but even if, you have to understand that using COIE to bring forth evidence of some sort of weakness comes off completely terrible.
It'd be like me using Silver Surfer getting beat by Galactus as evidence that Nova can "light him up" and later "destroy him based on COIE". It sets a bad precedence, and leads right into a corner.Now with that said. Not all explosives are the same, and especially not a ****ing rocket full of anti matter. It's its own little world. Not to mention that was explosive and severely damaging on its own. Blue Marvel's AM on its own is fully underwhelming to compare it to that.
Not to mention the rocket was a goddamned "world wrecking blast". Like how is BM even being compared to that with his bunk ass anti matter?And again, he was "cutting loose" against King Hyperion. And King Hyperion even took a cheapshot anti matter blast. But as soon as Blue Marvel's strength entered the fray with his energy KH was done. I don't get how we're attributing that purely to AM when AM was a side effect of BM cutting loose and it was continually hitting KH throughout. He is strong. And King Hyperion is nowhere near PC Superman in durability. Nowhere near.
And considering based on the gauntlet (before Vet changes it due to immense butthurt), Blue Marvel is only delivering one punch:It seems completely ridiculous to assume he hurts PC Superman with it. I'm not nor have I ever argued that he couldn't hurt him over time, but his AM ain't shit and he isn't doing shit to Superman here.
Superman is too durable for BM's whack ass AM, and too durable for his strength. Like I said before, it's basically like Hulk taking a swing at him, considering it's not a weakness, it just amps his strikes.
King Hyperion wasn't stated to be vulnerable to antimatter like PC characters were either. The Antimonitor of a few years ago was nothing compared to his PC days either. just goes to show you that comparing present day characters to PC era characters shouldn't be done. This is something that I can not believe that i even have to say to you. Comics weren't written with the same logic that they are today. If you mentioned antimatter back in those days, it was this really powerful source of energy, and given more hype than it was worth. There is a scan of PC Superman nearly having his foot broken by a muffin, so again comparing that era to this one is bad form. Now should i go back to my point? Adam would hurt PC Superman, because he was vulnerable to antimatter. Blue marvel is powerful, and not the weakling that you are trying to make him out to be. let's just agree to disagree, because i have better things to do, than explain the same shit over and over again.
Originally posted by StoicDo you think "anti matter defense" is some sort of built in invulnerability or something?
King Hyperion wasn't stated to be vulnerable to antimatter like PC characters were either. The Antimonitor of a few years ago was nothing compared to his PC days either. just goes to show you that comparing present day characters to PC era characters shouldn't be done. This is something that I can not believe that i even have to say to you. Comics weren't written with the same logic that they are today. If you mentioned antimatter back in those days, it was this really powerful source of energy, and given more hype than it was worth. There is a scan of PC Superman nearly having his foot broken by a muffin, so again comparing that era to this one is bad form. Now should i go back to my point? Adam would hurt PC Superman, because he was vulnerable to antimatter. Blue marvel is powerful, and not the weakling that you are trying to make him out to be. let's just agree to disagree, because i have better things to do, than explain the same shit over and over again.
Also yes, "Achilles heel", but it wasn't really. It was just powerful enough to do it. Also made irrelevant considering what Korvac thinks of the potential of it.
Which is in reference to this particular story where an anti matter core annihilates Red Skull with the Cosmic Cube:
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Which to briefly address that peon Vet, is why I was asking for evaporation feats from BM. Because that's what AM is supposed to do. Evaporate shit.
And I highly doubt they had some sort of vulnerability besides it being just powerful shit. Let alone Hyperion having some better defense against it because *shrug*
PC Superman getting hit by a muffin was a cover of a comic... I think Vulcan beat Gladiator on the cover of the comic where Gladiator ****ing eye gouged the shit out of him
He was vulnerable in the same way Vet is vulnerable of getting loads blown on his chin. It's not a weakness, but it's going to happen.
I never said BM was a weakling, in fact I repeatedly stated he was Thor level in this thread. Unless he has magic, that doesn't make for a PC Superman beater.
Look at Mr "I have better things to do" bigshot over here. Well I just had some ribs, so eat my butt.
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
If you say so.
But even if, and giving you the benefit of the doubt here, but even if, you have to understand that using COIE to bring forth evidence of some sort of weakness comes off completely terrible.
It'd be like me using Silver Surfer getting beat by Galactus as evidence that Nova can "light him up" and later "destroy him based on COIE". It sets a bad precedence, and leads right into a corner.Now with that said. Not all explosives are the same, and especially not a ****ing rocket full of anti matter. It's its own little world. Not to mention that was explosive and severely damaging on its own. Blue Marvel's AM on its own is fully underwhelming to compare it to that.
Not to mention the rocket was a goddamned "world wrecking blast". Like how is BM even being compared to that with his bunk ass anti matter?And again, he was "cutting loose" against King Hyperion. And King Hyperion even took a cheapshot anti matter blast. But as soon as Blue Marvel's strength entered the fray with his energy KH was done. I don't get how we're attributing that purely to AM when AM was a side effect of BM cutting loose and it was continually hitting KH throughout. He is strong. And King Hyperion is nowhere near PC Superman in durability. Nowhere near.
And considering based on the gauntlet (before Vet changes it due to immense butthurt), Blue Marvel is only delivering one punch:It seems completely ridiculous to assume he hurts PC Superman with it. I'm not nor have I ever argued that he couldn't hurt him over time, but his AM ain't shit and he isn't doing shit to Superman here.
Superman is too durable for BM's whack ass AM, and too durable for his strength. Like I said before, it's basically like Hulk taking a swing at him, considering it's not a weakness, it just amps his strikes.
Butthurt? After wading through the dung pile that was your argument? That's a nice example off transference. Hope your ass feels better in a week or two.
Hey genius, know why the missile was a threat to destroy the world? Because it was freaking antimatter, that's why. You know, the stuff that BM produces? Sorry if you don't like it. If you think that that missile compares to a charged punch from BM who can destroy the moon with a punch, K.O. Sentry who you say is a notch higher than BM and put down a trans like King Hyperion in 4 blows, you will never find your head that's stuck inside your ass. Oh, and I see you are still trying to hold onto the notion that BMs antimatter is somehow something other than antimater. This is beyond desperate on your part, its embarrassing. And now, here's some damn evaporation:
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Do you think "anti matter defense" is some sort of built in invulnerability or something?
And the Anti Monitor of a few years ago wasn't full of an unlimited amount of universes. His anti matter was still ****ing shit up though.
Anyway, to address the whole "anti matter vulnerability in Marvel". A couple years Korvac (although weakened) gets beat again with anti matter. The interesting thing here is that he states it could destroy the entire dimension:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Cosmic/16ac.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Cosmic/17ac.jpgAlso yes, "Achilles heel", but it wasn't really. It was just powerful enough to do it. Also made irrelevant considering what Korvac thinks of the potential of it.
Which is in reference to this particular story where an anti matter core annihilates Red Skull with the Cosmic Cube:
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Raw%20power/Tech/CA_v3_019_15b.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Raw%20power/Tech/CA_v3_019_16a.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Raw%20power/Tech/CA_v3_019_17a.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Raw%20power/Tech/CA_v3_019_17b.jpgWhich to briefly address that peon Vet, is why I was asking for evaporation feats from BM. Because that's what AM is supposed to do. Evaporate shit.
And I highly doubt they had some sort of vulnerability besides it being just powerful shit. Let alone Hyperion having some better defense against it because *shrug*
PC Superman getting hit by a muffin was a cover of a comic... I think Vulcan beat Gladiator on the cover of the comic where Gladiator ****ing eye gouged the shit out of him
He was vulnerable in the same way Vet is vulnerable of getting loads blown on his chin. It's not a weakness, but it's going to happen.
I never said BM was a weakling, in fact I repeatedly stated he was Thor level in this thread. Unless he has magic, that doesn't make for a PC Superman beater.
Look at Mr "I have better things to do" bigshot over here. Well I just had some ribs, so eat my butt.
Typically deflective bullshit. You are the one that got peed on, just go home and take a bath and stop whining. I'm sorry BMs antimatter charged punches haven't shown to evaporate [which really is the wrong term you rock troll] matter but that's simply not how Marvel has chosen to depict his power against the level of opponent he typically fights. Did the antimatter missile evaporate Superman, Copernicus? Funny how you don't seem to have a problem with that. You were guaranteed to fall into that trap again with your biased ass. Oh, and the last time I checked, this was still a challenge gauntlet, not a fight between the two characters. Why are you mentioning a "Superman PC beater?" This all screams emotional involvement.
PS- Why didn't the DC antimatter do its job again? I wasn't talking to you, I was talking to the crickets.
Originally posted by Blue Area VetI like your complete inability to read. This has already been addressed in depth. But keep repeating it like you have a point. I want to see the tears well up in your butt as you yell at the wall asking why it's a wall. Maybe your next question can pertain to if I think BM can hurt Superman. Surely that hasn't been discussed either.
Wrong, I'm the smilie😖leep:
So Mr. Swiffer, why didn't the missile "evaporate" Superman again?
But anyway, I think everyone important agrees that Blue Marvel doesn't do shit. Ain't shit to PC Superman. I'm glad that detour has been soundly closed off.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85I think the main take a way here is that I am a DC fanboy. And Carver is a bran dick rider (much in the way Vet is just a normal dick rider of dicks).
So we all agree that Karnak could stop him, and that DS was once more the king of all that is? Good.
Which means that if Carver is just always riding my coat tails, then Carver is also a DC fanboy? The secret is out now.
We did it Carve! We broke on through to the other side buddy! Or was Carver always on that side?
This secret runs deep. Deeper than most men get in Vet.
Re: Pre Crisis Superman plants, sticks his chest out.
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Superman appears from the past and \ wants to prove to himself and eveyone else that he is a Gee and his invulnerability is as good as there has ever been. He enters this gauntlet of punches to the chest. At what point is he effected?1. A cybernatic arm punch from the Winter Soldier.
2. A strategically placed weakness punch by Karnak.
3. A energy punch from Gauntlet.
4. A full on Chi charged punch from Ironfist.
5. A Master Blow from Black Bolt.
6. A Savage Hulk haymaker.
7. A Horus Claw planetary punch by Hawkman.
8. An Antimatter right from Blue Marvel.
9. An Infinite Mass punch from Flash.
Stops at 4 if Iron Fist is treated as magic. (50% chance)
Stops at 6 if Savage Hulk is mad enough. (20% chance)
Stops at 8 if Iron Fist is not magic and Hulk isn't sufficiently angry.
Lulz @ a scan of ultraman being used against Superman. Or Iron fist and savage hulk being able to stop Superman. Guess Captain Marvel isn't magical.
Originally posted by abhilegend
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Or he didn't tank magical lightning from Zeus.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Dismisses the magical bolt of zeus as mosquito-bite 😂
Originally posted by abhilegend
Takes hercules' magical bolts with no problem
But yeah, just because its called "anti-matter", Blue Marvel can do anything with it.
🙄
Pak states that the only way Superman would win a fight against Hulk would be if he could "diffuse the situation", in other words, calm him down, as Hulk is "strongest there is".
Based on that, I would say that a haymaker from Hulk would definitely affect (not effect 😛 ) him.
Interview with Pak
Originally posted by Dreampanther
Pak states that the only way Superman would win a fight against Hulk would be if he could "diffuse the situation", in other words, calm him down, as Hulk is "strongest there is".Based on that, I would say that a haymaker from Hulk would definitely affect (not effect 😛 ) him.
Interview with Pak
And the OP said PC-Superman, not DCNU52.
