Pre Crisis Superman plants, sticks his chest out.

Originally posted by operator616
Yes you totally didn't place Anti-Monitor's am power output the same as BM's.

When you say things like "it's still Anti-matter, unless DC's is different than Marvel's":

.....what does this make me think? If you were in my position how would you interpret this statement? It obviously implies that you are saying that all anti-matter, are the same in terms of power level. Power level being the power output.

Lek Kuen asked you if you can prove BM's am is equal to AM's (something which you, nor anyone else for that matter, obviously can't):

And what was your response to this?

Again saying that all anti-matter, regardless of what it did, is the same.

I clarified that this is not the case. Simple. Because Superman survived a am planet-wrecking missile in Superman #205 while couldn't survive AM's.

Now, if you changed your opinion throughout the debate, that's fine with me and i don't have a problem with that at all. But saying that you never put BM's am on the same level as AM's when you blatantly did (continually saying that "anti-matter is anti-matter" implying that it's the same), that i do have a problem with. Don't burst in anger at me as if i can't comprehend your argument or something.

In regards to "light him up". My response came literally after you outright said that "it would destroy PC Superman". So i figured that throughout the debate you came to the (false) realization that any anti-matter could destroy Superman and passing AM's anti matter as if it is equal to everything else. So don't blame me for the response.

Anyway, im done here. Have a good day.

Thanks for your dissertation on how a firecracker is a miniature TNT bomb. I can't believe you actually are discounting the amount of am while making the arguement that there are at least two variations of am based on anecdotal evidence.

I tell you what, in your mind, does the amount of am that BM typically wields more comparable to the amount contained in the missile or the amount that Antimonitor wielded? Go from there to run the gauntlet.

You know, I am trying to be fair, but you Superman defenders are so beyond twisted it's almost impossible to reason with you. First you compare DC antimatter to Marvels claiming it's way (if course, it's DC universe) stronger. Then comes a scan of a small amount of am hurting PCS. Now the cry is that there are different "levels" (meaning potency) of am within the same DCU. Every thought, theory and conclusion is bent and forged around PCS, a ridiculous, laughable abomination that DC took measures to resolve through crisis. But you still can't see yourselves, can you?

Originally posted by operator616
Yes you totally didn't place Anti-Monitor's am power output the same as BM's.

When you say things like "it's still Anti-matter, unless DC's is different than Marvel's":

.....what does this make me think? If you were in my position how would you interpret this statement? It obviously implies that you are saying that all anti-matter, are the same in terms of power level. Power level being the power output.

Lek Kuen asked you if you can prove BM's am is equal to AM's (something which you, nor anyone else for that matter, obviously can't):

And what was your response to this?

Again saying that all anti-matter, regardless of what it did, is the same.

I clarified that this is not the case. Simple. Because Superman survived a am planet-wrecking missile in Superman #205 while couldn't survive AM's.

Now, if you changed your opinion throughout the debate, that's fine with me and i don't have a problem with that at all. But saying that you never put BM's am on the same level as AM's when you blatantly did (continually saying that "anti-matter is anti-matter" implying that it's the same), that i do have a problem with. Don't burst in anger at me as if i can't comprehend your argument or something.

In regards to "light him up". My response came literally after you outright said that "it would destroy PC Superman". So i figured that throughout the debate you came to the (false) realization that any anti-matter could destroy Superman and passing AM's anti matter as if it is equal to everything else. So don't blame me for the response.

Anyway, im done here. Have a good day.

Never once did I say that BM was as powerful as AM. Like I said, you want to take one statement, and ignore everything else that I said. If you didn't want to get yourself into something as trivial as this, you should have left it alone, or at least read and posted the other things that I said concerning a simple sentence.

When did saying antimatter is antimatter become BM is as powerful as PC AM? When did I blatantly say this? Stop while you're ahead, because if you believe that I ever meant that, I am telling you right now, that I did not mean that or say that. You will not find me stating anywhere in this thread that i said that the two were equal, but more to the tone of if BM has antimatter he should be able to light PC Superman up. This does not mean kill him, or evaporate him.

If you went back and truly read the entire thread, and not just what I stated, you would have seen me ask the question "Wasn't PC Kryptonians vulnerable to antimatter?" Then you would have seen a reply to my question.

Originally posted by Galan007
the entire multiverse was vulnerable to antimatter during the crisis of infinite earths. 👆

Later on you showed me that antimatter even in small doses was not as potent in every case. This is something that I took note of. However I believe that BM could generate as much power as that rocket did since he nearly split the Moon in half with a medal. This is something that shouldn't be seen as that far fetched if he really put everything into one fully powered punch. I mean if he could do that with a medal, I would assume that if he used a charged up fist at maximum power that he would be able to output the same if not more power than that rocket did. Superman was also hurt by that rocket. Hopefully now you will be able to understand why I believe that BM would be able to light PC Superman up under the stips of this thread.

Perhaps you believe that PC Superman would take the hit without feeling it, smile, and say something that the racist writers of that era would write, like "Great punch, you are certainly a credit to your people"? Is this the way that you think it would go down? If so, I agree to disagree. Have a great day.

Originally posted by operator616
Yes you totally didn't place Anti-Monitor's am power output the same as BM's.

When you say things like "it's still Anti-matter, unless DC's is different than Marvel's":

.....what does this make me think? If you were in my position how would you interpret this statement? It obviously implies that you are saying that all anti-matter, are the same in terms of power level. Power level being the power output.

Lek Kuen asked you if you can prove BM's am is equal to AM's (something which you, nor anyone else for that matter, obviously can't):

And what was your response to this?

Again saying that all anti-matter, regardless of what it did, is the same.

I clarified that this is not the case. Simple. Because Superman survived a am planet-wrecking missile in Superman #205 while couldn't survive AM's.

Now, if you changed your opinion throughout the debate, that's fine with me and i don't have a problem with that at all. But saying that you never put BM's am on the same level as AM's when you blatantly did (continually saying that "anti-matter is anti-matter" implying that it's the same), that i do have a problem with. Don't burst in anger at me as if i can't comprehend your argument or something.

In regards to "light him up". My response came literally after you outright said that "it would destroy PC Superman". So i figured that throughout the debate you came to the (false) realization that any anti-matter could destroy Superman and passing AM's anti matter as if it is equal to everything else. So don't blame me for the response.

Anyway, im done here. Have a good day.

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It's obvious imo what he is implying.

This isn't towards you operator but a scan wasn't presented yet, not one freaking scan with evidence of Blue Marvel's Antimatter power output...it's all assumptions. What's the point of providing scans if we can ASSUME a character can do something?

Carver needs pretty pictures to jog his memory of what Adam did with a medal on the Moon, even though he fully knows what happened. Way to go Carver you continue to outdo yourself with every brilliant post. SMH.

Originally posted by Stoic
Carver needs pretty pictures to jog his memory of what Adam did with a medal on the Moon, even though he fully knows what happened. Way to go Carver you continue to outdo yourself with every brilliant post. SMH.

Something made me click on this post to see what this guy said. What does throwing a medal have to do with Blue Marvel's Antimatter?

Originally posted by carver9
Something made me click on this post to see what this guy said. What does throwing a medal have to do with Blue Marvel's Antimatter?

Isn't everything that powers Adam, derived from his antimatter powers? He wasn't born with that kind of strength, nor is it normal for a guy to toss a medal on the surface of the Moon nearly splitting it in half normal by any stretch of the imagination. It's also clear why you clicked on the post, and stated what you did Carver. My thoughts on the subject, aren't up for interpretation, why in the world would I lie about fictitious bullsh!t that has no bearing on my life in general? Huh? What am I talking about? is this your next move? Let me go back to your statement.

Originally posted by carver9
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It's obvious imo what he is implying.

If it's obvious what I am implying, it is clear to me that you believe that I meant something other than I stated. I meant what I stated on the subject, and even went to lengths to clarify my meaning to those that weren't able to comprehend a simple sentence. If it were once, or even twice, it's really no biggie, but when you have to continue to clarify your meaning dozens of times, it becomes apparent that several people here suffer from some sort of comprehension impediment or disorder. with your statement above, it made me begin to believe or suspect that you may suffer from this same problem. Unless you do understand what I said, or that comment was not directed towards me? I wonder which one it is?

Originally posted by carver9
Something made me click on this post to see what this guy said. What does throwing a medal have to do with Blue Marvel's Antimatter?

You mean beside the fact that the challenge involves punches to the chest?

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
That point was made long ago, but dumb ass Bran continues to refer to "BMs antimatter" as if it's something different. It's still Antimatter just like the what was in the missile.

I think you didn't get the point

saying that someone is as fast as the Flash just because they have super speed is a cognitive rigidity just because is "super speed"

It ignores that in comics there are several barriers of speed that breaking them could be considered super speed but not in equal or close amount

Quicksilver has super speed and so is Flash but one is waaaaaaay faster than the other.

The same case with the anti-matter the anti-matter output that AM has is way different than BM's

In case you say they are the same then you will have to prove that Bm's antimatter work exactly the same as AM's antimatter and on the same scale

For example amperage necessary to be felt by a human vs amperage necessary to kill a human vs amperage necessary to cripsy fry a human, none of those are equal amounts but all of them are amps (as in amperage)

Originally posted by Stoic
Isn't everything that powers Adam, derived from his antimatter powers? He wasn't born with that kind of strength, nor is it normal for a guy to toss a medal on the surface of the Moon nearly splitting it in half normal by any stretch of the imagination. It's also clear why you clicked on the post, and stated what you did Carver. My thoughts on the subject, aren't up for interpretation, why in the world would I lie about fictitious bullsh!t that has no bearing on my life in general? Huh? What am I talking about? is this your next move? Let me go back to your statement.

If it's obvious what I am implying, it is clear to me that you believe that I meant something other than I stated. I meant what I stated on the subject, and even went to lengths to clarify my meaning to those that weren't able to comprehend a simple sentence. If it were once, or even twice, it's really no biggie, but when you have to continue to clarify your meaning dozens of times, it becomes apparent that several people here suffer from some sort of comprehension impediment or disorder. with your statement above, it made me begin to believe or suspect that you may suffer from this same problem. Unless you do understand what I said, or that comment was not directed towards me? I wonder which one it is?

Again, what does BM throwing a medal have to do with his anti matter? I guess that means since Gladiator fist destroyed a planet, then his heat vision will do the same or Nova Prime destroying a planet with energy means that he can punch one to dust as well. Do you not understand the difference between someone blasting vs physical strength? Is Cyclops strength as powerful as his optic blast? Is Doctor Strange physical strength as powerful as his Magic? He is empowered by magic just like Blue Marvel is powered by antimatter. Lol...this is terrible.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
You mean beside the fact that the challenge involves punches to the chest?

Understand that part but again, what does 'anti matter' have to do with him throwing a medal?

Originally posted by carver9
Understand that part but again, what does 'anti matter' have to do with him throwing a medal?

It doesn't. But strength and the effects of antimatter on matter has everything to do with this challenge.

Originally posted by carver9
Again, what does BM throwing a medal have to do with his anti matter? I guess that means since Gladiator fist destroyed a planet, then his heat vision will do the same or Nova Prime destroying a planet with energy means that he can punch one to dust as well. Do you not understand the difference between someone blasting vs physical strength? Is Cyclops strength as powerful as his optic blast? Is Doctor Strange physical strength as powerful as his Magic? He is empoweyred by magic just like Blue Marvel is powered by antimatter. Lol...this is terrible.

Leave it to you to get the most fundamental aspect of the post wrong. No one on either side is reference a blast. What are you talking about? A charged punch as shown in comics is what's being discussed, not a blast. Stop talking about a blast.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Leave it to you to get the most fundamental aspect of the post wrong. No one on either side is reference a blast. What are you talking about? A charged punch as shown in comics is what's being discussed, not a blast. Stop talking about a blast.

My post isn't about a blast either. I'm comparing internal power versus external output via different sources. He is comparing antimatter to Blue Marvel's strength which is a retarded way to handle this, which again, is the reason I posted what I posted. Doctor Strange Magical blast versus his physical strength = Blue Marvel physical strength vs his antimatter.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
I think you didn't get the point

saying that someone is as fast as the Flash just because they have super speed is a cognitive rigidity just because is "super speed"

It ignores that in comics there are several barriers of speed that breaking them could be considered super speed but not in equal or close amount

Quicksilver has super speed and so is Flash but one is waaaaaaay faster than the other.

The same case with the anti-matter the anti-matter output that AM has is way different than BM's

In case you say they are the same then you will have to prove that Bm's antimatter work exactly the same as AM's antimatter and on the same scale

For example amperage necessary to be felt by a human vs amperage necessary to kill a human vs amperage necessary to cripsy fry a human, none of those are equal amounts but all of them are amps (as in amperage)

Alright, I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you are trying to be helpful with no other agenda. However, you are repeating a question I have LONG since addressed, which makes it difficult for me to understand why you would make the same assumption.

Bran has changed his point more than once, and he even admitted his first conclusion, that all DC antimatter depictions were deadly and therefore stronger than all Marvel antimatter. HE WAS WRONG. This was proven when DC antimatter failed to annihilate Supermans matter. So the notion that BMs antimatter is fundamentally different from the missiles antimatter is totally unsupported.

So what about the first example, Anti Monitor? This where part of your take mirrors mine, which is that different amounts of antimatter will have different effects. When you compared quicksilver to Flash, you compared like elements in different measures- not dissimilar elements. Antimatter is not measured in amperage by the way, but common sense tells us that bigger effects means Antimoniter had access to more of the stuff. For whatever reason, folks on the other side do not want to accept this simple, logical explanation. There is NO support for the notion that the antimatter AM had and the antimatter contained in the missile were fundamentally different. ZERO, NONE.

Now, I hope Bran understands MY point.

Originally posted by carver9
My post isn't about a blast either. I'm comparing internal power versus external output via different sources. He is comparing antimatter to Blue Marvel's strength which is a retarded way to handle this, which again, is the reason I posted what I posted. Doctor Strange Magical blast versus his physical strength = Blue Marvel physical strength vs his antimatter.

Sorry, but you are wrong again. You can't use examples that don't apply, especially when you are misrepresenting his point. He isnt comparing BMs strength to his antimatter, the thought of which is retarded. He is saying that BMs punch is all the more potent once charged with antimatter as depicted in comics. IF IT WASN'T, THEN WHY THE HELL WOULD HE CHARGE HIS FISTS IN THE FIRST PLACE? The point is his charged fists punch is even MORE potent because of the release of energy than a normal punch capable of putting Sentry in orbit.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Sorry, but you are wrong again. You can't use examples that don't apply, especially when you are misrepresenting his point. He isnt comparing BMs strength to his antimatter, the thought of which is retarded. He is saying that BMs punch is all the more potent once charged with antimatter as depicted in comics. IF IT WASN'T, THEN WHY THE HELL WOULD HE CHARGE HIS FISTS IN THE FIRST PLACE? The point is his charged fists punch is even MORE potent because of the release of energy than a normal punch capable of putting Sentry in orbit.

WTF. He said Blue Marvel almost cracked the moon by throwing a medal. What in world does that have to do with a fist being charged with Antimatter? Cocaine is a hell of a drug.

Originally posted by carver9
WTF. He said Blue Marvel almost cracked the moon by throwing a medal. What in world does that have to do with a fist being charged with Antimatter? Cocaine is a hell of a drug.

You should know because you are currently behaving as if you are impaired. You COMPLETELY ignore the answer provided to your question and asked it against without acknowledgement of said answer. Troll shit.

If he can crack the moon by throwing a medal at it, he is very, very strong.

If he is very strong, he punches very hard.

If he charged his fists and then knocked out King Hyperion with four punches after failing to knock him out before, then his charged fist punch is more potent than an uncharged punch. If it wasn't, then he would not bother charging his fists.

Now even you can understand that. You can stop trolling now.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Now you are twisting things. BM does not want to destroy the universe assuming he could. He sort of like a good guy so don't expect him to be depicted similarly. Secondly did AM punch SM in the chest? If he did, did Superman die? I'll wait.

It's been years since I read COIE, so I don't remember if there's any context(like some prep gave protection from the direct matter/antimatter effects), but Supes took a blast and a couple punches from Anti-Monitor without dying. Got knocked-out(apparently after the second attack), but not died.

Originally posted by Delta1938
It's been years since I read COIE, so I don't remember if there's any context(like some prep gave protection from the direct matter/antimatter effects), but Supes took a blast and a couple punches from Anti-Monitor without dying. Got knocked-out(apparently after the second attack), but not died.

Great. So it didn't annihilate him on touch, correct? More defuncation of Branlor and company's bullshit. Thank you sir.