Originally posted by Shakyamunison
They should excommunicate them or whatever Muslims do. If a Buddhist goes around killing people in the name of Buddhism, every Buddhist organization in the world should excommunicate him. The only people who can take their religious angle away is other Muslims. No one else can do that. So, true it is all of the Muslim nations in the world that have a special obligation to deal with Muslim terrorism because they're Muslim.
I'll bet you there are clerics who have already formally denounced ISIS. The thing about Islam (and really all religions) is that the temporal hierarchies are only effective in controlling adherents to a point. All it takes is some mother****er who thinks he's God's chosen instrument and suddenly the words of Popes, Clerics, Ayatollahs, and what have you mean nothing because they're really just guys and they don't know God's will as well as he does. The other issue is that with Sunnis there isn't really any kind of political hierarchy with the clergy, or hasn't been since the time of the Caliphates.
As it is, very few Muslims actually believe that groups like ISIS are carrying out God's will, and the ones who do aren't likely to be swayed by declarations and symbolic actions of religious figureheads.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
And excommunication will do what exactly?I'll bet you there are clerics who have already formally denounced ISIS. The thing about Islam (and really all religions) is that the temporal hierarchies are only effective in controlling adherents to a point. All it takes is some mother****er who thinks he's God's chosen instrument and suddenly the words of Popes, Clerics, Ayatollahs, Dailai Lamas, and what have you mean nothing because they're really just guys and they don't know God's will as well as he does.
That is the entire point of them wanting to form a Caliphate.
It is outrageous. This whole thing. Why can't their be a task force that arrests people belonging to groups recognised as international terrorists? Or can they do that and their just crap?
Anyhow my heart goes to the US right now. I know it was just one man but just how it happened is just outrageous.
Originally posted by Tzeentch
We shouldn't do anything.Or rather, if we do do something, this incident should have zero influence on that decision. Random American journalist who volunteered to wander around a warzone getting killed isn't worth going to war over.
I disagree. The sick bastards made this guy make an anti-American statement about how our airstrikes are the cause of him being executed and then sawed his head off for the whole world to see. They even made him say "I wish I wasn't an American". Intensity and frequency of airstrikes should be increased several times over. A message has to be sent to terrorist thugs like this that the killing of American citizens will have dire consequences. We already knew how sick they were when they recently killed, kidnapped, and buried people alive including women and children over there. Now, they've gone and murdered an American.
Fortunately, I haven't seen this video. I did some searches for it online because my curiosity got the better of me but it seems to have been removed from everywhere already. I'm actually kind of glad that I can't watch the video. I only saw still images of this poor man beheaded. He was lying face down on the ground with his head on his back. It made me wince a little when the image popped-up on my screen.
Originally posted by Star428Who cares?
[B]I disagree. The sick bastards made this guy make an anti-American statement
A message has to be sent to terrorist thugs like this that the killing of American citizens will have dire consequences.1) They already know that. 2) "Sending a message" is not a good reason to go war, especially when our country is already broke and tired of war.
The only reason we should go to war is for self-defense, at this point. ISIS can make all the anti-US statements they want so long as they keep that shit in the Middle East where no one cares.
Originally posted by Tzeentch
Who cares?1) They already know that. 2) "Sending a message" is not a good reason to go war, especially when our country is already broke and tired of war.
The only reason we should go to war is for self-defense, at this point. ISIS can make all the anti-US statements they want so long as they keep that shit in the Middle East where no one cares.
LOL. Where did I say we should go to war? Please enlighten me. I never said that so please don't put words in my mouth. I said the intensity and frequency of airstrikes should be increased. That does not mean I think we should engage in an all-out war with them.
Oh, btw, it's funny how you quoted only partial of my sentence as if I were calling them sick because they just made him make an anti-American statement. Way to quote somebody out of context, dude. I'll remember that next time I quote something of yours.