Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Unless you can prove that Dooku wouldn't expect an attack when all the evidence strongly suggests otherwise, then you have no case. Hell, after one force choke from Plagueis, Sidious learned to never have his guard down when in Plagueis' presence, so why should I assume Dooku would ever be stupid enough have his guard lowered when speaking to someone who abuses his power and is far more sadistic than Plagueis? There's a reason Dooku shits his pants just by speaking to Sidious over hologram, and TCW episode showed us why.
You are missing the point.
Is their an history of Darth Sidious abusing Count Dooku before this choking event? If you can provide evidence, then your argument would have basis.
So far, this is the first example that I am aware of in which Sidious abused Dooku. I get the scared part but possibility remains that choking action came as a surprise to Dooku if he haven't been abused earlier. I am just highlighting a possibility, not asserting that my point have been validated officially. However, yours have not been validated either, so you should be flexible in your assessment (of this event) like I am. If their is an official description of this event in literature, then present it and we won't be having an argument on this point.
More importantly, I have also pointed out earlier that I actually believe in big disparity between Sidious and Dooku in power and understanding of the ways of the Force. However, I don't think that Dooku would be fodder for Sidious in an actual confrontation, the former might perform as well as Darth Maul against Sidious, if not better, at minimum. Do you disagree?
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Your example with Ventress is bad since she has grown more powerful since Dooku attacked her on Vjun. Regardless, Dooku has consistently manhandled Ventress with the force.
Good point, agreed.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
In fact, he's dominated her and two other nightsisters at the same time with a force attack, which is a sheer level of dominance I have yet to see Revan replicate on another powerful force user.
Now you are shamefully overreaching here.
Revan overwhelmed several officially confirmed powerful Force-users with impressive feats and significant hype under their belt with his raw power, a far greater feat of dominating opponents then the example you cited. You consider these nightsisters to be on par with the opposition that Revan have contended with, you need to get your head examined then (Sorry, didn't meant to be rude). Seriously, I don't really get your mindset.
Consider the example of Satele Shan and her swift dismantling of 3 battle-hardened Sith Warriors with a single burst of an esoteric power:
Now, even this feat is far more impressive then Dooku's feat of overwhelming 3 nightsisters who survived his lightning strike.
However, Revan overwhelmed Satele Shan alongside several other powerhouses with his raw power in a single attempt, a feat which is difficult to comprehend in terms of raw power required to pull this off. Either it flows over your head or you just get it.
In your case, it flew over your head.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66 ^Dooku was not only blind here, but disoriented from being drugged, and manages to finish the fight with a force attack that sends them flying a great distance out of the window as opposed to Revan force pushing Satele and company some feet. During their one on one, Ventress clashed sabers with Dooku for about ten seconds or less before being casually force dominated (anyone who knows about Ventress, knows she's a powerhouse on her own, and has some exceptional force feats).
I have seen this duel. The nightsisters drugged Dooku before confronting him, impeding his vision with it. However, they conveniently forgot that Dooku is a powerful Force-user and can rely on it to sense and keep track of their movements. The duel then began and was intense with Dooku frequently using his telekinetic abilities to disorient the coordination of nightsisters but after a while, the drugs began to take more toll on him and he felt exhausted and laid down his weapon. The nightsisters felt that they have the advantage finally but Dooku surprised them with a blast of lightning which send them crashing outside the window but they all survived which cheapens the otherwise seemingly impressive feat.
In comparison, recheck Shan's decimation of 3 Sith Warriors with an esoteric power. This was not even a confrontation, rather utter pwnage. Shan would easily destroy Ventress in a confrontation.
I am aware of Ventress's actions but she is not powerhouse and a failure of a Sith. You really cheapen the words powerful and powerhouse in you assessments. My generous assessment is that Ventress is average as a Force-user, but a good duelist.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Revan finally has some new feats of attacking other powerful force users with the force that knocks them off their feet and you and Ant get carried away when Dooku's been shown to do this type of thing on a regular basis.
Again, Revan utterly outclasses Dooku in power and understanding of the Force. The only area in which Dooku holds a candle to Revan is in martial arts but this won't help Dooku in a confrontation with Revan either because command of the Force always becomes a factor in effectiveness in martial prowess of a Force-user. Revan with utterly destroy Dooku in a confrontation.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66 @Trocity, that's why I'm not even bringing DE Sidious in this. That wouldn't even be a fair argument.
Emperor Vitiate is a match for any incarnation of Darth Sidious.