Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Total Spent Time for Response: 112 minutesFirstly you make the claim Darth Zannah and Darth Bane has access to all of Revan's knowledge. Revan created his Sith Holocron in 3959 BBY on the Unknown World. The holocron was made as a replica of the Temple of Ancients, and was placed in the Temple of Ancients. Revan only visited this area *once* according to both Rakata tribes, which was when they first arrived on the Unknown World to claim the Star Forge. Revan was never seen again by either tribes until he comes directly before his Star Forge battle. However, they do state they occasionally see Darth Malak and ther Dark Jedi go in-and-out of the Temple, so they do look for incomers, especially when their camps is right next to the Temple of Ancients. The below quotes support this. Darth Revan would have had to of created the Sith holocron in this select time then. Because of this might also be why it was flawed.
"Slightly larger than his fist, it had the shape of a four-sided pyramid-a tiny replica of the Temple in which he stood."
--Darth Bane: Path of Destruction"And now you stand before the Council of the Elders once more."
--Elder Council (Knights of the Old Republic)"...And now you return as our last hope to stop what you started."
--Elder Council (Knights of the Old Republic)"When you vanished, we thought you had forgotten us..."
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The fact the holocron was then "almost completely blank" in symbols also bring up new theories. The symbols of the holocron must be unique and imbued with dark side power. Despite this, Darth Bane mentions the holocron was indeed flawed. It would certainly not be a stretch to suggest that due to this flaw not all of Revan's knowledge, which was limited at this time anyway (Jedi Civil War didn't even begin yet), was given to Darth Bane. There is also the below fact:"The holocron had the ability to block out areas of knowledge that were beyond the user's ability."
--The Complete Star Wars EncyclopediaThis is vital. Darth Bane at this time, according to The Official Star Wars Fact File 134, can be matched in combat and power. He was not the most powerful Sith Lord currently alive, and his knowledge on Sith lore was limited extensively to merely the Academy archives, which merely possessed "scrolls, tomes, and manuals". Some rituals Revan explained to Bane were so intense that he could "barely wrap his mind around their awesome potential." Yet, how about the ones he couldn't comprehend? The one's only a true Dark Lord can master and perform? Darth Bane eventually reaches this point, but as of Path of Destruction, it is clear he is not yet there. Many of Darth Revan's awesome power might have been beyond Darth Bane, and due to his limited knowledge, he didn't know that he was missing out. However by the time of Rule of Two, he learns from his mistake.
"Not surprisingly, most of the information inside the Holocron was hidden, locked away in the depths of its crystalline structure where it could be accessed only through time, meditation, and careful study. It would take many months, maybe even years, before Bane could lay claim to its greatest secrets. And right now there were more immediate concerns he needed to deal with."
--Darth Bane: Rule of TwoIt states that it would take years to unlock all of Freedon Nadd's knowledge. He didn't have this time for Revan's. He merely had a few weeks to comprehend the entire database of Malachor V, Korriban, and all the other worlds Revan came across. He simply can not unlock all this knowledge in such short time. Revan's holocron was flawed, and while it did prove extremely useful, it was not merely the limits of Revan like you suggest.
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You are really overestimated sorcery and holocrons, bae. Darth Krayt, despite having in possession a shit ton of the Lords who came before him, was not invincible. Kam Solusar and Tionne Solusar studied the Telos Holocron, but they didn't harness the knowledge of every Sith Lord before them either. 😬 And honestly saying an unknown sorcery attack will be the deciding factor of a 13 page debate is insane. 😐 The entire Jedi Council's power was not able to overcome Revan's will, there is really no way Darth Zannah could. The two times Darth Zannah unleashes sorecery, she has time in between to gather her strength. The first time she was able to seize the moment on hesitation, the second time she was a nice distance away from Bane and notably gathered her strength. Darth Bane even knew what she was doing before it happened. These circumstantial advantages will not happen against Revan. There will be no Battle Meditation to distract Revan or a grave for Zannah to trip on."The big man hesitated, casting a quick glance over toward the others to see what had happened. Seizing the opportunity, Zannah's fingers flickered in strange patterns as she unleashed her Sith sorcery at her foe."
"Opening herself up to the power of the dark side, Zannah reached out and touched the mind of her master. Bane sensed the attack, bracing herself."
Originally posted by Nephthys
I'd be more than happy to now, since I have no actual arguments from you at the moment and you've basically conceded.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Because you wanted to restart... and agreed on it?
If not, I would have loved to see you reply to my 3,312 word response.
And apparently you did too so who cares? Why are you saying I lose when we both agreed to it?
That response was that one where you went ****ing insane and started arguing that Zannah prepped up and used a force shield in her sleep. Not worth my time. I remember I was having that massive debate with Beniboy at the time and I seriously couldn't be bothered to deal with your insanity afterwards or actually waste time pointing out why you were being idiotic. I am still right here though, willing and able to carry on the debate any time. I will respond to the above post if you want me to. I will continue to debate Zannah vs Revan at any point you want.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Funny part is you could never prove me wrong on that... and still haven't.I wish I had the time available now that I did in the summer. (I don't.)
I can't prove the flying spaghetti monster false either, doesn't make it any less stupid. That argument was gods honest, the dumbest damn thing you've ever said to me.