Darth Zannah vs Revan Reborn

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Originally posted by chilled monkey
Let's see, off the top of my head, Revan has defeated:

Darth Malak
Darth Bandon
Bastila Shan
Juhani

Juhani is featless dude. Bandon has nothing of note. Bastila and Malak are his only legitimate 1v1 duels

Except you know, Canderous Ondo calling him the greatest warrior of the age.

Not at all what Neph meant, he may be "the greatest warrior of the age" but that remains open to interpretation and speculation.

You mean besides being incredibly skilled and unpredictable in battle (which as noted Zannah has huge trouble against).

Not as unpredictable as Bane, that's not me bragging that's a fact, but it also doesn't change the fact that She took down Bane, while masters of lightsaber combat fell to him.

Doubtful. Revan was able to mentally influence the Sith Emperor himself for centuries. He can shrug of Zannah's illusions like they're nothing.

Yeah, for as much as Revan's fans try to wank that "uber powerful" mental feat of his. they tend to forget one tiny, itty bitty detail. Oh what could it be?
Oh yeah, he Needed to draw on Meetra's power to accomplish that!!

"Meetra was allowing Revan to feed off her. Her sustenance strengthened his resolve whenever he grew weak, refreshing and restoring him so he could continue his never-ending mental war."
- Star Wars: Revan

Let's be real here. Revan is one of the greats. He's up there with Luke Skywalker, Yoda, the Hero of Tython etc. The best of the best.

Arguable and the same could also be said for Bane - who was beaten by Zannah.

Zannah is just out of her league.
Juhani is featless dude. Bandon has nothing of note. Bastila and Malak are his only legitimate 1v1 duels

Sarro is featless dude. And Set Harth has done nothing of note. Bane is her only legitimate duel, and she only beat him by drawing on a nexus and because he was old and weak.

Not at all what Neph meant, he may be "the greatest warrior of the age" but that remains open to interpretation and speculation.

I have yet to see any accolade calling Zannah best of anything.

Not as unpredictable as Bane, that's not me bragging that's a fact, but it also doesn't change the fact that She took down Bane, while masters of lightsaber combat fell to him.

Bane being "unpredictable" is Zannah's characterization/opinion not a fact. It doesn't change the fact that she was losing to an old man, and that she needed a nexus in order to kill him. Revan defeated an amped Malak who is considered one of the most powerful Sith lords in the same vein as Kun, Krayt, and others- Bane also has no feats to suggest he is a master duelist.

Yeah, for as much as Revan's fans try to wank that "uber powerful" mental feat of his. they tend to forget one tiny, itty bitty detail. Oh what could it be?
Oh yeah, he Needed to draw on Meetra's power to accomplish that!!

Like Zannah needed the Tython nexus to affect Sarro, needed the Ambrian nexus to hit Bane with tendrils etc?

Arguable and the same could also be said for Bane - who was beaten by Zannah.

Bane has no dueling feats apart from beating Sirrak by virtue of his own skill. Putting him on the same tier as Revan is hilarious, he is beneath Revan as is Zannah

Originally posted by chilled monkey
Let's see, off the top of my head, Revan has defeated:

Darth Malak
Darth Bandon
Bastila Shan
Juhani
Dozens of Dark Jedi and Sith grunts

YouTube video

Did you miss the part where I said "lightsaber fight"? None of what you just said has been confirmed to have been done with Revan's lightsaber skill.

Originally posted by chilled monkey
Except you know, Canderous Ondo calling him the greatest warrior of the age.

Canderous worshipped him for his strategies. And that statement doesn't mean anything with regards to his lightsaber skill. Stick the Barsen'thor in that era and she'd be it's greatest warrior, but not for her swordsmanship.

Originally posted by chilled monkey
You mean besides being incredibly skilled and unpredictable in battle (which as noted Zannah has huge trouble against).

Excpet he isn't incredibly unpredictable and Zannah doesn't have huge trouble against that.

Originally posted by chilled monkey
Not really, seeing as his telekinetic abilities are far stronger.

No, they're not. If Darth Bane felt he had no advantage over Zannah, neither does Revan.

Originally posted by chilled monkey
Doubtful. Revan was able to mentally influence the Sith Emperor himself for centuries. He can shrug of Zannah's illusions like they're nothing.

Let's be real here. Revan is one of the greats. He's up there with Luke Skywalker, Yoda, the Hero of Tython etc. The best of the best.

Zannah is just out of her league.

Oh, you mean when Revan was tortured for 300 years and went completely insane? Yes, surely that will let him shrug off her mental attack that targets his fears and instabilities. Revan has a strong mind but he is also incredibly unstable and had a truckload of issues for Zannah's technique to target.

And Bane and Zannah aren't? 😬

Originally posted by Nephthys
YouTube video

Did you miss the part where I said "lightsaber fight"? None of what you just said has been confirmed to have been done with Revan's lightsaber skill.


Except, you know, all of them, bar Malak.


Canderous worshipped him for his strategies. And that statement doesn't mean anything with regards to his lightsaber skill. Stick the Barsen'thor in that era and she'd be it's greatest warrior, but not for her swordsmanship.

No they wouldn't. Canderous also said that because of Revan's handling of Mandalore. Not to mention the countless Echani he slaughtered once returning to Republic space where is his speed really can't be denied. The fact that some of the most naturally talented warriors in the galaxy, including one of their greatest generals, couldn't keep up with Revan's speed and skill speaks volumes. His handling of Imperial guards no less.

Excpet he isn't incredibly unpredictable and Zannah doesn't have huge trouble against that.

Except he is and she does.


No, they're not. If Darth Bane felt he had no advantage over Zannah, neither does Revan.

Bane was kicking Zannah's ass and would have destroyed her without her tendrils, which she doesn't have here.


Oh, you mean when Revan was tortured for 300 years and went completely insane? Yes, surely that will let him shrug off her mental attack that targets his fears and instabilities. Revan has a strong mind but he is also incredibly unstable and had a truckload of issues for Zannah's technique to target.

Because Zannah has 300 hundred years and has mental abilities comparable to Vitiate's. Because Zannah has time to even use her illusions before having to throw up shields to counteract Revan's Force abilities.

And Bane and Zannah aren't? 😬

Zannah getting her ass handed to her on almost every occasion without Bane's help doesn't make her great. Her most impressive victory, Bane, is hardly something that I would call making her great.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Except, you know, all of them, bar Malak.

o wow really? well if u say so

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
No they wouldn't. Canderous also said that because of Revan's handling of Mandalore. Not to mention the countless Echani he slaughtered once returning to Republic space where is his speed really can't be denied. The fact that some of the most naturally talented warriors in the galaxy, including one of their greatest generals, couldn't keep up with Revan's speed and skill speaks volumes. His handling of Imperial guards no less.

The Barsen'thor would clean house in the Kotor era. And it doesn't matter what Canderous was referring to since I know it wasn't to something that is actually provably indicative of his lightsaber skills. Beating Mandalore could have been done with the Force. Beating Echani could have been done with the Force. Theres not much that solidly establishes Revan's lightsaber ability. As Fated said, its all open to interpretation and speculation.

And also none of the people you mentioned used lightsabers. So they don't prove much about him ability in a lightsaber fight.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Except he is and she does.

It's been established that Revan's supposed unpredictability is just a load of wank that Ant pulled out of his nethers. And Zannah was only being slowly pushed back by Bane constantly changing the angles of his attacks, he wasn't actually pressuring her defense.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Bane was kicking Zannah's ass and would have destroyed her without her tendrils, which she doesn't have here.

Nah man, you're exaggerating Bane's performance. And Bane is superior to Revan anyway, as even Ant admits, so him doing well against Zannah doesn't establish that Revan would too.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Because Zannah has 300 hundred years and has mental abilities comparable to Vitiate's. Because Zannah has time to even use her illusions before having to throw up shields to counteract Revan's Force abilities.

Except Zannah isn't trying to dominate his mind like Vitiate. She's manifesting his deepest fears and vulnerabilities, which Revan has in abundance and is basically a raving genocidal lunatic. His many, many failings will make for easy prey for her attack.

Zannah is faster than Revan, she'll be able to attack him first. If she could get in the attack against Bane, she will be able to do so against Revan. And in this thread she has her lightsaber, so she can casually deal with his lightning and Bane never felt comfortable enough in his TK to even attack her with it so Revan's not getting shit done that way.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Zannah getting her ass handed to her on almost every occasion without Bane's help doesn't make her great. Her most impressive victory, Bane, is hardly something that I would call making her great.

Most of those fights were when she was an apprentice and against incredibly skilled opponents. BM Sarro would beat Revan Reborn in a lightsaber fight, let alone a 20 year old, half-trained Revan. And obviously Orbalisk Bane would demolish him.

Why is everyone barging in on my debate? Especially Fated who has no clue what the **** he is talking about.
I do appreciate Freshest and Chilled's support though. Anyway, I'll be responding soon to your response. 🙂

Maybe its because you're takin so ****ing long that others feel the need to step in for you. Just a thought man. 😉

I thought I made it clear that it will take a week between responses. I cannot respond during Monday-Friday period normally.
I am rather shocked though the amount of interest in this thread, since Darth Zannah isn't really that important of a character. 😬

Woah dude, not hating on you. I'm just explaining that you being such a lazy sack of shit is maybe why people think you need the help, that's all. No biggy, take your time. I'm in no hurry. excellent

Need the help? Did you even read over your responses?
It is like your knowledge on Revan is the equivalent to a 7 year old who just played through KotOR for his first time. 😐
I haven't been lazy, I can assure you that. A shit ton of work and exams I have had to study for.

Well Revan is a non-character so he's easy to forget about.

lol (in response to this entire exchange btw, not the last post)

You pulling for Zannah, bro?

I've barely gotten past chapter 1 of the class storylines (playing all 8 at the same time will do that to you) so I'm not in the best position to judge. I haven't read Dynasty of Evil either, but if she really did legitimately defeat Bane, I'd imagine she probably takes this.

She won through drawing off of the nexus, and then unleashed Tendrils, something she can't do on normal grounds. She was getting beat prior to that.

LMAO Why would you play all of them at the same time?

Well the Revan flashpoint is soon after chapter 1 ends so good luck getting there.

Originally posted by Nephthys
o wow really? well if u say so

Because Revan is Force pummeling straight out of the academy, he's destroying the second strongest Sith in the Empire with skills he doesn't have, and he's trying to annihilate the woman he's in love with. Cause that's how life works.


The Barsen'thor would clean house in the Kotor era.

Except to be called a warrior by a Mandalorian means martial might, which the Barsen'thor has established little of.

And it doesn't matter what Canderous was referring to since I know it wasn't to something that is actually provably indicative of his lightsaber skills. Beating Mandalore could have been done with the Force.

The Mandalorians do not respect the use of the Force, as established in KotOR II.

Beating Echani could have been done with the Force.

Except it was stated to be because of Revan's speed and skill, and Brianna stated that Revan fought with Echani-level precog.

Theres not much that solidly establishes Revan's lightsaber ability.

Compared to Zannah's nothing, I'd have to disagree.

And also none of the people you mentioned used lightsabers. So they don't prove much about him ability in a lightsaber fight.

A lightsaber is a melee weapon last I checked, and when going up against cortosis blades and Imperial Guard staves, skill matters.


It's been established that Revan's supposed unpredictability is just a load of wank that Ant pulled out of his nethers. And Zannah was only being slowly pushed back by Bane constantly changing the angles of his attacks, he wasn't actually pressuring her defense.

Well as long as we're just going to ignore statements made about characters fighting styles, sure. We also can just go ahead and ignore the quotes about all of the duels Zannah's been in as well. Let's go with that.


Nah man, you're exaggerating Bane's performance. And Bane is superior to Revan anyway, as even Ant admits, so him doing well against Zannah doesn't establish that Revan would too.

This is about you putting Zannah on Bane's level, which is something I've seen you do everywhere, not about Revan being on Bane's level.


Except Zannah isn't trying to dominate his mind like Vitiate. She's manifesting his deepest fears and vulnerabilities, which Revan has in abundance and is basically a raving genocidal lunatic.

Zannah's illusions take time to prepare off nexus. And this is about Revan's mental fortitude, not his ability to not be dominated.

His many, many failings will make for easy prey for her attack.

Zannah's illusions aren't as unstoppable as you try to make them seem. Bane shrugged them off on nexus. I see no reason why Revan wouldn't off.

Zannah is faster than Revan, she'll be able to attack him first.

She doesn't even fight offensively. I'd also like to know why Zannah is faster than Revan, but I'm sure it'll boil down to because reasons.

If she could get in the attack against Bane, she will be able to do so against Revan.

She didn't win using lightsaber prowse, but okay.

And in this thread she has her lightsaber, so she can casually deal with his lightning.

Because Lightning is the only Force power Revan has at his disposal. His TK eclipses just about any none Sorcery feat Zannah has ever accomplished.


Most of those fights were when she was an apprentice and against incredibly skilled opponents. BM Sarro would beat Revan Reborn in a lightsaber fight, let alone a 20 year old, half-trained Revan.

Revan, in TOR, was far from half trained in lightsaber techniques, stated to have the skills of an elite commando and outdueled plenty of Dark Jedi, and Sith masters. Many of which were veterans of the Mandalorian Wars. Outdueled Darth Malak, battled the elites of the Star Forge, and went toe-to-toe with foes that even the Dark Council is wary off and pulled asteroids beyond the scope of anything Zannah has ever contended with. Comparing Zannah performance then to any Revan anywhere is an insult.

And obviously Orbalisk Bane would demolish him.

That's hardly a point in Zannah's favor. Zannah was never, and will not ever, be comparable to Orbalisk Bane.

Well yes, I see the cirucmstances of that battle are hotly debated. I'd have to read the book myself to know where I stand on that.

Originally posted by Sinious
LMAO Why would you play all of them at the same time?

1. It creates the impression that everything is occuring in real time.

2. Each planet usually has a mystery behind the development of the politics or society of that planet, that are partially answered by the set of planetary missions, but usually fully solved by multiple class storylines for that planet. By playing them at the same time, it makes it easier to understand the entire mystery behind that planet's central storyline.

3. Apparently the different storylines intertwine in interesting ways. Again, playing them simultaneously will make it easier to appreciate how they interact.

4. Spoilers. There are times in flashpoints where major events in certain class storylines are revealed before you've had a chance to play through them (usually when you have someone in your group of a class that you haven't played, and his character makes a reference to it). As I like to play the FPs when my character is of the appropriate level, playing them simultaneously is the only way to avoid those kinds of spoilers.

5. Ultimately, doing all 8 simultaneously is less time consuming than doing all 8 one after the other, as it means you can switch between which character does the sidequests for each planet (if you do all the sidequests for every planet on a single character, you end up incredibly overlevelled). If you use all xp bonuses available in the game (item buff, guild bonus, legacy bonus), you can maintain an appropriate level by doing the side quests for 1 in every 4 planets, provided you also do some extra stuff (like FPs, PVP, space missions, maybe some heroics). If I was focusing on just one character, I'd feel obligated to do every single side quest in the correct order of planets on the first playthrough, and on subsequent playthroughs, I'd have to repeat a number of the side quests that by then I'd already done.

6. Going back and forth between the different play styles has done wonders for my multitasking skills.

7. The novelty of it.