Originally posted by celeyhyga17
What are Runner's best speed feats? I'm not saying he's going to lose. I'm just saying speed is not the key reason he would beat Zoom. That's why I would look to his other attributes other than his speed.
Well he's faster than Surfer and the Surfer is fast enough to travel through time, across dimensions and can travel light years in seconds.
Originally posted by TheLordofMurderRunner says he is much faster with the gem then without. He even says that he arrives at his destination before he even decides to go there. He was teleporting, not actually moving.
Runner doesnt need the gem here...Btw, your knowledge of the Runner and Space Gem is incomplete; he never used it to move faster...even Thanos admits to this.
When he owned Surfer and was blitzing Thanos, that was completely under his own power...
He would subconsciously use it to teleport from place to place...
Heres the evidence...
Owning Surfer doesn't mean he is faster than Surfer. He blitzed Thanos with the gem and stated that he was MUCH faster with it (although he was teleporting).
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
@H1A8You might want to go back and review your "facts"; some of your "facts" appear to have been retrieved from think air...
ok let's see
Runner doesn't have the gem here since it's not standard equipment. Check.
Flash is faster than Surfer if we go by feats or average portrayal. Check.
Zoom is faster than Flash from all the evidence when they faced each other. Check.
Runner with the gem is significantly faster than without the gem. He can teleport so that he gets to his destination faster. Check.
Runner with the gem does more damage than without the gem and even claim to be able to beat Thanos to death using his newfound speed. I never seen him do the damage he did without the gem nor does he have feats to suggest that he can beat Thanos to death. But I'll give you this one and concede to this fact.
Energy blast durability isn't the same as blunt force durability. This is definitely a fact. Check.
Originally posted by h1a8
Runner says he is much faster with the gem then without. He even says that he arrives at his destination before he even decides to go there. He was teleporting, not actually moving.Owning Surfer doesn't mean he is faster than Surfer. He blitzed Thanos with the gem and stated that he was MUCH faster with it (although he was teleporting).
Ok, post the scan of him saying that he is much faster with the gem than without it...
I'll wait...
Originally posted by h1a8
ok let's seeRunner doesn't have the gem here since it's not standard equipment. Check.
He never used it in any of his fights, so its meaningless....
Runner with the gem is significantly faster than without the gem.
False. The gem never increased his speed...its right there in big bold print in the scan I posted...READ!! Furthermore, he never teleported during his fight with Thanos or Surfer, so the mental teleportation is meaningless.
Runner with the gem does more damage than without the gem and even claim to be able to beat Thanos to death using his newfound speed.
FALSE!!!!!! HE NEVER SAID THIS!!! You are making stuff up...he never says he can beat Thanos to death "with his newfound speed."
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Ok, post the scan of him saying that he is much faster with the gem than without it...I'll wait...
"Yes, I was always fast, but I never really knew what speed was until I got this little purple darling." Now I sometimes arrive at where I'm going BEFORE I even realize I've started running. Now that's Fast!"
Note: even Thanos instruments says that his speed is at least doubled when he turns back Thanos way.
Claiming to be able to beat Thanos to death with superspeed.
Originally posted by h1a8
"You know why I'm so fast?" "It's all because of this beauty right here.""Yes, I was always fast, but I never really knew what speed was until I got this little purple darling." Now I sometimes arrive at where I'm going BEFORE I even realize I've started running. Now that's Fast!"
Note: even Thanos instruments says that his speed is at least doubled when he turns back Thanos way.
Claiming to be able to beat Thanos to death with superspeed.
Thanks for proving me right...
He thought the gem made him faster, but it did not...
His speed doubled because of his natural ability; he didnt teleport (you see him clearly running in the scan)...
He told Thanos that he could beat him to grape jelly, but didnt say anything about by using his "new found speed."
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
He never used it in any of his fights, so its meaningless....
He never had it or was shown to have it.
False. The gem never increased his speed...its right there in big bold print in the scan I posted...READ!! Furthermore, he never teleported during his fight with Thanos or Surfer, so the mental teleportation is meaningless.
I didn't quote him. Of course he didn't use the words newfound speed. But from the context, he implied it.FALSE!!!!!! HE NEVER SAID THIS!!! You are making stuff up...he never sayis he can beat Thanos to death "with his newfound speed."
Originally posted by TheLordofMurderYou are arguing semantics. What difference does it make? If you can slow down time to appear faster (ZOOM) or get to locations faster than before (SPACE GEM) then it's equivalent to being faster IN A FIGHT. You dafuq knew what Runner meant. Obviously his teleportation was so subtle in his motion that HE THOUGHT that he was moving quicker, which ULTIMATELY WOULD HAVE THE SAME RESULT AS SUPER SPEED IN A FIGHT.
Thanks for proving me right...He thought the gem made him faster, but it did not...
His speed doubled because of his natural ability; he didnt teleport (you see him clearly running in the scan)...
He told Thanos that he could beat him to grape jelly, but didnt say anything about by using his "new found speed."
Originally posted by TheLordofMurderBut flash is faster than runner.
Ok, so wheres your proof that Zoom is faster than Runner?Because hes faster than Flash isnt proof...
Here's the deductive argument.
P1. Flash is faster than Runner
P2. Zoom is faster than Flash
C. Zoom is faster than Runner.
The conclusion is necessarily true if the premises P1 and P2 are true.
Thus I must prove the premises to arrive at the conclusion.
Originally posted by h1a8
You are arguing semantics. What difference does it make? If you can slow down time to appear faster (ZOOM) or get to locations faster than before (SPACE GEM) then it's equivalent to being faster IN A FIGHT. You dafuq knew what Runner meant. Obviously his teleportation was so subtle in his motion that HE THOUGHT that he was moving quicker, which ULTIMATELY WOULD HAVE THE SAME RESULT AS SUPER SPEED IN A FIGHT.
But he never used the gem in a fight, so as pertains this thread, it has zero effect on his combat speed...
He didnt have the gem at all against Surfer, and didnt teleport against Thanos, so the gem contributed nothing...
Its a complete nonfactor...
So, wheres your proof that Zoom is faster? Zoom being faster than Flash isnt proof...
Originally posted by h1a8
But flash is faster than runner.Here's the deductive argument.
P1. Flash is faster than Runner
P2. Zoom is faster than FlashC. Zoom is faster than Runner.
The conclusion is necessarily true if the premises P1 and P2 are true.
Thus I must prove the premises to arrive at the conclusion.
Prove that Flash is faster than Runner...I'll wait.
Originally posted by TheLordofMurderHe didn't have it against his fight with Surfer AND his fight with Surfer didn't prove he was faster.
But he never used the gem in a fight, so as pertains this thread, it has zero effect on his combat speed...He didnt have the gem at all against Surfer, and didnt teleport against Thanos, so the gem contributed nothing...
Its a complete nonfactor...
So, wheres your proof that Zoom is faster? Zoom being faster than Flash isnt proof...
He did use it on Thanos. He even says he is much faster AS HE IS MOVING. Thanos instruments says his speed as AT LEAST doubled. Thanos just explains that he is really teleporting (many times in his motion) as to the reason he thinks he is faster. You are directly going against on panel intentions by the writer.
I don't understand you at all. You stopped using logic. If A is faster than B and B is faster than C then how come that doesn't prove that A is faster than C? ABC logic works flawlessly when it comes to speed, strength, or single attributes. ABC logic is faulty when it comes to more complex things (like who would win in a fight).
If you want to go by direct feats and not comparisons then Zoom's feats are superior to Runner's anyway.
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder Prove that Flash is faster than Runner...I'll wait.
This is easy to do.
Flash's feats shits on the best feat Runner ever had (which is non existent).
There are plenty of feats by Flash that runner has no showings that exceed.
Note: The runner against Thanos showing can't be used since he was using the space gem TO TELEPORT and arrive at his destination quicker and thus wasn't a true measure of his speed.
Originally posted by h1a8
He did use it on Thanos. He even says he is much faster AS HE IS MOVING. Thanos instruments says his speed as AT LEAST doubled.
Just want to point out that Thanos was saying his speed doubled from when he ran away to when he came back. In other words, Runner ran off and accelerated to a higher speed as he ran, before looping back. He wasn't making a comparative statement regarding his speed pre- and post-gem.
Originally posted by GroggyGrunt
Just want to point out that Thanos was saying his speed doubled from when he ran away to when he came back. In other words, Runner ran off and accelerated to a higher speed as he ran, before looping back. He wasn't making a comparative statement regarding his speed pre- and post-gem.
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The fact is we see Runner circle Thanos, run off (his trail can be clearly seen; that doesnt happen when you teleport H1a8), then physically run back and hit Thanos again...
No teleportation utilized; all Runners natural ability on display...