Originally posted by Insane Titan
easily.Care to explain.
both Characters are Light Speed.
Both Characters can negate speed steal with Cosmic Energy generating.
Surfer's Cosmic Awareness can allow him to know what the Speedsters can do and not do.
both characters have super strength and durability base line . Add in the further amp from Lightspeed movement makes them way more powerful than Flash or Zoom can hope to be.
Surfer can drain any form Form energy as well matter manipulation which neither DC speedster can counter.
Runner has a Aura that makes you docile which will be a great boon of any initial attack on him.
Surfer and Runner have beaten far better than these Speedsters have from what I seen on the forums.
Originally posted by CadenceV2
both Characters are Light Speed.Both Characters can negate speed steal with Cosmic Energy generating.
both characters have super strength and durability base line . Add in the further amp from Lightspeed movement makes them way more powerful than Flash or Zoom can hope to be.
Surfer can drain any form Form energy as well matter manipulation which neither DC speedster can counter.
Runner has a Aura that makes you docile which will be a great boon of any initial attack on him.
Surfer and Runner have beaten far better than these Speedsters have from what I seen on the forums.
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Originally posted by TheLordofMurderThe tiers are used as guides of general power, not who wins matchups.
Lets see...With team speedforce, at best, you have a Mid Herald in Wally and a High Herald with Hunter (as per the tierings here at KMC)...
With team cosmic, you have a High Herald in Surfer and a Mid to High Trans with Runner...
Runner solos...
Just because somebody is in a higher tier doesn't mean they'd beat anybody in a lower one.
Originally posted by Philosophía
The tiers are used as guides of general power, not who wins matchups.Just because somebody is in a higher tier doesn't mean they'd beat anybody in a lower one.
Agreed, but here you have characters with some similarities power wise, but one of them is a full tier beyond the field, with transcendant feats to back it up...
Thanos had to resort to the Time Gem to defeat Runner; Surfers attacks had no effect on Runner...
You really think these two (Wally and Hunter) are comparable to this Trans Tier character? Runner is in a different weight class than these two...
Originally posted by TheLordofMurderThe only similarity is that there are 3 characters that are very fast and then there's Surfer. The reason they're fast is different, the applications of their speed are different, and the abilities besides the speed are different.
Agreed, but here you have characters with some similarities power wise, but one of them is a full tier beyond the field, with transcendant feats to back it up...Thanos had to resort to the Time Gem to defeat Runner; Surfers attacks had no effect on Runner...
You really think these two are comparable?
Wally is ridiculously faster in terms of combat speed than anybody on team 1. In a CIS/PIS-less environment he solos this. Then there's Zoom, who makes Wally look like a drunk snail.
Originally posted by Philosophía
The only similarity is that there are 3 characters that are very fast and then there's Surfer. The reason they're fast is different, the applications of their speed are different, and the abilities besides the speed are different.Wally is ridiculously faster in terms of combat speed than anybody on team 1. In a CIS/PIS-less environment he solos this. Then there's Zoom, who makes Wally look like a drunk snail.
And both have to subject themselves to Runners aura to attack him...
I'm not even sure they could hurt Runner, let alone beat him...
And lets not forget Runners potent matter/energy manip...
Hes beyond them...
Originally posted by TheLordofMurderConsidering the speeds involved, the fight would most definitely take place in less than microsecond.
And both have to subject themselves to Runners aura to attack him...I'm not even sure they could hurt Runner, let alone beat him...
Tell me, are there any feats of Runner's aura going full effect within that timeframe?
Wally can and will KO Runner. To argue otherwise is asinine.
Originally posted by CadenceV2I'd really like you to prove that.
durability wise on. Thanos level
Originally posted by CadenceV2Yes. So? It's common sense that a stationary body has to accelerate to reach a certain speed, and Wally is no exception.
Wally he cannot go full Lightspeed without run ing up to that speed.
Originally posted by Philosophía
Considering the speeds involved, the fight would most definitely take place in less than microsecond.Tell me, are there any feats of Runner's aura going full effect within that timeframe?
Wally can and will KO Runner. To argue otherwise is asinine.
Runners aura immediately took effect on Surfer; the exact time frame was never specified however...
And why is it asinine to question wether they could harm Runner or not?
Surfers attacks had no effect on Runner; how would you rate Surfers attack power compared to Flash and Zoom? At best (and I honestly believe that they have less attack power than Surfer) equal...
Which would make Runner invulnerable to what they could dish out...