OWAW Superman and HP DD vs. Thanos and PG Thor

Originally posted by Stoic
I never gave a no limit fallacy, I simply haven't seen anything to indicate DD or Superman being able to put Thor down. Or do they have no limits placed upon them? It should have been pretty clear to you when I cited the wiki, that I wasn't saying that the PG was limitless. If you look at the last portion of what I quoted from the wiki. There is a clear limit, but that limit is well above anything that DD or Superman showed on panel. So yes they were running through those probes, but Thanos was also taking hits from Odin, and recently a Cosmic Cube. I wonder why you haven't chimed in on h1 saying that Superman or DD would one shot kill Thor, or Thanos? So what exactly were their limits? Let's get on that instead of attempting to strawman something that was clearly used as a point of reference. How about we do that?

I could have left the IG out of it, but I did not want to mislead. Hope you are capable of seeing that. Re-read what I quoted from the wiki. Now tell me why those probes were any more powerful than an individual Punisher droid of Galactus. Tell me why Thanos, and PG Thor would not be able to run through them as well. The wiki pertaining to the Power Gem says that the PG makes it's user invincible. Not just that wiki, but there is another that also states this. The official handbooks state this as well. That seems to be some pretty solid proof of what the Power gem gives its user. Am I right? So when you wonder where and why I got this info from, you know now, if you did not know before.

carry on. 🙂

Originally posted by Galan007
that's the thing: bringing up feats accomplished by a complete IG, as a means to demonstrate what the power gem is capable of, was stupid to begin with. glad you see that now, and are opting to back-peddle away from that line of argumentation. 👆

carry on. 🙂

History

One of six Infinity Gems that grant its user control over reality. According to the most commonly accepted origin story the six gems were once part of an all-powerful being who committed suicide out of loneliness. Its power survived and manifested as six gems.

The red Power Gem gives the owner access to all power and energy that ever has or will exist, and can back the other gems and boost their effects. Its most basic powers grant its user unlimited stamina and can increase the user's strength to unlimited levels depending on how much the gem is drawn upon. It allows the user to duplicate practically any physical superhuman ability and become invincible. It can also be used as an unlimited power supply for any machine.

When the Illuminati attempted to use the Infinity Gauntlet to push away another universe that was colliding with Earth-616, the Power Gem shattered.

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History

One of six Infinity Gems that grant its user control over reality. According to the most commonly accepted origin story the six gems were once part of an all-powerful being who committed suicide out of loneliness. Its power survived and manifested as six gems.

The red Power Gem gives the owner access to all power and energy that ever has or will exist, and can back the other gems and boost their effects. Its most basic powers grant its user unlimited stamina and can increase the user's strength to unlimited levels depending on how much the gem is drawn upon. It allows the user to duplicate practically any physical superhuman ability and become invincible. It can also be used as an unlimited power supply for any machine.

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Tell me what I did here. Tell me why I couldn't have gone with the second portion of text instead of the first? Until you realize or understand why i did it, you are on no grounds of calling anything stupid. I included the entire citation as not to mislead, which is exactly what i said to you. I wasn't backpedaling at all. Your problem is that you can't see nor understand why i quoted the text or are simply unwilling to. Ask what i was thinking before you assume what i was thinking next time. Now you may carry on 🙂

you're back-peddling. the original comment:

Originally posted by Stoic
When the Illuminati attempted to use the Infinity Gauntlet to push away another universe that was colliding with Earth-616, the Power Gem shattered.
http://marvel.wikia.com/Power_Gem

The last sentence clearly shows that the Power Gem has gotten a retcon and we see the limits of it. This however shows far more power than either HP DD, or Owaw Superman brings to the table.

Originally posted by Galan007
you're back-peddling. the original comment:
see? you initially referenced a feat preformed by the complete IG. that was stupid and pointless, as the complete IG is not in this thread. accept your mistake and move on--trying to justify it is equally as stupid/pointless. 👆

Wrong. According to the source where I got the idea of a Power gem user being invincible came from the wiki. I made it clear that it was somewhat true, but still being untrue. You really need to read the citation. It wasn't an attempt to paint myself into a corner Galan. I just wanted everyone to see the full picture which is why I included this "When the Illuminati attempted to use the Infinity Gauntlet to push away another universe that was colliding with Earth-616, the Power Gem shattered".

Now like I said before, ask what I was thinking before you assume what it was that was on my mind. You simply were or still are unable or unwilling to understand why I did what I did, even though I am telling you what, and why i did it. In retrospect, I still can't understand why you didn't jump in on h1's comment about DD or Superman one shot killing Thanos, and PG Thor? Is there no limits to the amount of power that those two can dish... Or can not?

Thor would need time to consciously tap into the gem.

He won't have it.

There is very little Thanos and Thor can present to H/P Doomsday that he hasn't been exposed to. Energy based attacks, divine power, brute strength, speed etc.

What tier were the drones that SM ran thru?

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Thor would need time to consciously tap into the gem.

He won't have it.

There is very little Thanos and Thor can present to H/P Doomsday that he hasn't been exposed to. Energy based attacks, divine power, brute strength, speed etc.

Thanos was put through the wringer by Odin, and refused to stay down. Thor was not put down either. What makes you believe that either Superman, or DD would have the power to put these guys down? Are you saying that Owaw Superman, and HP DD hit harder than Odin or a Cosmic Cube? Thanos was hurt by Galactus as well, but he got over the blasts effects pretty fast. Was Owaw Superman and HP DD on this level of power? What are you basing your opinion on? Darkseid's beating? DD was flash fried by Imperiex, so we know that he wasn't indestructible. What made those probes any more impressive than Galactus' Punisher's? Those probes really didn't seem to be Trans level as several people have stated them to be.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
What tier were the drones that SM ran thru?

IMO, mid-high Herald.

Originally posted by Stoic
Wrong. According to the source where I got the idea of a Power gem user being invincible came from the wiki. I made it clear that it was somewhat true, but still being untrue. You really need to read the citation. It wasn't an attempt to paint myself into a corner Galan. I just wanted everyone to see the full picture which is why I included this [b]"When the Illuminati attempted to use the Infinity Gauntlet to push away another universe that was colliding with Earth-616, the Power Gem shattered".

Now like I said before, ask what I was thinking before you assume what it was that was on my mind. You simply were or still are unable or unwilling to understand why I did what I did, even though I am telling you what, and why i did it. In retrospect, I still can't understand why you didn't jump in on h1's comment about DD or Superman one shot killing Thanos, and PG Thor? Is there no limits to the amount of power that those two can dish... Or can not? [/B]

anywho, carry on. 👆

Originally posted by Sin I AM
What tier were the drones that SM ran thru?

The weakest, if we assume they had different power levels, High Herald. The strongest low Trans to Skyfather. Some were wreaking Teams who had HH team members and 1 even a Planet with 100k Daxams.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
What tier were the drones that SM ran thru?

Low to mid Herald.

Originally posted by carver9
Low to mid Herald.

Can a low to mid herald beat the JLA or a Planet full of Daxams? Stop lowballing, it is a very bad habit and it shows your bias.

The context of Daxams destruction?

Originally posted by Sin I AM
The context of Daxams destruction?

The fight was off panel. Don't know how they lost.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Can a low to mid herald beat the JLA or a Planet full of Daxams? Stop lowballing, it is a very bad habit and it shows your bias.

The Probes were beastly. The reason I rank them so low is, once their shell is cracked, it's pretty much over. Anyone with the ability to crack their hide can beat them easily.

Originally posted by carver9
The Probes were beastly. The reason I rank them so low is, once their shell is cracked, it's pretty much over. Anyone with the ability to crack their hide can beat them easily.

Stop with that BS. The only ones capable to to so was a heavily amped WW, AM and BL+GL+SpecialTech and it was a sacrifice, they died. You lowball and bad at that. Zod and team, the Teen Titans, the JLA were all not capable to damage one. You rank them so low because you don't like Supes and HP DD going through them like butter, which implies that Supes and HP DD were beyond low Trans.

Originally posted by carver9
The fight was off panel. Don't know how they lost.

"A hundred thousand warriors against a single being... I pray we had a million more to send against him."

and remember: the daxamites were solar-powered. 🙂

Originally posted by carver9
The fight was off panel. Don't know how they lost.

Meh off panel feats are impossible to judge. So for the sake of argument lets place the drones who steamrolled the teams as trans tier. Once supes and dd started turning dials up what level would the duo be placed at? Because a sun dipped sm and hp dd are firmly trans tier and i cant see two trans tier beings steamrolling a dozen or so equally powerful beings. Could it be argued that those that were tissue paper were high meta/low herald?

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Stop with that BS. The only ones capable to to so was a heavily amped WW, AM and BL+GL+SpecialTech and it was a sacrifice, they died. You lowball and bad at that. Zod and team, the Teen Titans, the JLA were all not capable to damage one. You rank them so low because you don't like Supes and HP DD going through them like butter, which implies that Supes and HP DD were beyond low Trans.

Batman Prime...this isn't me lowballing them, crazy. A couple of individuals did damage probes and I would rank some of them either below or on Surfer and Thor level. Are you really implying that with Surfer and Thor fts, they can't damage a Probe? Please look at Thor fts. Surfer fts. Just like I think Superman could damage Gorr like Thor did. They are in the same tier.

Originally posted by Galan007
ish-tar outright states they were fighting ONE being...

"A hundred thousand warriors against a single being... I pray we had a million more to send against him."

and remember: the daxamites were solar-powered. 🙂

I know...I was just stating that their loss happened off panel.

About the power gem.

Ok let's get this strait, a Power Gem user has been ko'd ONE TIME by Thor in an ark that's continually subject to scrutiny/criticism because of how everyone in the ark is portrayed(Thor soloing everyone but Thanos who Odin himself was unable to KO), and that one time is enough to disprove Power Gem user being portrayed as physically invulnerable/unbeatable in every other instance? So by the same token, if Zoom has been tagged one time by someone with sub "amped Wally" speed, it overrides the other instances of Zoom having +Flash level speed, correct?_

And for those upset about a "No limits Fallacy" in regards to the Power Gem, remember that HP DD himself suffers when subjected to the same kind of scrutiny.