Warhammer 40k vs. Marvel Universe

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"What is our realm but a cracked mirror? A filthy window that shows a broken reflection of the glory that lies beyond our sight! What tawdry hovels are these? Towers of silver and gold they would be in the Empyrean’s gaze! Or fish! Or flowers! Or a seraglio of silken lovers! Every colour, every sense, every action, every reaction, every infraction is reflected and magnified a thousand times. Gods and heroes dwell in that invisible realm in castles of cloud and grandeur, transcendent beings of wisdom and power beyond our comprehension! We who toil through the dross of mortal existence can never know the ultimate blessings of uncertainty, but we can embrace the path of change! The hidden glories of Immaterium lie all about us, waiting for us to notice and claim them as our birthright!"

Too late They have already becameimmortal.... Andaccumulate powers....
1000 x of 50% of the metaverse.... O.K 50% is just a random number... To explain every world that is not like mickey land..... Have an alternate reality where the chaos exist.... The chaos hold the power of all this world x 1 000...
Humhum....

And no matter the power there is no marvel character with the b*tchery of the 4 chaos gods.... They show than pure b*tchery prevail on raw powers and abilities....

XD warhammer 40 000.. The guy of the lord of the appocalypse. Before becoming a bad ass :
http://bibliotheque-imperiale.com/images/0/0d/Archaon_avant_couronnement.jpg

+ Marvel universe have the power to destroy it self.. Well Tzeentch is a master to use the nnemy power at his own advantage...

Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
The Chaos Gods aren't even remotely omnipotent, not even in their own realms. Between the four of them, they control less than a galaxy's worth of Warp. They're nothing more than extremely powerful, bloated Daemons who are slaves to their own natures.

To compare them to Marvel's cosmic beings is absolutely ridiculous. If someone like Galactus were to destroy the Milky Way galaxy, the Chaos Gods would wither and die because that would cut them off from their source of "nourishment". And that's only one of the many ways that they could easily be defeated by Marvel's heavyweights.

They ARE the warp and the warp is infinite and multi-dimensional. They have absolute creation powers as well as reality warping capabilities.

The only thing stopping the Chaos Gods from enveloping that particular galaxy in the warp, is the Emperor's un-matched psyker capabilities which keeps a barrier between dimensions.

The Chaos Gods are vastly more powerful than you give them credit for.

"Skarbrand was one of the greatest champions of the Blood God. He has slain untold millions, left entire worlds ravaged in his wake, and even ravaged the realms of the other_Chaos Gods. However, it is also this unswayable dedication to destruction that proved to be Skarbrand's undoing.

Tzeentch, having taken note of the prowess of Khorne's favoured slaughterer, fuelled Skarbrand's rage even more with his whispers. With constant taunting, Tzeentch goaded Skarbrand into ever greater acts of destruction, until his rage grew so great that Skarbrand took up his axe against Khorne himself when his attention was elsewhere. Although powerful enough to fell an army, Skarbrand had only succeeded in opening up a chink in the armour of the Blood God. Enraged, Khorne snatched up Skarbrand in his clawed grip, and choked him until all vestiges of personality and thought had left the Bloodthirster, leaving only his rage behind. Khorne dragged Skarbrand to the pinnacle of the_Brass Citadel_and held him aloft for all to see. Then Khorne hurled Skarbrand across the_Warp, where he flew for eight days and nights, leaving a blazing trail of destruction across the realms of the Gods. Skarbrand's landing carved out a massive canyon, and tore his wings to shreds.

Ironically, however, Skarbrand served Khorne in tortured banishment better than he ever could. He had become an incarnation of mindless wrath, unbound by any loyalty or logic, indiscriminately spilling oceans of blood in the name of Khorne."

Greater Daemons themselves are demi-gods and the most powerful are star busters. Infact one of Slaanesh's greater daemons and not even of his top 10 most powerful managed to massacre so many millions in one night it unleashed a second tear in the warp which unleashed far greater slaughter than the first.

To know just how strong Khorne can be, he swung his axe from the warp, tore a massive gash in reality and cracked a continent in half.

They're low to mid tier Skyfathers. 👆

Originally posted by Revanchiste
In fact they are omnipotent in their own realm but they are 4 and are permantly are war...
And Tzentch have prooven to bealways able to reach his goal no matter what he have at his disposal...

And he live cuted from space and time No Marvel character can even kill him... To defeat him you need to use his own methods = be absorbed by him...

Tzeench is the most powerfull chaos god within the warp... Khorne is the most powerfull chaos gods in general...

Tzeench cannot be cutt from his nourishement.. + For each dimension there an infinities of alternative realities with a probabilities to not be destroyed....
Only a guy like Tzeench can modifiate those probabilities......

WARp is bigger than the entire meta verse it's an accumulation of what it's happening in the meta verse each second.. Only thirst of bloods, toughs, deads souls, pervert desires fear etc... Are refletead..... The house of the 4 chaos gods are FREEEEKIN ****ING HUDGE !!!!!!!!

And nothing is material.. here.. The rule of physic are completly ****ed up. Everythings is control by psychics powers...

All marvel super being reunite are just powerfull enough to satelmate the order... The order have been wreck by chaos gods... ONly major chaos survive the war.. But they are in fact some kind of super mega fusion of multiples gods....
+ There is the eldar god of death and the lord of the appocalypse.
One will be powerfull enough to kill slaanesh.. The other is the ultimate appocalypse god.... Archaon.

P.S : I've heard than this vs thread is turning to a Galac-D*cks fight...

No, they're not omnipotent. In fact, there are places in the Warp that are 'wild' and are not under the control of any of the 4 Chaos Gods. For supposedly omnipotent beings to control less than a galaxy's worth of territory seems pretty pathetic to me.

Tzeentch isn't even the most powerful God and in the end he is just as limited as the other Chaos Gods. Tzeentch can't even defeat the other 3 Chaos Gods, let alone become some kind of an omnipotent ruler of a Multiverse that you're trying to make him seem like.

Tzeentch is nourished by the very same thing the other Chaos Gods are: desires, thoughts, and actions of sentient beings in the galaxy. Destroy those beings(or the whole galaxy, cause why not) and he starves and eventually dies.

No, there are only two dimensions in the 40K Universe: the material universe and the Warp(some would perhaps consider the Webway to be a separate dimension from the other two). You seem to be mistaking probabilities and potential timelines for dimensions. Tzeentch can manipulate probability, but so can Marvel's cosmic beings and they can do it to far greater extent than Tzeentch.

No, the Warp runs parallel to the material universe and is as big as it is. Which is a single universe. Some Marvel beings can blink out multiple universes out of existence with a wave of their hand. Though again, this isn't even particularly relevant because Chaos only controls a tiny, tiny fraction of the Warp.

The rules of physics are ****ed up? Who cares? Cosmic beings do not abide by the laws of physics anyway. Yea, and somebody like Galactus has a psychic presence that is many orders of magnitude greater than the Emperor and the Chaos Gods put together.

The forces of the Order are confined to a single galaxy. Even a low-tier cosmic being from Marvel could destroy Order with a single fart.

The Eldar gods are pathetic. They were all either killed, enslaved, or ran away from the Chaos Gods. They'd be defeated even more easily than them.

Originally posted by AncientPower
They ARE the warp and the warp is infinite and multi-dimensional. They have absolute creation powers as well as reality warping capabilities.

The only thing stopping the Chaos Gods from enveloping that particular galaxy in the warp, is the Emperor's un-matched psyker capabilities which keeps a barrier between dimensions.

The Chaos Gods are vastly more powerful than you give them credit for.

"Skarbrand was one of the greatest champions of the Blood God. He has slain untold millions, left entire worlds ravaged in his wake, and even ravaged the realms of the other_Chaos Gods. However, it is also this unswayable dedication to destruction that proved to be Skarbrand's undoing.

Tzeentch, having taken note of the prowess of Khorne's favoured slaughterer, fuelled Skarbrand's rage even more with his whispers. With constant taunting, Tzeentch goaded Skarbrand into ever greater acts of destruction, until his rage grew so great that Skarbrand took up his axe against Khorne himself when his attention was elsewhere. Although powerful enough to fell an army, Skarbrand had only succeeded in opening up a chink in the armour of the Blood God. Enraged, Khorne snatched up Skarbrand in his clawed grip, and choked him until all vestiges of personality and thought had left the Bloodthirster, leaving only his rage behind. Khorne dragged Skarbrand to the pinnacle of the_Brass Citadel_and held him aloft for all to see. Then Khorne hurled Skarbrand across the_Warp, where he flew for eight days and nights, leaving a blazing trail of destruction across the realms of the Gods. Skarbrand's landing carved out a massive canyon, and tore his wings to shreds.

Ironically, however, Skarbrand served Khorne in tortured banishment better than he ever could. He had become an incarnation of mindless wrath, unbound by any loyalty or logic, indiscriminately spilling oceans of blood in the name of Khorne."

Greater Daemons themselves are demi-gods and the most powerful are star busters. Infact one of Slaanesh's greater daemons and not even of his top 10 most powerful managed to massacre so many millions in one night it unleashed a second tear in the warp which unleashed far greater slaughter than the first.

To know just how strong Khorne can be, he swung his axe from the warp, tore a massive gash in reality and cracked a continent in half.

The Chaos Gods are NOT the Warp. The Warp has been around for much longer than them and even now they only control, at most, a galaxy's worth of Warp. The Warp is a single dimension that runs parallel to the material universe and is as large as it is. Some Marvel beings can blink out multiple universes out of existence with a wave of their hand.

The bit about the Emperor single-handedly keeping Chaos at bay is unsubstantiated. It's probably in-universe Imperial propaganda. For example, the Astronomicon doesn't even cover the entire galaxy. The Emperor's powers and reach are infinitesimal compared to even low-tier Marvel cosmic beings.

Which Greater Daemon ever busted a star? I'd really like to know that.

So some daemon managed to kill some million people in one night? That's nice and all, but there are beings in Marvel that can destroy a universe in a nanosecond.

Khorne tore a hole in reality and busted a continent? If that's the best he can do, a sufficiently angry Hulk would beat the shit out him.

Originally posted by AncientPower
They ARE the warp and the warp is infinite and multi-dimensional. They have absolute creation powers as well as reality warping capabilities.

The only thing stopping the Chaos Gods from enveloping that particular galaxy in the warp, is the Emperor's un-matched psyker capabilities which keeps a barrier between dimensions.

The Chaos Gods are vastly more powerful than you give them credit for.

"Skarbrand was one of the greatest champions of the Blood God. He has slain untold millions, left entire worlds ravaged in his wake, and even ravaged the realms of the other_Chaos Gods. However, it is also this unswayable dedication to destruction that proved to be Skarbrand's undoing.

Tzeentch, having taken note of the prowess of Khorne's favoured slaughterer, fuelled Skarbrand's rage even more with his whispers. With constant taunting, Tzeentch goaded Skarbrand into ever greater acts of destruction, until his rage grew so great that Skarbrand took up his axe against Khorne himself when his attention was elsewhere. Although powerful enough to fell an army, Skarbrand had only succeeded in opening up a chink in the armour of the Blood God. Enraged, Khorne snatched up Skarbrand in his clawed grip, and choked him until all vestiges of personality and thought had left the Bloodthirster, leaving only his rage behind. Khorne dragged Skarbrand to the pinnacle of the_Brass Citadel_and held him aloft for all to see. Then Khorne hurled Skarbrand across the_Warp, where he flew for eight days and nights, leaving a blazing trail of destruction across the realms of the Gods. Skarbrand's landing carved out a massive canyon, and tore his wings to shreds.

Ironically, however, Skarbrand served Khorne in tortured banishment better than he ever could. He had become an incarnation of mindless wrath, unbound by any loyalty or logic, indiscriminately spilling oceans of blood in the name of Khorne."

Greater Daemons themselves are demi-gods and the most powerful are star busters. Infact one of Slaanesh's greater daemons and not even of his top 10 most powerful managed to massacre so many millions in one night it unleashed a second tear in the warp which unleashed far greater slaughter than the first.

To know just how strong Khorne can be, he swung his axe from the warp, tore a massive gash in reality and cracked a continent in half.

Marvel have guy like this too..

But the problem is than pro marvel... Don't understand than the warp is everything except just a classic standard metaverse... It's a WTF metaverse.

"The Chaos Gods are NOT the Warp. The Warp has been around for much longer than them and even now they only control, at most, a galaxy's worth of Warp. The Warp is a single dimension that runs parallel to the material universe and is as large as it is. Some Marvel beings can blink out multiple universes out of existence with a wave of their hand."

Yeess but Chaos is different.... So different.....

"The bit about the Emperor single-handedly keeping Chaos at bay is unsubstantiated. It's probably in-universe Imperial propaganda. For example, the Astronomicon doesn't even cover the entire galaxy. The Emperor's powers and reach are infinitesimal compared to even low-tier Marvel cosmic beings."

Yhea for example stortrooper being supêr elite soldier !!!

Nono.. if hulk get angry he get corrupted by Khorne here the bitchery....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-Q-DqUvoNY&list=PL35589503686DFDC1&index=5

Originally posted by Revanchiste
Marvel have guy like this too..

But the problem is than pro marvel... Don't understand than the warp is everything except just a classic standard metaverse... It's a WTF metaverse.

"The Chaos Gods are NOT the Warp. The Warp has been around for much longer than them and even now they only control, at most, a galaxy's worth of Warp. The Warp is a single dimension that runs parallel to the material universe and is as large as it is. Some Marvel beings can blink out multiple universes out of existence with a wave of their hand."

Yeess but Chaos is different.... So different.....

"The bit about the Emperor single-handedly keeping Chaos at bay is unsubstantiated. It's probably in-universe Imperial propaganda. For example, the Astronomicon doesn't even cover the entire galaxy. The Emperor's powers and reach are infinitesimal compared to even low-tier Marvel cosmic beings."

Yhea for example stortrooper being supêr elite soldier !!!

Nono.. if hulk get angry he get corrupted by Khorne here the bitchery....

The Warp is not a metaverse, it's a dimension. Just because it's a scary and a strange place to most mortals doesn't mean it will be the same for cosmic beings.

How is it so different?

Not necessarily. Getting angry isn't typically sufficient for Chaos corruption.

Originally posted by RaventheOnly
Except for the OP characters like singular planet busters the vast majority of the normal super heroes would not really stand up to the billions of troops in power armor and monster sized forces in WH. There are a lot of pysker capable forces as well as conventional tough ass infantry forces. The Tyrannyds and Necrons are some serious mofos to. Numbers wise I don't know how ya would pit them as a chance if it were not for hax characters.
'Billions' hardly impresses me when Annihilus alone commands TRILLIONS of forces:

Anywho, this 'battle' ends when Galactus(one example of many) unleashes a "Herald My Rage" galaxy-buster. Sure, there might be a few stragglers left over from 40k-verse, but enough to pose any sort of threat to Marvel? Absolutely not. 👆

Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
The Warp is not a metaverse, it's a dimension. Just because it's a scary and a strange place to most mortals doesn't mean it will be the same for cosmic beings.

How is it so different?

Not necessarily. Getting angry isn't typically sufficient for Chaos corruption.

There no solid materials.... It's connected to multiple dimension alternatives realities and alternatives universe.... The notion of time doesn't exist....

The warp eat time.... at each 0.000000001 yoctasecond..... One years in the real world is reflected in the warp.. The warp is a mirror......
It's made by though thinking and emotions....

"Billions' hardly impresses me when Annihilus alone commands TRILLIONS of forces:"

There is 48 000 000 000 000 000 000 guards men in the imperium of man kind. And the number quicly regenerate despite the looses....

Look at the ork.
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/File😮rks_activity.jpg
Necron :
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/File😮rks_activity.jpg
Tyranids :
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/File:Tyranids_incursions.jpg

And https://www.youtube.com/user/TheXPGamers/search?query=warhammer
Look how many space marine chapter there is....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weLJKWxQflQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCyXRM6MNF8

Originally posted by Revanchiste
There no solid materials.... It's connected to multiple dimension alternatives realities and alternatives universe.... The notion of time doesn't exist....

The warp eat time.... at each 0.000000001 yoctasecond..... One years in the real world is reflected in the warp.. The warp is a mirror......
It's made by though thinking and emotions....

"Billions' hardly impresses me when Annihilus alone commands TRILLIONS of forces:"

There is 48 000 000 000 000 000 000 guards men in the imperium of man kind. And the number quicly regenerate despite the looses....

Look at the ork.
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/File😮rks_activity.jpg
Necron :
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/File😮rks_activity.jpg
Tyranids :
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/File:Tyranids_incursions.jpg

And https://www.youtube.com/user/TheXPGamers/search?query=warhammer
Look how many space marine chapter there is....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weLJKWxQflQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCyXRM6MNF8

Like I said before, the Warp is a single dimension. It's connected to the physical universe, but that's about it. The notion of time exists within the Warp, it's just that it's less predictable and chaotic than it is in the physical universe.

I don't know where you got that 0.000000001 yoctosecond equaling a year figure from, but it's completely false. If it was true, then any ship entering the Warp would essentially never come out. Yes, time can get weird inside the Warp, but this is ridiculous.

I think you really need to stop pulling numbers out of your ass. There aren't 48 000 000 000 000 000 000 people in the Imperium of Man, let alone Guardsmen. Even if that number was correct, it still wouldn't matter to a being who can destroy the whole Milky Way galaxy with a wave of his hand.

I think his science is based on the theory of, "I really f*cking want Warhammer to win*

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=ey31zwy9Kyo
XD That's true.. That's why SW EU get the edge on the imperium of mankind...

Fleet often arrive too late....

O.K... watch this a video from a warha fan (he don't really know SW or Halo universe)

And I always align my self with the weakest universe....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbcxXDMyVb0

In your ass !!!! Done that by memories...

http://assiste.free.fr/kotor_2/effectifs_militaires_de_revan.html
Look at this even for Revan armies we have absolutly hudge numbers !!!!!! IMAGINE IN WARHAMMER 40K?? WITH A SUCH BIG ASS GALAXY !!!

Originally posted by Revanchiste
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=ey31zwy9Kyo
XD That's true.. That's why SW EU get the edge on the imperium of mankind...

Fleet often arrive too late....

O.K... watch this a video from a warha fan (he don't really know SW or Halo universe)

And I always align my self with the weakest universe....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbcxXDMyVb0

In your ass !!!! Done that by memories...

http://assiste.free.fr/kotor_2/effectifs_militaires_de_revan.html
Look at this even for Revan armies we have absolutly hudge numbers !!!!!! IMAGINE IN WARHAMMER 40K?? WITH A SUCH BIG ASS GALAXY !!!

Do you expect us to watch a 2 hour long video?

If your yoctasecond figure was correct, the ships would never arrive at all.

The guy who made that video is basing his numbers on pure speculation and assumptions. For example, why does he/she assume that the Imperium controls 1 billion planets?

I can't read that as it's in French. Anyway, I'm not sure how Revan is relevant to this debate?

"If your yoctasecond figure was correct, the ships would never arrive at all."
It was hyprbolic.... Une hyperbole....

"The guy who made that video is basing his numbers on pure speculation and assumptions. For example, why does he/she assume that the Imperium controls 1 billion planets? "

Well I know than the imperium have control over more than err well more than 1x10^9 The galaxy in a warhammer 40 000 franchise is just SSSSOOOOO BIIIIIG. EVen star war or Halo have smallers ones !!!
But it depend of the timeline... I assume with all those exterminatus.....

Anyway For the imperial guard 1 000 000 000 is just nothing at all.... (Except when it's bad ass ones...)

With just 1 000 worlds know to the republic and only intellegent species the star war univers (In reality there only 20 000 world with living intelligent species...)
and a ridiculous purcentage of population active in teh armly you easly get 1 000 000 soldiers.... So Why not for the imperial guard? The Warhammer 40 000 universe is really massiv. (Or it was until they calm dow on te exterminatus !)

Originally posted by Revanchiste
"If your yoctasecond figure was correct, the ships would never arrive at all."
It was hyprbolic.... Une hyperbole....

"The guy who made that video is basing his numbers on pure speculation and assumptions. For example, why does he/she assume that the Imperium controls 1 billion planets? "

Well I know than the imperium have control over more than err well more than 1x10^9 The galaxy in a warhammer 40 000 franchise is just SSSSOOOOO BIIIIIG. EVen star war or Halo have smallers ones !!!
But it depend of the timeline... I assume with all those exterminatus.....

Anyway For the imperial guard 1 000 000 000 is just nothing at all.... (Except when it's bad ass ones...)

With just 1 000 worlds know to the republic and only intellegent species the star war univers (In reality there only 20 000 world with living intelligent species...)
and a ridiculous purcentage of population active in teh armly you easly get 1 000 000 soldiers.... So Why not for the imperial guard? The Warhammer 40 000 universe is really massiv. (Or it was until they calm dow on te exterminatus !)

Well, alright then.

While I know how large the Milky Way galaxy is, the size of it doesn't really matter(it surely doesn't matter to beings who can destroy whole universes). What matters is how much territory the Imperium controls. Now I'm not sure whether the exact size of the Imperium has ever been stated, but closest I can find to official statements/figures vary from 100,000 to 1,000,000 planets.

I'm not sure why you keep bringing Star Wars into this.

Kubik handles this.....

Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
Well, alright then.

While I know how large the Milky Way galaxy is, the size of it doesn't really matter(it surely doesn't matter to beings who can destroy whole universes). What matters is how much territory the Imperium controls. Now I'm not sure whether the exact size of the Imperium has ever been stated, but closest I can find to official statements/figures vary from 100,000 to 1,000,000 planets.

I'm not sure why you keep bringing Star Wars into this.

Warhammer 40 000 franchise is all about mass effect...

Massiv number of world massiv epic battle.... And when I ùean massiv.. I mean RREALLY REALLY MASSIV. Well in warhammer 40 000 franchise there is intense battle massiv fights, really massiv battles, rearealy massiv battle and really really mother****ing big ASS EPIC MASSIV BATTLE !!!! You know Kârn solo 5 000 000 elites spaces marines (each one can decimate an entire batalion on it's own...) + a panzer division.. Whil hacing the canon of a tank stuck into his chest...

Well this is how warhammer 40 000 franchise look like.

Each faction controll billions of worlds... (Except eldars, and Dark Eldar who posses coromag wich is a big big really mother ****ing bigg ass city.. It have teh size of an entire galaxy)

If you supress all character within the rank 3 in both universe sorry but warhammer 40 000 really wreck...

Originally posted by Revanchiste
Warhammer 40 000 franchise is all about mass effect...

Massiv number of world massiv epic battle.... And when I ùean massiv.. I mean RREALLY REALLY MASSIV. Well in warhammer 40 000 franchise there is intense battle massiv fights, really massiv battles, rearealy massiv battle and really really mother****ing big ASS EPIC MASSIV BATTLE !!!! You know Kârn solo 5 000 000 elites spaces marines (each one can decimate an entire batalion on it's own...) + a panzer division.. Whil hacing the canon of a tank stuck into his chest...

Well this is how warhammer 40 000 franchise look like.

Each faction controll billions of worlds... (Except eldars, and Dark Eldar who posses coromag wich is a big big really mother ****ing bigg ass city.. It have teh size of an entire galaxy)

If you supress all character within the rank 3 in both universe sorry but warhammer 40 000 really wreck...

It's probably about time you started citing some official sources because I can see you're back to pulling numbers out of your ass.

No, Kharn never soloed 5 million Space Marines(there aren't that many Space Marines to begin with).

No, there is not a single faction that controls billions of worlds at the current time in Warhammer 40K.

No, Commorragh is not the size of a galaxy. It's just a very large city.

What's a Rank 3 character?