O.K Only one billion space marine.... Not 5... You were right XD.
Commorraghexist in the "toile" (I don't know how to translate this...)
It never cess to grow since the dark eldar escape slaanesh influence....
They became free from slaanesh and each person who suffer source their power...
Keep in mind than Warhammer 40 000 universe get multiple rank one characters...
Originally posted by Revanchiste
O.K Only one billion space marine.... Not 5... You were right XD.Commorraghexist in the "toile" (I don't know how to translate this...)
It never cess to grow since the dark eldar escape slaanesh influence....
They became free from slaanesh and each person who suffer source their power...Keep in mind than Warhammer 40 000 universe get multiple rank one characters...
No, there aren't 1 billion Space Marines either. Where do you keep getting these numbers from?
It exists in the toilet? What? Anyway, can you give me the number of Dark Eldar backed by at least something resembling an official source?
What's a 'rank one character'?
Galatus is at maximum a level 2 character....
So without 0 to 3 ran character warha clearly win...
+ Khârn really slain 5 millions space marine after salining "one million false emperor lackery"
Yhea this is goofy as hell.... But hey there is multiple chapters.... And you know with the creation of the legion of space marines during the heresy...
-Killed 26 Khrone berserkers in close combat in only a few seconds. These guys are basically weaker less skilled versions of himself.
aRecatification he kill 5 million servant of the false emperor including 2K+ space marines..
But after thousand of year he surely have killed more than 5 million space marine XD ho this is so goofy...
quote :
"Kharn was about 200 years old when he turned traitor. Meaning he had followed this schedule everyday for 200 years (unless he was called to a real battle of course). He is now 10.000years old and soloed 2485 Space Marines in one battle. Each with 100-200 years training and combat experience. What are the chances that anyone up there has anywhere near that much experience or level of skill?"
Anwser :
"Yess he did... And there the chance are equal to became the most favorite Khorne hcampion...)
Originally posted by Revanchiste
Galatus is at maximum a level 2 character....So without 0 to 3 ran character warha clearly win...
+ Khârn really slain 5 millions space marine after salining "one million false emperor lackery"
Yhea this is goofy as hell.... But hey there is multiple chapters.... And you know with the creation of the legion of space marines during the heresy...
-Killed 26 Khrone berserkers in close combat in only a few seconds. These guys are basically weaker less skilled versions of himself.
aRecatification he kill 5 million servant of the false emperor including 2K+ space marines..
But after thousand of year he surely have killed more than 5 million space marine XD ho this is so goofy...
quote :
"Kharn was about 200 years old when he turned traitor. Meaning he had followed this schedule everyday for 200 years (unless he was called to a real battle of course). He is now 10.000years old and soloed 2485 Space Marines in one battle. Each with 100-200 years training and combat experience. What are the chances that anyone up there has anywhere near that much experience or level of skill?"
Anwser :
"Yess he did... And there the chance are equal to became the most favorite Khorne hcampion...)
Do you even have the slightest idea of what Galactus can do?
And that still hasn't answered the question from Artificialglory, what kinda ranking are we talking about, what's it based on?
Originally posted by Revanchiste
Galatus is at maximum a level 2 character....So without 0 to 3 ran character warha clearly win...
+ Khârn really slain 5 millions space marine after salining "one million false emperor lackery"
Yhea this is goofy as hell.... But hey there is multiple chapters.... And you know with the creation of the legion of space marines during the heresy...
-Killed 26 Khrone berserkers in close combat in only a few seconds. These guys are basically weaker less skilled versions of himself.
aRecatification he kill 5 million servant of the false emperor including 2K+ space marines..
But after thousand of year he surely have killed more than 5 million space marine XD ho this is so goofy...
quote :
"Kharn was about 200 years old when he turned traitor. Meaning he had followed this schedule everyday for 200 years (unless he was called to a real battle of course). He is now 10.000years old and soloed 2485 Space Marines in one battle. Each with 100-200 years training and combat experience. What are the chances that anyone up there has anywhere near that much experience or level of skill?"
Anwser :
"Yess he did... And there the chance are equal to became the most favorite Khorne hcampion...)
Look, I have no clue what ranking system you're using here, but Galactus at full power is Universal+ and that's being conservative and not including stuff like the Ultimate Nullifier. This is many orders of magnitude above anyone in Warhammer 40,000.
If we're talking about how many guys Kharne has killed over the span of 10,000 years, then sure, I can believe those numbers. That means he kills 1 or 2 guys a day, which is not very impressive, actually.
Tier: At least 3-C, possibly 2-C | 1-C within the warp.
And this for al chaos godds !!!!
1-C: Complex Multiverse level:
These are 6-11-dimensional characters. Even 6-dimensional characters can logically easily destroy an infinite number of simple multiversal spacetime continuums (this is roughly the equivalent of the previous "Megaverse" term), and 7-dimensional characters exceed that scale an infinite number of times, and so onwards. However, these characters do not exceed the 11-dimensional scale of the complete totality of a full multiverse, as defined by M-Theory.
The highest part of this category is an infinity x infinity x infinity x infinity x infinity number of times greater than the bottom.
Tzeench is a 9 dimensional entity or perhaps more or peharps a 0
He always change...... So that's hard to tell... He is depicted most often as a 9D character.; But live in a romm where space and time doesn't even exist... Well... I challenge any Marvel universe character to do the same.
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Warp is hell even for god himself. Since chaos gods absord every other godds !!!
Tier 2: Multi-Universal
2-A: Multiverse level+ :
Characters who can instantly create and/or destroy 10^500 to an infinite number of universal spacetime continuums.
Galactus is 2-A.
Originally posted by Revanchiste
Tier: At least 3-C, possibly 2-C | 1-C within the warp.
And this for al chaos godds !!!!1-C: Complex Multiverse level:
These are 6-11-dimensional characters. Even 6-dimensional characters can logically easily destroy an infinite number of simple multiversal spacetime continuums (this is roughly the equivalent of the previous "Megaverse" term), and 7-dimensional characters exceed that scale an infinite number of times, and so onwards. However, these characters do not exceed the 11-dimensional scale of the complete totality of a full multiverse, as defined by M-Theory.
The highest part of this category is an infinity x infinity x infinity x infinity x infinity number of times greater than the bottom.
Tzeench is a 9 dimensional entity or perhaps more or peharps a 0
He always change...... So that's hard to tell... He is depicted most often as a 9D character.; But live in a romm where space and time doesn't even exist... Well... I challenge any Marvel universe character to do the same.
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Warp is hell even for god himself. Since chaos gods absord every other godds !!!Tier 2: Multi-Universal
2-A: Multiverse level+ :
Characters who can instantly create and/or destroy 10^500 to an infinite number of universal spacetime continuums.
Galactus is 2-A.
Yes, I see. Now the only problem that we have is that WH40K has no character that is even close to 1-C. Nowhere is Tzeentch or any of the Chaos Gods depicted to be even remotely this powerful. In addition, the Warp isn't this utterly incomprehensible and inhospitable place that you're trying to make it out to be. Yes, it's a horrible place for mortals, but even then, mortals like Kaldor Draigo have managed to survive in the Warp just fine.
There are many characters in Marvel that make Kaldor Draigo look like a helpless toddler. As for being outside of time and space: we've been through this already. Any cosmic being in Marvel worth his/her salt can exist just fine outside of time and space.
Actually, now that I think of it, I'm pretty sure Galactus could devour the entirety of the Warp(along with its denizens) if he wanted to.
Weaknesses: Needs to feed on planets to sustain himself, if he goes for more than a month without eating a planet he will grow weak and eventually die. Tends to ignore weaker beings so it's possible to set up a trap and surprise him without his notice.
Well I challenge to try a time manipulation trick in tzeentch maze. Considering that in teh warp there is no planets !!
+Kaldor was helped by the emperor of Mankind..... Deep in the Darkest Region of the warp especialy chaos domains even super human god or deamons are dooms...
If Humanity can use teh warp that's thank to the emperor of Mankind.. who is a pure bad ass..... Especialy in the warp where he just reach chuck norris level.
Really in the warp that chaos gods who are kings and play with souls reality.. Especialy tzeentch... Who own the thinking of every entity within the warp... Based uppon that... A master pupet that own your thinkings... Pretty much unstoppable....
It's look impossible.. But that's what Tzeetch do the impossible.. he know how to realize impossibles things.... That's like guts taking over super bad ass deamons Solid snake still kicking ass masterchief who still alive thank to his luck etc etc....
+There is an other gods in gestation within the warp... A god of death so powerfull than the reaper won't be afraid of chuck nrorris anymore... Cleary the description place him as more powerfull than any joke character ever created.
I repeat myself but here it is
Quote about the warp :
A) No, every single being is not a part of the material universe, there's the infinite inhabitants of the Warp.
B) It clearly says by the emotions and souls of every being of the material universe. There's nothing "obviously" limiting it to the known universe.
C) They're powered by every being not just the ones leaving off psychic energy.
D) Tzeentch is active in the Warhammer: Fantasy universe that Games Workshop has clearly stated is not in the 40k Universe. So not only do the Chaos Gods have domain over the material universe of 40k but they are also present in the Fantasy Universe, making them multi-universal Gods...and before you, very politely I'm sure, inquire yes they are the same entity.
Originally posted by Revanchiste
Weaknesses: Needs to feed on planets to sustain himself, if he goes for more than a month without eating a planet he will grow weak and eventually die. Tends to ignore weaker beings so it's possible to set up a trap and surprise him without his notice.Well I challenge to try a time manipulation trick in tzeentch maze. Considering that in teh warp there is no planets !!
+Kaldor was helped by the emperor of Mankind..... Deep in the Darkest Region of the warp especialy chaos domains even super human god or deamons are dooms...
If Humanity can use teh warp that's thank to the emperor of Mankind.. who is a pure bad ass..... Especialy in the warp where he just reach chuck norris level.
Yes, Galactus has those weaknesses, but for the purpose of vs. debates we usually assume the characters are at their strongest. That means that Galactus has just fed and is at 100% power.
Why would he need a planet for time manipulation to work?
Kaldor has gone to the deepest regions of the Warp(like Nurgle's garden, which he burned down) and came out just fine.
Yea, the Emperor is a badass, but he's still incredibly limited compared to Marvel's cosmic beings. The fact that the Emperor's powers are so effective against Chaos pretty much proves that the Chaos Gods aren't even close to being omnipotent because the Emperor definitely isn't.
Nurgle is teh weakest chaos godds ever....
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So Chaos Gods are Multiversal. Its not arguable.
The Warp is connected to millions of other universes meaning the Chaos Gods draw power from here as well since they draw power from sentient beings:
"A miss indicates that the missile has left Warpspace at the wrong point – and this could be anywhere in any of the million universes.” - pg.37 Adeptus Titanicus
"The forms the live-things called Chaos, in their limited little ways of perceiving the omni-verse, swarmed and thrived in this infinite ocean of mind and emotion. The daemon moved with Stele. Waiting, waiting and watching for the moment when the thrashing and chattering of the quarry was at its peak. Only then would it strike, lapping up the absolute perfection of its fear, sinking in rending teeth, tearing it to soul- shreds." - Pg.106 Deus Sanguinius
"A terrible, ageless scream of frustration filled the chamber, echoing throughout all the realms of existence simultaneously as a creature older than time was thwarted in its ambitions." - Pg.619 Descent of Angels
Don't get your stuff from wiki sources Toby.
The warp is FAR above galaxy level.
I know I shouldn't bump but whatever.
+ Tzeentch always win if horus die that's because Tzeentch have choose between chaos being at their peaks and living forever.... He choose the second option.
Tzeetch always find a way to realize the impossible !!!
The chaos gods have always existed and never existed at the same time because time has value or meaning to them.
Originally posted by Revanchiste
A) No, every single being is not a part of the material universe, there's the infinite inhabitants of the Warp.B) It clearly says by the emotions and souls of every being of the material universe. There's nothing "obviously" limiting it to the known universe.
C) They're powered by every being not just the ones leaving off psychic energy.
D) Tzeentch is active in the Warhammer: Fantasy universe that Games Workshop has clearly stated is not in the 40k Universe. So not only do the Chaos Gods have domain over the material universe of 40k but they are also present in the Fantasy Universe, making them multi-universal Gods...and before you, very politely I'm sure, inquire yes they are the same entity.
A) Any proof that the inhabitants of the Warp are infinite?
B) The Warp runs parallel to the material universe. The claim that it somehow runs 'beyond' it requires proof. In fact, the Warp grows more diffuse in intergalactic space which supports the claim that it is tied to the material universe.
C) I'm not 100% sure of this, but people who give of no psychic energy or even negative psychic energy(called 'nulls'😉 actually have a calming effect on the Warp and can repel sorcery and Daemons. I'm pretty sure that's the opposite of powering the Warp.
D) Warhammer Fantasy and WH40K are two different entities entirely. Yes, they share concepts, names of the Chaos Gods, style, etc., but I've not seen evidence that they're a part of a single Multiverse or are somehow otherwise connected. I've also heard of theories that the Warhammer Fantasy world is just a planet in the Milky Way galaxy that the Imperium hasn't re-discovered yet.
Originally posted by Revanchiste
Nurgle is teh weakest chaos godds ever....http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/14/147508/4278283-chaos+multiversal+%281%29.png
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/14/147508/4278284-chaos+multiversal+%282%29.pngSo Chaos Gods are Multiversal. Its not arguable.
The Warp is connected to millions of other universes meaning the Chaos Gods draw power from here as well since they draw power from sentient beings:
"A miss indicates that the missile has left Warpspace at the wrong point – and this could be anywhere in any of the million universes.” - pg.37 Adeptus Titanicus
"The forms the live-things called Chaos, in their limited little ways of perceiving the omni-verse, swarmed and thrived in this infinite ocean of mind and emotion. The daemon moved with Stele. Waiting, waiting and watching for the moment when the thrashing and chattering of the quarry was at its peak. Only then would it strike, lapping up the absolute perfection of its fear, sinking in rending teeth, tearing it to soul- shreds." - Pg.106 Deus Sanguinius
"A terrible, ageless scream of frustration filled the chamber, echoing throughout all the realms of existence simultaneously as a creature older than time was thwarted in its ambitions." - Pg.619 Descent of Angels
Don't get your stuff from wiki sources Toby.
The warp is FAR above galaxy level.
I know I shouldn't bump but whatever.
+ Tzeentch always win if horus die that's because Tzeentch have choose between chaos being at their peaks and living forever.... He choose the second option.
Tzeetch always find a way to realize the impossible !!!The chaos gods have always existed and never existed at the same time because time has value or meaning to them.
Slaanesh is the weakest God.
So you're saying that Tzeentch deliberately had Horus killed so that humanity would survive and continuously feed him so that he wouldn't die? But why bother with inhabitants of a single galaxy if you have entire universes to feed you? A massive contradiction. What you must realize is that WH40K is full of hyperbole and contradictions.
All those quotes you've given me come from Black Library writers. Some of them play hard and loose with the canon and tend to overuse hyperbole in their writings to make things seem more dramatic and 'epic'. They usually fail at this and only succeed at making things look silly.
The Warp is indeed far above galaxy level, but the Chaos Gods are not. Hell, even if they were indeed Universal+ level, that is still pretty weak by Marvel standards.
The oldest of the Chaos Gods, Khorne, was born during humanity's iron age. They're not timeless and the Emperor is actually older than them. The Chaos Gods may appear timeless because the Warp is a weird place, but they do have more or less definite dates of birth.
No the Prince of Chaos is pretty much powerfull.. urgle get power onlky during pandémies..... He is just the "yougest" or the last taht manifest his presence in the warhammer 40 000 universe. He have the power to enslave and mindrape.
The power of the ennemy is his own power...
For horus :
"Chaos won whether Horus lived or died. If Horus lived Chaos be at its peak for a short few Millennia and go from raging fire to cinders. Horus and Emperor dead now means they have 10k+ years of a steady Fire to live off of. With the Emperor did they won!!! Mankind will fall that is the Grim Dark setting of 40K. "
Nemisis and Legion.
"The oldest of the Chaos Gods, Khorne, was born during humanity's iron age. They're not timeless and the Emperor is actually older than them. The Chaos Gods may appear timeless because the Warp is a weird place, but they do have more or less definite dates of birth."
Born in this world it mean appear in this dimension....
Tzeentch is a complex multiversale + being.. For sure. He appear in multiple wworlds an version of the warhammer 40 000 universe... + His goal is to rule elsewere in secret... Where there is conpiracy lie and sorcery Tzeentch live....
"All those quotes you've given me come from Black Library writers. Some of them play hard and loose with the canon and tend to overuse hyperbole in their writings to make things seem more dramatic and 'epic'. They usually fail at this and only succeed at making things look silly."
Yhea that's why warhammer 40 000 faction are kinda... O.P.
Theree is multiple interpretation of warhammer 40 000 universe about the warp.. Everythings is higly details mythos and legends....
Originally posted by Revanchiste
No the Prince of Chaos is pretty much powerfull.. urgle get power onlky during pandémies..... He is just the "yougest" or the last taht manifest his presence in the warhammer 40 000 universe. He have the power to enslave and mindrape.
The power of the ennemy is his own power...For horus :
"Chaos won whether Horus lived or died. If Horus lived Chaos be at its peak for a short few Millennia and go from raging fire to cinders. Horus and Emperor dead now means they have 10k+ years of a steady Fire to live off of. With the Emperor did they won!!! Mankind will fall that is the Grim Dark setting of 40K. "
Nemisis and Legion.
"The oldest of the Chaos Gods, Khorne, was born during humanity's iron age. They're not timeless and the Emperor is actually older than them. The Chaos Gods may appear timeless because the Warp is a weird place, but they do have more or less definite dates of birth."
Born in this world it mean appear in this dimension....
Tzeentch is a complex multiversale + being.. For sure. He appear in multiple wworlds an version of the warhammer 40 000 universe... + His goal is to rule elsewere in secret... Where there is conpiracy lie and sorcery Tzeentch live....
"All those quotes you've given me come from Black Library writers. Some of them play hard and loose with the canon and tend to overuse hyperbole in their writings to make things seem more dramatic and 'epic'. They usually fail at this and only succeed at making things look silly."
Yhea that's why warhammer 40 000 faction are kinda... O.P.
Theree is multiple interpretation of warhammer 40 000 universe about the warp.. Everythings is higly details mythos and legends....
Yes, if Horus had won humanity would have pretty much self-destructed resulting in Chaos losing its main source of nourishment. Which, once again, proves that the Chaos Gods are limited to the Milky Way galaxy.
What do you mean he "appeared in this dimension"? You mean the Warp? Cause there are only two(three, if you consider the Webway to be a separate dimension) dimensions in 40K.
Appearing on multiple worlds doesn't make Tzeentch Multiversal. He has never demonstrated anything even close to that kind of power. Tzeentch gets obliterated by any Marvel cosmic being with ease.
Not all that OP, actually. There are plenty of universes far more powerful than 40K. If by 'multiple interpretations' you mean hyperbole, contradictions and in-universe confusion.
