Warhammer 40k vs. Marvel Universe

Basicly Tzeetch take pleasure to write.. he have his own taste...

Peharps in pure rawn power he is only 1-C within the warp but.. By sheming he show the ability to perform impossible feats far beyond his pure "physical" capacities. He is responsible for everything that happen in the warhammer 40 000 universe.

His victory over the emperor of mankind is a feat that show that he is able to accomplish far more things than his pure psychic capacity used in a "khorne fashion" could do...
Even more he make him dance on his tune. He take his time an let his foe hope victory.

When tzeentch plan is written his foe have already lost.

Originally posted by Revanchiste
Basicly Tzeetch take pleasure to write.. he have his own taste...

Peharps in pure rawn power he is only 1-C within the warp but.. By sheming he show the ability to perform impossible feats far beyond his pure "physical" capacities. He is responsible for everything that happen in the warhammer 40 000 universe.

His victory over the emperor of mankind is a feat that show that he is able to accomplish far more things than his pure psychic capacity used in a "khorne fashion" could do...
Even more he make him dance on his tune. He take his time an let his foe hope victory.

When tzeentch plan is written his foe have already lost.

No, he's not behind everything in the WH40K universe. He did not even exist during the War in Heaven and other pivotal events in the history of the galaxy, like the birth of the Emperor.

The rest of your post is basically unsubstantiated nonsense and wanking so I'm not going to bother responding.

Originally posted by Revanchiste
Chaos god have ever lived an existed they existed outside warhammer 40 000 universe...
That's higly suggestted...
It is higly suggested that they are shapless entity that live in the "néant" (it's a particalare way to mean nothingness néant mean the absolute nothingness)
Only one godds with a shape to this place and have adopted a form... : Tzeentch.

+ It is given to tzeentch the title of the impossible maker...
Quote :
" One can go mad, and many have, trying to study even the smallest threads of the Great Schemer and to perform the impossible: to describe him and to fix him to one shape, one form, one motive, one truth."
Only one person have describe Tzeentch : Himself.

I cannot find a clear quote.. But Tzeentch is higly associate with the possibility to realize the impossible...

So the only quote you can find is that some mortal went mad by trying to study Tzeentch?

You cannot find the quote because it probably doesn't exist or you gravely misunderstood something.

"Do you mean the Eldar "gods"? The problem is that the Eldar gods and the Emperor are weaklings compared to beings like Galactus. Tzeentch had to ally with the other 3 Gods and use Horus to beat the Emperor, and even then the Emperor is still alive and fighting(in a fashion). Again, you keep saying "in the Warp this, in the Warp that", but the truth is that the Warp does not and cannot magically make a non-omnipotent being omnipotent by the virtue of that being entering the Warp. The Emperor was, and never will be, omnipotent outside or inside the Warp."

Well except one eldar god who will be clearly able to kill someone like galactus..

Tzeench loose sometimes :
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/11113/111130441/3843501-4223138668-13658.jpg
Or does he? That's the question..

Fore the god emperor before finding the quote even more feats :
The Emperor is capable of stopping time, allowing him to move while everyone else is frozen. He can also extend this effect to others. ref: The Inquisition War, False Gods

The Emperor is also capable of transforming his physical body, taking on a more unassuming (and human) appearance. ref: The Last Church, Vulkan’s origin story

The Emperor can grant powers, such as immortality to people. ref: Deliverance Lost

And er I just find the feat in question in a commentary of an other guy on an other versus forum... Nothing official since thsi feats is quasy meaningless !!!!
He have so many "**** physic law" feats... But I will find it will take time like Revan feats...

He could easly solo the entire DBZ verse.....

Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
No, he's not behind everything in the WH40K universe. He did not even exist during the War in Heaven and other pivotal events in the history of the galaxy, like the birth of the Emperor.

The rest of your post is basically unsubstantiated nonsense and wanking so I'm not going to bother responding.

But Since he find a way to manifest himself in the warhammer 40 000 universe..

Originally posted by Revanchiste
Ynnead God of death and paradoxin gestation within the wwarp he will born corrupted to the deepest of his sould and kill slaanesh but when I mean kill.. I mean not only within the warp.... And kill him for eternity...

It's an eldar god the last hope for the eldar race !!! (Even if it is written that he will born when the last eldar will die....) So as long eldar lives marvel characters don't risk anything because the power of this god is just.... No word........ It equal Tzeencth sheming capacity.... He just can basicly destroy any character that have ever been imagined.... So power that it could create big mother ****ing time paradox... He can even kill himself.. Well if he do that that will **** up an entire metaverse....

Read Eldrad Ulthran prophécy for more details....

That's not the first time I'm talking about this god....

Ynnead, in Eldar mythology, is supposed to be a god that will be born out of a gestalt of Eldar souls that will kill Slaanesh and redeem the Eldar race.

Eldrad's prophesy says absolutely nothing about Ynnead being metaversal in power or omnipotent, or anything like that. It's just another powerful Warp being.

@jwwprod: Too bad he had planned for creed to win, so that he will allow his over confidence to get the better of him, thus luring his troops into a crushing defeat and furthering chaos's goal while gaining more followers to those whom surrendered their will to tzeentch, allowing him to hunt for pieces of his staff thus being able to almost increase his product the staff by another few thousand years due to a few last minute plans allowing him to get what he always wanted at a lesser time span, thus allowing creed to fail in shame so that others can sprout from creed thus luring more troops into the battlefield against tzeentch and chaos thus allowing even more followers to help him find the pieces of his staff, all while only putting a few thoughts into this plan allowing his to slowly again become more powerful to deal with nurgle's sack lovers and become the best there is for a brief second to only again get more forces due to the people whom took creed's place that had failed against the great might chaos god tzeentch. With that in mind his forces grow as so = All things bear His influence... All destiny is seen by Him... The Great Sorcerer, The Changer of Ways, the name is immaterial. He is the greatest mind that ever was or ever shall be. His Eye watches all things, as He plots in all directions. Brother You have burned Prospero damned my Legion and destroyed everything that I have fought for. Know now that I do not only fight to avenge Prospero but to redeem myself for not fighting for her in her hour of need. On this day the souls of Prospero shall sleep well knowing their murderer has met justice on this day you will pay for your ignorance on this day my Legion will get the revenge they deserve. On this day the Emperor loses another son so come brother now and forever let us end thisWe we have our revenge for the Burning of Prospero, for we are The Thousand Sons! I was there when the Wolves, blinded by their hate and the deciet of Horus, decended on our planet. Wolves of Russ... I will burn you all!!! And so you to shall be Dust! AAAAAAAAAAAAASSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS PLANNED!

Unquoted evrsion :

@jwwprod: Too bad he had planned for creed to win, so that he will allow his over confidence to get the better of him, thus luring his troops into a crushing defeat and furthering chaos's goal while gaining more followers to those whom surrendered their will to tzeentch, allowing him to hunt for pieces of his staff thus being able to almost increase his product the staff by another few thousand years due to a few last minute plans allowing him to get what he always wanted at a lesser time span, thus allowing creed to fail in shame so that others can sprout from creed thus luring more troops into the battlefield against tzeentch and chaos thus allowing even more followers to help him find the pieces of his staff, all while only putting a few thoughts into this plan allowing his to slowly again become more powerful to deal with nurgle's sack lovers and become the best there is for a brief second to only again get more forces due to the people whom took creed's place that had failed against the great might chaos god tzeentch. With that in mind his forces grow as so =

All things bear His influence... All destiny is seen by Him... The Great Sorcerer, The Changer of Ways, the name is immaterial. He is the greatest mind that ever was or ever shall be. His Eye watches all things, as He plots in all directions. Brother You have burned Prospero damned my Legion and destroyed everything that I have fought for. Know now that I do not only fight to avenge Prospero but to redeem myself for not fighting for her in her hour of need. On this day the souls of Prospero shall sleep well knowing their murderer has met justice on this day you will pay for your ignorance on this day my Legion will get the revenge they deserve. On this day the Emperor loses another son so come brother now and forever let us end thisWe we have our revenge for the Burning of Prospero, for we are The Thousand Sons! I was there when the Wolves, blinded by their hate and the deciet of Horus, decended on our planet. Wolves of Russ... I will burn you all!!! And so you to shall be Dust!

AAAAAAAAAAAAASSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS PLANNED!

So basicly he seem to loose but he always win...

Originally posted by Revanchiste
"Do you mean the Eldar "gods"? The problem is that the Eldar gods and the Emperor are weaklings compared to beings like Galactus. Tzeentch had to ally with the other 3 Gods and use Horus to beat the Emperor, and even then the Emperor is still alive and fighting(in a fashion). Again, you keep saying "in the Warp this, in the Warp that", but the truth is that the Warp does not and cannot magically make a non-omnipotent being omnipotent by the virtue of that being entering the Warp. The Emperor was, and never will be, omnipotent outside or inside the Warp."

Well except one eldar god who will be clearly able to kill someone like galactus..

Tzeench loose sometimes :
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/11113/111130441/3843501-4223138668-13658.jpg
Or does he? That's the question..

Fore the god emperor before finding the quote even more feats :
The Emperor is capable of stopping time, allowing him to move while everyone else is frozen. He can also extend this effect to others. ref: The Inquisition War, False Gods

The Emperor is also capable of transforming his physical body, taking on a more unassuming (and human) appearance. ref: The Last Church, Vulkan’s origin story

The Emperor can grant powers, such as immortality to people. ref: Deliverance Lost

And er I just find the feat in question in a commentary of an other guy on an other versus forum... Nothing official since thsi feats is quasy meaningless !!!!
He have so many "**** physic law" feats... But I will find it will take time like Revan feats...

He could easly solo the entire DBZ verse.....

If you're talking about Ynnead, we don't know what its powers would be because it still doesn't exist(and may never exist), but it's extremely unlikely that it would be anywhere near powerful enough to harm Galactus.

So the Emperor can freeze time, change his physical appearance, grant immortality? Big whooping deal. All of this is child's play compared to even the weakest of Marvel's cosmic beings. Don't even dare to compare him to somebody like Galactus. Come back to me when he destroys at least an entire universe.

Who cares about DBZ?

Originally posted by Revanchiste
But Since he find a way to manifest himself in the warhammer 40 000 universe..

Tzeentch did not manifest himself in the WH40K universe, he was created by the collective thoughts and emotions of the Milky Way galaxy's sentient beings. Just like the other Chaos Gods and daemons.

You say blabla I missunderstood etc.. O.K may I look like a ****ing idiot.. But I am not..
One day I found that Revan was able to summon lightnings from the sky and controlling the elements the rakkatas talked about elementary magic it was on a youtube video... latter I couldn find the video again when I was needed to proove that Revan was higly advanced in TK via later environement.

But after month of reasearch I found my focking dam quote. So be patient....

Like Revan being teached by Vitiate himself :
http://assiste.free.fr/kotor_2/personnage_revan.html
I know when I'm not stupid...
I check my sources in multiples languages and it's hard to find the exact english quote sometimes. So fporgive me...

But I have a character able to salin the emperor of man kind a guy who solo the entire Green Lantern Corps with ease....

And Ynnead could easly kill galactus and many character at the same level...
And Ynnead not even born it mean the eldar still alive !!!

I'm reliying on X-Factor always.

Originally posted by Revanchiste
Unquoted evrsion :

@jwwprod: Too bad he had planned for creed to win, so that he will allow his over confidence to get the better of him, thus luring his troops into a crushing defeat and furthering chaos's goal while gaining more followers to those whom surrendered their will to tzeentch, allowing him to hunt for pieces of his staff thus being able to almost increase his product the staff by another few thousand years due to a few last minute plans allowing him to get what he always wanted at a lesser time span, thus allowing creed to fail in shame so that others can sprout from creed thus luring more troops into the battlefield against tzeentch and chaos thus allowing even more followers to help him find the pieces of his staff, all while only putting a few thoughts into this plan allowing his to slowly again become more powerful to deal with nurgle's sack lovers and become the best there is for a brief second to only again get more forces due to the people whom took creed's place that had failed against the great might chaos god tzeentch. With that in mind his forces grow as so =

All things bear His influence... All destiny is seen by Him... The Great Sorcerer, The Changer of Ways, the name is immaterial. He is the greatest mind that ever was or ever shall be. His Eye watches all things, as He plots in all directions. Brother You have burned Prospero damned my Legion and destroyed everything that I have fought for. Know now that I do not only fight to avenge Prospero but to redeem myself for not fighting for her in her hour of need. On this day the souls of Prospero shall sleep well knowing their murderer has met justice on this day you will pay for your ignorance on this day my Legion will get the revenge they deserve. On this day the Emperor loses another son so come brother now and forever let us end thisWe we have our revenge for the Burning of Prospero, for we are The Thousand Sons! I was there when the Wolves, blinded by their hate and the deciet of Horus, decended on our planet. Wolves of Russ... I will burn you all!!! And so you to shall be Dust!

AAAAAAAAAAAAASSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS PLANNED!

So basicly he seem to loose but he always win...

So Tzeentch was able to trick a mortal man? Well, that's a start, but it's still a very far cry indeed from tricking a cosmic being such as Galactus.

Originally posted by Revanchiste
You say blabla I missunderstood etc.. O.K may I look like a ****ing idiot.. But I am not..
One day I found that Revan was able to summon lightnings from the sky and controlling the elements the rakkatas talked about elementary magic it was on a youtube video... latter I couldn find the video again when I was needed to proove that Revan was higly advanced in TK via later environement.

But after month of reasearch I found my focking dam quote. So be patient....

Like Revan being teached by Vitiate himself :
http://assiste.free.fr/kotor_2/personnage_revan.html
I know when I'm not stupid...

You say blabla I missunderstood etc.. O.K may I look like a ****ing idiot.. But I am not..
One day I found that Revan was able to summon lightnings from the sky and controlling the elements the rakkatas talked about elementary magic it was on a youtube video... latter I couldn find the video again when I was needed to proove that Revan was higly advanced in TK via later environement.

But after month of reasearch I found my focking dam quote. So be patient....

Like Revan being teached by Vitiate himself :
http://assiste.free.fr/kotor_2/personnage_revan.html
I know when I'm not stupid...
I check my sources in multiples languages and it's hard to find the exact english quote sometimes. So fporgive me...

But I have a character able to salin the emperor of man kind a guy who solo the entire Green Lantern Corps with ease....

And Ynnead could easly kill galactus and many character at the same level...
And Ynnead not even born it mean the eldar still alive !!!

I'm reliying on X-Factor always.

"
Tzeentch did not manifest himself in the WH40K universe, he was created by the collective thoughts and emotions of the Milky Way galaxy's sentient beings. Just like the other Chaos Gods and daemons." that could be true for Khorne or some other chaos gods. Who are basicly completly immortal....
Well except for Ynnead who say : "**** the X factor it's not gonna to save you anyway"
It is said an resaid chaos god are entities that have ever lived. It is clear that the warp is connected to multiple universe but there is diferent versions of the warp itself.

Originally posted by Revanchiste
I check my sources in multiples languages and it's hard to find the exact english quote sometimes. So fporgive me...

But I have a character able to salin the emperor of man kind a guy who solo the entire Green Lantern Corps with ease....

And Ynnead could easly kill galactus and many character at the same level...
And Ynnead not even born it mean the eldar still alive !!!

I'm reliying on X-Factor always.

"
Tzeentch did not manifest himself in the WH40K universe, he was created by the collective thoughts and emotions of the Milky Way galaxy's sentient beings. Just like the other Chaos Gods and daemons." that could be true for Khorne or some other chaos gods. Who are basicly completly immortal....
Well except for Ynnead who say : "**** the X factor it's not gonna to save you anyway"
It is said an resaid chaos god are entities that have ever lived. It is clear that the warp is connected to multiple universe but there is diferent versions of the warp itself.

Alright, I will be waiting patiently for the quotes.

How can Ynnead easily kill Galactus when it does not even exist yet? When we don't even know how power Ynnead is even going to be? Supposedly powerful enough to kill Slaanesh, but Slaanesh is the weakest God so that's not saying very much.

What X-Factor?

Got any concrete proof of that?

X-Factors are factors that could change the course of victory even when all odds are against the winners.
For example : A guy is 100 000 000 times more powerfull than his opponent.. But that's not a stomp his opponent have the abilities, to reflect and deflect any wattack thank to a mystical power. And even send it back to his opponent.

Ynnead can kill a chaos gods.. And not only the manifestation in the warp.. The chaos gods himself forever... The describtio of his powerare just astonishing, I mean with Ynnead death won't be afraid of Chuck Norris anymore. He is able to defeat and erase any rank character forever, even back in the past and can kill him in an entire multiverse..
He is just cappble of destroying the universe or more an entire metaverse.

They are factor that could bring victory via other way than pure raw power.

And do not forget :
1-A: Metaverse level+:

Characters that that have no dimensional limitations, and are beyond scientific definition, the realm of metaphysics.

Basically it means that an object is outside of all concepts of time and space. This is something completely formless, abstract, metaphysical and transcendental. The usual scale does not make sense against a beyond dimensional object. Such beings can not be affected by destruction within the dimensions of time and space, or physical matter and energy. This "Space" in which there is no dimension can be the background for any dimensional space. I.e. there exists an infinite number of imaginary dimensions. Within such a dimensionless "space" you can place any dimensional structure (even an infinite-dimensional Hilbert space), because there are no restrictions for dimensions.

Chaos gods exist at Metaverse level. Tzeentch himself live at Metaverse level +.
Their manifestation in the warp is 1-C : Copmlexe multiverse level..

Théories récentes sur le chaos

Les derniers suppléments en date pour les 5e et 6e édition de Warhammer Fantasy Battle laissent entrevoir la possibilité que le Chaos et les dieux du Chaos sont engendrés par les espoirs et les désirs les plus sombres de l'âme humaine. Les dieux du Chaos seraient apparus avec les premières guerres humaines. Khorne représente la rage, Tzeentch l'espoir, Nurgle le désespoir et Slaanesh le désir et le plaisir. De même, les démons seraient des cauchemars humains auxquels le Chaos a donné forme.

Ceci dit, ces théories s'accordent peu avec l'univers de Warhammer 40,000, étant donné que le Chaos préexistait aux hommes dans le monde de Warhammer et que des races plus anciennes telles que les Hauts Elfes ont lutté dans le passé contre le Chaos. Par ailleurs, la genèse de Slaanesh est clairement expliquée dans l'univers de Warhammer 40,000 par la décadence des Eldars.

I'm getting closer...

But :

Ceci dit, ces théories s'accordent davantage avec l'univers de warhammer 40 000, étant donné que le chaos préexistait aux hommes sur le monde de warhammer et que des races plus anciennes telles que les Hauts Elfes ont lutté dans le passé contre le chaos. Par ailleurs, la génèse de Slaanesh est clairement expliquée dans l'univers de warhammer 40 000 par la décadence des Eldars."
Ceci montre bien votre incompréhension globale des univers de Warhammer et de Warhammer40k, ou un refus de voir la vérité que Games Workshop n'a jamais il est vrai pleinement reconnu mais préfere laisser des indices concordants. Je veux dire que le monde de Warhammer est partie intégrante de celui de Warhammer 40K et que la bataille des elfes contre le chaos est contemporaine à celle des Eldars.

Justement, l'imbrication des deux mondes est suggérée mais en aucun cas confirmée (un peu comme la théorie selon laquelle Sigmar serait en fait un Primarque). Aucune des deux théories n'ayant été pleinement confirmée par un écrit provenant de Games Worckshop, j'ai présenté les deux sans en choisir aucune pour plus vraie que l'autre dans un but explicatif et de neutralité, il n'y a donc pas d'incompréhension de ma part, seulement une volonté de traiter du chaos sans parti pris. (Davidus 15 juin 2006 à 00:49 (CEST)Davidus)

Cet article a été recentré afin qu'il décrive le chaos dans Warhammer et W40K. Ca ne sert à rien d'avoir deux articles pour traiter de la même chose. Pour ce qui est des forces du chaos (spaces marines, hordes, bêtes...), il faudra traiter ca dans leurs articles dédiés. Rborune 15 novembre 2007 à 01:17 (CET)

Pour les 4 dieux principaux, comme ils ont leur propres articles, ce serait bien de mettre juste une phrase de présentation sur cette page. Rborune (d) 26 novembre 2007 à 15:57 (CET)

Je ne pense pas que la catégorie Religion de Warhammer soit la bonne pour cet article. La catégorie Warhammer serait plus judicieuse. De plus dans Forces du Chaos, la mention grimoire du chaos n'a rien à y faire. Rborune (d) 6 mars 2008 à 12:18 (CET)

There is also gods of order.

Arianka Illuminas and Solkan are goods of order !! Finaly found their name !!!

Many beings in Marvel on even Silver Surfer's tier can solo DBZ too, so not sure why he's bringing up GEoM being able to solo it as if it were that big a deal in this thread

I'vz an excuse : I'am a black homosexual mexican metrosexual that livce near and echangist nightclub and I smoke Bob marley car fuel everyday. And I'm musilm.
How dare you to tell that I'm wrong racist !

Originally posted by Revanchiste
X-Factors are factors that could change the course of victory even when all odds are against the winners.
For example : A guy is 100 000 000 times more powerfull than his opponent.. But that's not a stomp his opponent have the abilities, to reflect and deflect any wattack thank to a mystical power. And even send it back to his opponent.

Ynnead can kill a chaos gods.. And not only the manifestation in the warp.. The chaos gods himself forever... The describtio of his powerare just astonishing, I mean with Ynnead death won't be afraid of Chuck Norris anymore. He is able to defeat and erase any rank character forever, even back in the past and can kill him in an entire multiverse..
He is just cappble of destroying the universe or more an entire metaverse.

They are factor that could bring victory via other way than pure raw power.

And do not forget :
1-A: Metaverse level+:

Characters that that have no dimensional limitations, and are beyond scientific definition, the realm of metaphysics.

Basically it means that an object is outside of all concepts of time and space. This is something completely formless, abstract, metaphysical and transcendental. The usual scale does not make sense against a beyond dimensional object. Such beings can not be affected by destruction within the dimensions of time and space, or physical matter and energy. This "Space" in which there is no dimension can be the background for any dimensional space. I.e. there exists an infinite number of imaginary dimensions. Within such a dimensionless "space" you can place any dimensional structure (even an infinite-dimensional Hilbert space), because there are no restrictions for dimensions.

Chaos gods exist at Metaverse level. Tzeentch himself live at Metaverse level +.
Their manifestation in the warp is 1-C : Copmlexe multiverse level..

So X-Factor is something you just made up, isn't it? What you're saying here is basically: "My character wins no matter what!". That's utter bunk.

Chaos Gods ARE manifestations in the Warp. It's the very definition of a daemon(which Chaos Gods are) — manifestations in the Warp brought on by the emotions and thoughts of sentient beings in realspace. They don't exist anywhere else. Ynnead can kill or erase anybody? Bullshit. Provide me with a source that says that Ynnead is omnipotent.

Look, this 1-A, 2-B, 3-C ranking system you're using has zero authority to me and is probably something you just made up. Stop using it.

What you just described here are basically Marvel's cosmic beings. Hell, Galactus with the Ultimate Nullifier can destroy abstract concepts. Of course, it doesn't really matter because the Chaos Gods are nothing like that.

No, they don't. No, Tzeentch is not Metaversal+. The Chaos Gods exist in a single dimension that's called the Warp and they don't even control a galaxy's worth of it. They are Galactic-level at best and that's being extremely generous.

Originally posted by Revanchiste
Arianka Illuminas and Solkan are goods of order !! Finaly found their name !!!

These are gods from Warhammer Fantasy. They don't exist in WH40K.

You've gotta kinda respect his refusal to accept that none of this is right on his end.