Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Yah.
Nah times a million.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Ventress did so with extreme effort. Considering the ease in which Dooku can casually toss Obi Wan around like a weak feeb, then I'm pretty sure that under similar circumstance, he could do the same with far, far more ease than Ventress, considering how Dooku renders most force users as non-factors with TK alone.Even though it was a one off feat, it does show how much raw power she has, and she literally dominated them and held them in a force choke for some seconds, which is more impressive than just hurling them around. Regardless, we don't know the full circumstance of Revan tossing them around, do we? We just know that somewhere in the fight, he does it on account of it being a scripted event. Ventress has also nearly crushed the heart of master Fay, and would have killed her had Fay not used the force to put her to sleep. Ventress has consistently used the force on other powerful force users.
Uh... no? If Dooku could do that... he would have. He can't choke out both Anakin and Obi-Wan at once with any amount of effort, don't be a tard. If he could he wouldn't have gotten his arms cut off and beheaded. He wouldn't have gotten strangled like he was. Remember that fight? When Dooku was trying to hold off Anakin with TK and was getting overpowered? Stop being a dummy.
Or maybe it just shows that Anakin and Obi-Wan aren't as good as you wank them as. The circumstances behind Revan's feat doesn't really matter. He did it while in combat with them and two others and iirc it was before his whole "Revan is channeling the Force" thing.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
List some feats. That crate feat of Kenobi's is hardly his best TK feat. He's pushed through shielded droids, crushed droids, and has used TK on a molecular level to cause huge water wave, which shows just how refined he is with TK.
Nah, I don't really want to. That would require some effort on my part. Regardless of whatever you think, the Wrath is an exceptionally powerful Sith and Nox is as well. They're AT LEAST on freaking Obi-Wan and Anakin levels by that point.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Usually when you make a claim, the burden of proof falls in your hand, and considering that out side of Revan's fight with Vitiate, Revan has never performed feats beyond that of Ventress, how would you be able to prove Vitiate would dominate her with TK, if he failed to do so to Revan?IMO, Vitiate should be able to, but we're arguing based on showings here, and Vitiate failing to dominate Revan isn't proof that he can dominate Ventress, considering Revan hasn't did anything feat-wise to prove that he is better than Ventress in TK; in fact, it just proves the exact opposite if we rely on strict feats.
I think you misunderstand whats happening here. I'm not making a claim, I'm not debating you or anything. I'm simply saying some true statements and then you're replying to them. I already told you: Theres no point seriously discussing anything with you on this subject.
But you're an idiot if you're going to seriously suggest Vitiate can't dominate her with TK. Vitiate not dominating Revan IS a feat establishing him as superior to her.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Feats speak for themselves, Neph. You can keep repeating this all you want, but they don't make Revan's TK feats greater. It's the same way you keep suggesting Bane rivals Vader in TK, despite the fact that Cart has just proven that he doesn't.
Yes, and they say that he's much greater than her. A bunch of worthless CWC feats don't equal Revan's feats in any way. His feats are better than hers. The feats speak for themselves in this regard.
You supporting carthage only harms your own credibility so you may want to cool it on that front.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
So when are you going to prove this?
I already did in that debate you're so buttmad about. That you're still so hysterical over it only proves that you know I was right.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Nah times a million.Uh... no? If Dooku could do that... he would have. He can't choke out both Anakin and Obi-Wan at once with any amount of effort, don't be a tard. If he could he wouldn't have gotten his arms cut off and beheaded. He wouldn't have gotten strangled like he was. Remember that fight? When Dooku was trying to hold off Anakin with TK and was getting overpowered? Stop being a dummy.
Or maybe it just shows that Anakin and Obi-Wan aren't as good as you wank them as. The circumstances behind Revan's feat doesn't really matter. He did it while in combat with them and two others and iirc it was before his whole "Revan is channeling the Force" thing.
Nah, I don't really want to. That would require some effort on my part. Regardless of whatever you think, the Wrath is an exceptionally powerful Sith and Nox is as well. They're AT LEAST on freaking Obi-Wan and Anakin levels by that point.
I think you misunderstand whats happening here. I'm not making a claim, I'm not debating you or anything. I'm simply saying some true statements and then you're replying to them. I already told you: Theres no point seriously discussing anything with you on this subject.
But you're an idiot if you're going to seriously suggest Vitiate can't dominate her with TK. Vitiate not dominating Revan IS a feat establishing him as superior to her.
Yes, and they say that he's much greater than her. A bunch of worthless CWC feats don't equal Revan's feats in any way. His feats are better than hers. The feats speak for themselves in this regard.
You supporting carthage only harms your own credibility so you may want to cool it on that front.
I already did in that debate you're so buttmad about. That you're still so hysterical over it only proves that you know I was right.
1) Repeat it times 100 million, still doesn't make it so.
2) You need to go back over my post again, child.
3) Then neither does Ventress'. All that matters is that she did it. Anakin+Kenobi > Nox+Wrath.
4) Nah, because you really can't.
5) You don't know what making a claim is now? Because, you know, that's what you did. If you can't back up your claims, then why respond?
6) I already told you what I thought, which isn't based on who has better showings in TK, which is what you're arguing. The fact is you can't prove that he could dominate Ventress with TK. You also can't prove that Vitiate not dominating Revan with TK means that Revan is Ventress superior in that regard because, firstly, Vitiate has never tried to dominate Ventress in that regard and, secondly, outside of his fight with Vitiate, Revan has no TK feats that are beyond that of Ventress', therefore there is no proof that Vitiate could dominate Ventress if he couldn't dominate Revan, which in turn doesn't prove Revan's superiority over her in that particular area. Simple logic.
7) And a bunch or worthless scripted in game mechanics, that lack a great deal of context, don't equal to Ventress' TK feats.
8) I don't care what you or a bunch of other idiots think about Carthage. I think he is a good debater and he's my son (yes you are Cart, don't lie!). I'm not one to jump on the bandwagon. My opinion isn't swayed or influenced by the majority. That's not to say my opinion can't change on certain matters by another person, but not on the account of what a majority of individuals think.
9) The only one mad here is you, and when I prove that Yoda would stomp Vitiate rather viciously, you're going to be even madder.
Originally posted by Sinious
I'm tired of your frequent use of future tense. Do it or shut up.
Already have basically. Far better TK, faster, can defend against anything Vitiate throws at him. Add his saber skills, it's a stomp. I'm just going to go in greater detail. Just not enough time to finish, but soon.
Not like you will admit it, because you are a blind Vitiate fanboy, which is why you haven't provided an argument as to why Vitiate is a more powerful force user combat-wise.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Already have basically. Far better TK, faster, can defend against anything Vitiate throws at him. Add his saber skills, it's a stomp. I'm just going to go in greater detail. Just not enough time to finish, but soon.Not like you will admit it, because you are a blind Vitiate fanboy, which is why you haven't provided an argument as to why Vitiate is a more powerful force user combat-wise.
All out, I'm not sure yet myself so don't put words in my mouth.
Force wise;
Vitiate with his weakened Voice just about to die, collapsed a big part of the Dark Temple with his TK. Yoda got nothing on him. Vitiate just didnt use TK that much.
Vitiate isnt getting blitzed by anyone. He never showed any lack of speed and performed excellently against HoT. His mind capacity also suggests his speed as he can multitask more than anyone else in TOR perhaps even in the entire myths.(Barring the Ones)
Prove Yoda can defend against his FLS which dominated the jedi strike team that were sent to capture him and his concentrated lightning.
Again never said he is a far more powerful force user. And look who is calling me a fanboy. 😆
Originally posted by Sinious
All out, I'm not sure yet myself so don't put words in my mouth.Force wise;
Vitiate with his weakened Voice just about to die, collapsed a big part of the Dark Temple with his TK. Yoda got nothing on him. Vitiate just didnt use TK that much.
Vitiate isnt getting blitzed by anyone. He never showed any lack of speed and performed excellently against HoT. His mind capacity also suggests his speed as he can multitask more than anyone else in TOR perhaps even in the entire myths.(Barring the Ones)
Prove Yoda can defend against his FLS which dominated the jedi strike team that were sent to capture him and his concentrated lightning.
Again never said he is a far more powerful force user. And look who is calling me a fanboy. 😆
To claim that Yoda has nothing on Vitiate in TK is to suggest that Sidious doesn't either. Even Skillz thinks that both Yoda and ROTS Sidious has the edge in TK, because that's easy to see that they have better TK showings. You claim to be a Sidious fan, yet that's hard for you to see? Stop being a poser and admit to being a Vitiate fanboy.
Multitask lol right, like against Revan or the strike team. In fact, his best combat feat is against the strike team, and he used one attack and then followed up with another charged attack. One attack at a time.
By defending against Sidious' lightning, which is more powerful than Vitiate's FLS, as I explained in the thread Cart linked. refute it, or just stop.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
To claim that Yoda has nothing on Vitiate in TK is to suggest that Sidious doesn't either. Even Skillz thinks that both Yoda and ROTS Sidious has the edge in TK, because that's easy to see that they have better TK showings. You claim to be a Sidious fan, yet that's hard for you to see? Stop being a poser and admit to being a Vitiate fanboy.Multitask lol right, like against Revan or the strike team. In fact, his best combat feat is against the strike team, and he used one attack and then followed up with another charged attack. One attack at a time.
By defending against Sidious' lightning, which is more powerful than Vitiate's FLS, as I explained in the thread Cart linked. refute it, or just stop.
Yoda has more feats TK wise as Vitaite haven't used it much on screen. I don't deny that. Also, me being a Sidious fan doesn't mean I won't compare other characters to Sidious. In fact, I event think Vitiate may be more powerful than ROTS Sidious force wise. It shouldn't bother you that much.
Well his FLS still had them stunned while he charged for it, hadn't it?
Where did you prove ROTS Sidious' lightning is more powerful than Vitiate again? I don't care to look for it in that link. Just paste it here where we debate.
Whenever he used it, he failed to take an opponent down. I actually was a bid pissed at the writers because of this. They should've made Sidious' lightning a bit more devastating during PT. Or perhaps its meant to be that way?
Vitiate with his weakened Voice just about to die, collapsed a big part of the Dark Temple with his TK. Yoda got nothing on him. Vitiate just didnt use TK that much.
He was collapsing it as he died, and its hardly applicable in combat because you know he was dying? Also it was on a nexus and given Vitiate's track record and lack of feats off nexus, there is no evidence he can replicate that feat in the same setting you chose for this.
Yoda has supported Ventress's ship in flight, TKED entire armies of droids, smashed together Multiple Droid landing crafts as well as tanks/droids, moved a massive crane, lifted an X wing (while dying), hurled senate pods, and sent Palpatine flying.
Nothing Vitiate achieved comes close to shoving back multiple CIS transports/tanks/armies of droids combined.
Vitiate isnt getting blitzed by anyone. He never showed any lack of speed and performed excellently against HoT. His mind capacity also suggests his speed as he can multitask more than anyone else in TOR perhaps even in the entire myths.(Barring the Ones)
Vitiate kept up with Revan and HoT on a nexus. He has no speed feats in a non darkside area to support your opinion. Yoda has kept up with Palpatine, dodged blaster bolts from entire armies of droids, dodged attacks from Jedi masters Plo Koon, Saesee Tiin, and Depa Billaba while not moving a meter/seeming to stand still, moved his lightsaber faster than Anakin could perceive/surrounded himself in an afterglow, formed streams of residual light fighting Dooku, moved at Palpatine's speed and was considered a "tornado".
Vitiate has no speed feats to compare in a similar setting i,e (non dark side nexus) to show, as he has no source of darkside energy to draw from to augment his speed he gets blitzed.
Prove Yoda can defend against his FLS which dominated the jedi strike team that were sent to capture him and his concentrated lightning.
Vitiate's FL took time to charge, and his lightning is of unproven strength off nexus. Yoda will ragdoll him or kill him before he can gather energy based on their feats. Even if he managed to shoot a bolt Yoda absorbed Palpatines which has killed entire squads of stormtroopers (off nexus) and disintegrated darkside prophets (off nexus), and lit up the face of Coruscant (off nexus).
Vitiate's lightning is inferior and can be absorbed