Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
the same Sidious who has consistently dominated Revan (the guy Vitiate struggled to kill and failed to handle with TK) level force users with mere gestures (even two at a time).
I do have a small quibble with this part: Revan overall as a force user is notably superior to Count Dooku. His raw power easily deflecting Darth Nyriss's FLS, which could instantaneously incinerate powerful force users (such as herself and Meetra/Scourge) demonstrates this. Even telekinetically, Revan's asteroid feat should put him about up to par with Dooku in this facet. And personally I'm not sure Sidious could do that in a combat scenario with such ease, which would be akin to saying Dooku can simply dominate Ventress with TK because he did it once in a non-combat scenario, even though he never did so ever again.
Agreed with everything else though 👆
@Sinious I'm not too sure, tbh. His fleet feat and his ability to drain entire planets and one-shot Traya are all pretty damn good.
SWTOR didnt reach Vitiate's hype and because of that I don't think he is powerful enough to casually summon force powers strong enough to annihilate a dark council until he performs something like that in an expansion. If he was actually that powerful though, being the greatest swordsman in jedi history wouldn't save you.
This however suggests his great knowledge of the force as probably other than Sidious, no one could reach such a level of power. Same could be said for Natemha. Did he mindrape Revan? Did he defeat Revan without getting harmed? Yes. Did he dominate the strike team without any trouble? Again, yes. Could Yoda dominate such a strike team that easily with force powers only? I doubt it.
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
I do have a small quibble with this part: Revan overall as a force user is notably superior to Count Dooku. His raw power easily deflecting Darth Nyriss's FLS, which could instantaneously incinerate powerful force users (such as herself and Meetra/Scourge) demonstrates this. Even telekinetically, Revan's asteroid feat should put him about up to par with Dooku in this facet. And personally I'm not sure Sidious could do that in a combat scenario with such ease, which would be akin to saying Dooku can simply dominate Ventress with TK because he did it once in a non-combat scenario, even though he never did so ever again.Agreed with everything else though 👆
@Sinious I'm not too sure, tbh. His fleet feat and his ability to drain entire planets and one-shot Traya are all pretty damn good.
Revan has better force absorption feats, but that doesn't put him notably above Dooku, considering Dooku has him pretty solidly beat in TK. Ventress' feats of collapsing huge chunks from a cave ceiling and causing an avalanche are comparable to Revan's asteroid feat. Dooku casually dominating a force user as powerful as Ventress is beyond anything Revan has accomplished with TK, considering Ventress's own feats in that area. Not saying Dooku would dominate Revan with the same ease, or that Ventress is a comparable force user to Revan, but the ease in which Dooku can handle Ventress speaks volumes of Dooku's own power. In fact, other than Anakin, Dooku usually ends up dominating other powerful force users via TK. Also, Revan's asteroid feat somewhat lacks context considering it happens during gameplay. All we know is that it happened, but to what extent, and under what circumstance? We don't know the ease in which Revan performs it. We see how casually Dooku can lift 12 obelisks, each weighing multi-tons, at the same time, break off balcony that is larger than a starship, and seal off the entrance of an entire cave.
Sidious has dominated both Maul and Savage in combat situation, and only freed them for his own sadistic amusement: to toy with them. Even as he was falling, he casually force gripped both Maul and Savage and pulled them off the balcony, which shows that Sidious is quite capable of utilizing TK on them during battle, especially considering he used force grip on them which is much harder to perform than a FP, as utilizing grip breaks through the users force aura to directly apply TK on them, which shows a level of sheer dominance. Both Maul and Savage are capable of hurling star ships and dominating other force users with TK such as Obi Wan. In fact, I'll post Savage's TK feats maybe later tonight. Point is, Sidious has shown a level of dominance over force users as powerful as Dooku and Maul+Savage while off a nexus, whereas Vitiate couldn't to Revan while on one. And Sidious has been pretty much consistent with his TK.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
Thats more due to his powers being less destructive, though. I'm confident Yoda is powerful enough to counter anything Vitiate can throw at him.
Thats a good point but it also suggests that Yoda wouldn't be able to break through Vitiate's defenses as well. Yoda had limited knowledge of the sith even of his era and ancient sith usually have more tricky powers. Im not confident that Yoda's power and focus would be enough to keep him alive against Vitiate's constant force attacks along with force tricks, duplication, mindhaxx, and insane TK.
Originally posted by carthage
I was unaware Vitiate "offing" the dark council offpanel and in completel unknown circumstances was a valid feat. But I guess Im "ignoring" feats hy by bringing that up
Was that directed at me? I was being sarcastic. No, Vitiate can't use that feat without prep, otherwise he wouldn't have struggled to kill Revan while on a nexus.
Are you really that stupid boy? Ive stated that because he didnt do the same attack in SWTOR and due to lack of info on how it happened, I also think that he cannot do it casually like that but he asked me if Vitiate's DC one-shot was to be included in this fight, would Yoda stand a chance and he most surely wouldn't.
Originally posted by Sinious
Are you really that stupid boy? Ive stated that because he didnt do the same attack in SWTOR and due to lack of info on how it happened, I also think that he cannot do it casually like that but he asked me if Vitiate's DC one-shot was to be included in this fight, would Yoda stand a chance and he most surely wouldn't.
And you're idiotic enough to even try to use that feat even jokingly. Yoda fought Sidious as a near equal, and moves faster than Hero, Revan, or Vitiate off nexus. I'd humor a debate with you, but since Vitiate is near featless off nexus it's not really productive. Also the last statement is your opinion no one in the Dark council has any feats at to compare to Yoda, even collectively they're unknown and don't compare in the slightest. Yoda could blitz them all
Originally posted by carthage
And you're idiotic enough to even try to use that feat even jokingly. Yoda fought Sidious as a near equal, and moves faster than Hero, Revan, or Vitiate off nexus. I'd humor a debate with you, but since Vitiate is near featless off nexus it's not really productive. Also the last statement is your opinion no one in the Dark council has any feats at to compare to Yoda, even collectively they're unknown and don't compare in the slightest. Yoda could blitz them all
You're trash talking doesn't even make make sense and again, you haven't answered my earlier post. But don't bother, after this thread I've decided to ignore your BS from now on. I'm giving S66 a final chance to prove himself capable of being civilized but you're done. No wonder why several people have been ignoring you all this time.
Originally posted by Sinious
You're trash talking doesn't even make make sense and again, you haven't answered my earlier post. But don't bother, after this thread I've decided to ignore your BS from now on. I'm giving S66 a final chance to prove himself capable of being civilized but you're done. No wonder why several people have been ignoring you all this time.
Your concession is accepted. Also I have no idea what post you're referring to, either post it so I can reply to it or lose another argument like you always do. I could care less if you think I'm civilized, you've utterly failed to prove anything other than absurd arguments from ignorance as always.
Originally posted by carthage
Your concession is accepted. Also I have no idea what post you're referring to, either post it so I can reply to it or lose another argument like you always do. I could care less if you think I'm civilized, you've utterly failed to prove anything other than absurd arguments from ignorance as always.
You're the one who ignored posts and feats all this time as the miserable s**t you are. I've never backed down and I have not conceded now.
Its like 10 pages back now and quite long. Go find it yourself