Originally posted by carver9
When was it stated by Sentry "during the fight"?
You use the phrase in the fight as if it ups your position, you need to take the whole comic in and what was said. Not just the fight.
Right as you know when Reed and Stark asked him to go in to stop him he was about to go when he said "Tony can I have a word".
Then later on in WWH we hear the Sentry said this to Stark.
He says somedays the Agoraphobia is too much so instead of going outside to stop Hulk earlier he stays inside of his house. If you remember even when Reed was getting beaten up he didn't listen to Sue asking him to help.
It's only when if he doesn't intervene when Hulk does the thumbs down that Sentry has no other choice.
If you recall in Siege he asked Thor to kill him because he was unstable and the Void could come back. It was only Robert wanting to die that let Thor kill him.
We next see Sentry in the fight letting Hulk punch him, saying.
"Just once more" and he was bloodied. He didn't even want the fight as he said to Stark.
"If I lose control even for a millisecond..."
He knew something bad would happen. He was unstable and he knew if he lost control the Void would return and him unlike Sentry wouldn't have any misgivings about wiping out life on Earth.
Luckily Hulk in the end convinced Sentry to be a Saviour. That story doesn't weaken Hulk in any way. Hulk saved the whole Earth at that very moment.
Originally posted by iceman24567
LOL why does is it have to be shown by Sentry during the fight if we already know his mental state is shit 😆
Because his mental state was sh** his entire run so we would either have to exclude ALL of his showings or include all of his showing, or have on panel proof that he was mentally hindered during whatever showing. We don't just pick and choose which showing he was mentally jacked up. You should know this.
Originally posted by carver9
Because his mental state was sh** his entire run so we would either have to exclude ALL of his showings or include all of his showing, or have on panel proof that he was mentally hindered during whatever showing. We don't just pick and choose which showing he was mentally jacked up. You should know this.
So do you think there was a difference in Bobs mental state when he fought
Terrax or Genis
Compared to when he fought
WWH or Collective
Read the comics again featuring WWH and Collective and you will know.
Lindy said during the time before the Collective fight.
"He has good and bad days, this is a bad day".
Sentry said the same thing but worded differently in WWH.
That's how his powers work they fluctuate depending on his mental state. Just like gladiator, hulk, molecule man. His mind needs to be clear focused. He was the greater threat in wwh. He wanted hulk to stop him so he can be the hero, he wanted Thor to stop him during siege because he didn't want to be the villain. Since his initial appearance he's always been earths mightiest hero. But he can't control his powers until the twins resurrect him. I mean the guy made everyone including the world's smartest man, greatest telepath and most powerful magician forget he existed. His very aura calms the hulk. He beat molecule man at his own game ON THE FLY. And u don't think Pak jobbed him out? It's laughable and pathetic at the same time.
Originally posted by Sin I AM
That's how his powers work they fluctuate depending on his mental state. Just like gladiator, hulk, molecule man. His mind needs to be clear focused. He was the greater threat in wwh. He wanted hulk to stop him so he can be the hero, he wanted Thor to stop him during siege because he didn't want to be the villain. Since his initial appearance he's always been earths mightiest hero. But he can't control his powers until the twins resurrect him. I mean the guy made everyone including the world's smartest man, greatest telepath and most powerful magician forget he existed. His very aura calms the hulk. He beat molecule man at his own game ON THE FLY. And u don't think Pak jobbed him out? It's laughable and pathetic at the same time.
One thing you forget to mention is that the Hulk is an avatar of TOAA he can't lose no matter what 😉
Even if evidence goes against Hulk it is automatically wrong.
Originally posted by Sin I AM
That's how his powers work they fluctuate depending on his mental state. Just like gladiator, hulk, molecule man. His mind needs to be clear focused. He was the greater threat in wwh. He wanted hulk to stop him so he can be the hero, he wanted Thor to stop him during siege because he didn't want to be the villain. Since his initial appearance he's always been earths mightiest hero. But he can't control his powers until the twins resurrect him. I mean the guy made everyone including the world's smartest man, greatest telepath and most powerful magician forget he existed. His very aura calms the hulk. He beat molecule man at his own game ON THE FLY. And u don't think Pak jobbed him out? It's laughable and pathetic at the same time.
Again, show me Sentry wanting defeat. He threw punches all the way down to the end of the fight. Lol at jobbing against one of the most powerful Hulk's ever. That's like me saying Superman jobbed against Doomsday. Provide proof and stop making up excuses. Also, Sentry was beastly in WWH.
Originally posted by carver9
Again, show me Sentry wanting defeat. He threw punches all the way down to the end of the fight. Lol at jobbing against one of the most powerful Hulk's ever. That's like me saying Superman jobbed against Doomsday. Provide proof and stop making up excuses. Also, Sentry was beastly in WWH.
Did you read my post?
I explained it all there.
I see a cop out. People can believe what they want to believe but there was no evidence to suggest that the Sentry had issues once he began the fight with WW Hulk. He lost the fight period. People need to stop making excuses. Anything other than Sentry lost the fight is made up by people that can't accept it. Was he also having issues when Adam flash KO'd him?Or when Anti Man nearly broke his arm? I guess every time that the Sentry loses, we should make up a convenient excuse for him.
On panel evidence shows that Bob was well in his head at the moment that the fight began. They went to lengths to do a quick psyche job on him with the Tony pep talk. The battle begins; Enter Sentry. Notice the gleaming beaming smile that he has on his face. This shows a confident Sentry, and not one struggling with any sort of phobia issues. Bob lost the fight, accept it. The Hulk was holding back the entire time, which was later confirmed on panel, and not some made up consumer based view.
Strength wise WW Hulk shows that he was far stronger than War Hulk if we use Juggernaut as the measuring stick. Cain plowed War Hulk through a stretch of desert (or wherever they were). He was barely able to push WW Hulk 4 inches if that.
This is how I viewed the events.
And the Hulk was the one begging to be stopped.
Originally posted by Stoic
I see a cop out. People can believe what they want to believe but there was no evidence to suggest that the Sentry had issues once he began the fight with WW Hulk. He lost the fight period. People need to stop making excuses. Anything other than Sentry lost the fight is made up by people that can't accept it. Was he also having issues when Adam flash KO'd him?Or when Anti Man nearly broke his arm? I guess every time that the Sentry loses, we should make up a convenient excuse for him.On panel evidence shows that Bob was well in his head at the moment that the fight began. They went to lengths to do a quick psyche job on him with the Tony pep talk. The battle begins; Enter Sentry. Notice the gleaming beaming smile that he has on his face. This shows a confident Sentry, and not one struggling with any sort of phobia issues. Bob lost the fight, accept it. The Hulk was holding back the entire time, which was later confirmed on panel, and not some made up consumer based view.
Strength wise WW Hulk shows that he was far stronger than War Hulk if we use Juggernaut as the measuring stick. Cain plowed War Hulk through a stretch of desert (or wherever they were). He was barely able to push WW Hulk 4 inches if that.
This is how I viewed the events.
Doesn't necessarily mean you're right though.
Don't you see a difference between him fighting the Collective and Genis-Vell.
You use that argument of oh was he that unstable when he fought Blue Marvel. We don't know but why bring it up.
It's obvious Sentry is more stable when fighting Genis or Terrax than when he was fighting WWH or Collective.
The gleaming smile is there obviously, I am not gonna deny that. So you base your argument his smiling as being confident.
And I am basing my argument on actual things said on panel by Sentry himself. He lost control and seemed like he had no other choice so he carried on, luckily like I have to keep on repeating Hulk convinced him otherwise.
Originally posted by Stoic
I see a cop out. People can believe what they want to believe but there was no evidence to suggest that the Sentry had issues once he began the fight with WW Hulk. He lost the fight period. People need to stop making excuses. Anything other than Sentry lost the fight is made up by people that can't accept it. Was he also having issues when Adam flash KO'd him?Or when Anti Man nearly broke his arm? I guess every time that the Sentry loses, we should make up a convenient excuse for him.On panel evidence shows that Bob was well in his head at the moment that the fight began. They went to lengths to do a quick psyche job on him with the Tony pep talk. The battle begins; Enter Sentry. Notice the gleaming beaming smile that he has on his face. This shows a confident Sentry, and not one struggling with any sort of phobia issues. Bob lost the fight, accept it. The Hulk was holding back the entire time, which was later confirmed on panel, and not some made up consumer based view.
Strength wise WW Hulk shows that he was far stronger than War Hulk if we use Juggernaut as the measuring stick. Cain plowed War Hulk through a stretch of desert (or wherever they were). He was barely able to push WW Hulk 4 inches if that.
This is how I viewed the events.
And the Hulk was the one begging to be stopped.
👆
Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
Doesn't necessarily mean you're right though.Don't you see a difference between him fighting the Collective and Genis-Vell.
You use that argument of oh was he that unstable when he fought Blue Marvel. We don't know but why bring it up.
It's obvious Sentry is more stable when fighting Genis or Terrax than when he was fighting WWH or Collective.
God!!! His loses doesn't mean he was mentally messed up. He loss. Can the same be said for Hulk? Anytime he doesn't do well, that means that he was mentally jacked as well which took its toll on his power?
Originally posted by carver9
God!!! His loses doesn't mean he was mentally messed up. He loss. Can the same be said for Hulk? Anytime he doesn't do well, that means that he was mentally jacked as well which took its toll on his power?
No Hulk doesn't have Agoraphobia or Schizophrenia carver,
If you knew the Sentry his mental state greatly affects his power.
In WWH he was at a low therefore he was weaker.
If beforehand it is stated he is weakened then he isn't performing like the Genis fight, the Terrax fight etc. It's obvious to tell he was weakened.
If Hulk was stated as being weakened before a battle and he didn't perform as well you'd be the first to jump to his defence.
I imagine what you'd be saying if the story was World War Sentry.
Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
No Hulk doesn't have Agoraphobia or Schizophrenia carver,If you knew the Sentry his mental state greatly affects his power.
In WWH he was at a low therefore he was weaker.
If beforehand it is stated he is weakened then he isn't performing like the Genis fight, the Terrax fight etc. It's obvious to tell he was weakened.
If Hulk was stated as being weakened before a battle and he didn't perform as well you'd be the first to jump to his defence.
I imagine what you'd be saying if the story was World War Sentry.
I agree and Hulk was fighting at 1% of his power because he fought nothing like his Onslaught busting, Gladiator and Jack of Hearts killing, Galaxy Master ripping self. Good points.
Originally posted by carver9
I agree and Hulk was fighting at 1% of his power because he fought nothing like his Onslaught busting, Gladiator and Jack of Hearts killing, Galaxy Master ripping self. Good points.
Oh that's good you agree Sentry was weakened, thanks for that.
Don't think it was 1% actually. Shameful cop out there.
Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
No Hulk doesn't have Agoraphobia or Schizophrenia carver,If you knew the Sentry his mental state greatly affects his power.
In WWH he was at a low therefore he was weaker.
If beforehand it is stated he is weakened then he isn't performing like the Genis fight, the Terrax fight etc. It's obvious to tell he was weakened.
If Hulk was stated as being weakened before a battle and he didn't perform as well you'd be the first to jump to his defence.
I imagine what you'd be saying if the story was World War Sentry.
The Hulk may not have Schizophrenia brother, but He does have a multiple personality disorder. I don't know where the line begins in differentiating between the two. Suffice to say that he does have issues.
His performance could have been because he was up against an opponent that was also far above Terrax. He was taking steps that nearly sank the entire Eastern Seaboard. What exactly were you looking for? I'm guessing that you went into the comic store believing that the Sentry was going to maul the Hulk, but then when he didn't you began clinging to the idea that he was somehow weakened? He was fine, and they wrote him being just fine. if he was suffering from Agoraphobia he would have froze up the moment he left his house. Instead we see him flying in with a smile on his face, and fully confident. He even makes mention of the joy he felt at finally being able to release the amount of power that he was releasing on the Hulk. He was fine.
Originally posted by Stoic
The Hulk may not have Schizophrenia brother, but He does have a multiple personality disorder. I don't know where the line begins in differentiating between the two. Suffice to say that he does have issues.His performance could have been because he was up against a opponent that was also far above Terrax. He was taking steps that nearly sank the entire Easter Seaboard. What exactly were you looking for? I'm guessing that you went into the comic store believing that the Sentry was going to maul the Hulk, but then when he didn't you began clinging to the idea that he was somehow weakened? He was fine, and they wrote him being just fine. if he was suffering from Agoraphobia he would have froze up the moment he left his house. Instead we see him flying in with a smile on his face, and fully confident. He even makes mention of the joy he felt at finally being able to release the amount of power that he was releasing on the Hulk. He was fine.
Does his multiple personality disorder make him drastically weaker?
That was WBH not WWH so that's not the battle we are talking about.
No it's fine, I read the comic and was satisfied a weakened Sentry stalemated one of the most powerful Hulks seen. You are just upset because Sentry being weakened makes Hulk look worse off.
Again allow me to put you right.
He was standing in his house for 29 hours only when Hulk was about to kill the heroes did he intervene he had no choice.
The president tried to get him to attack but he wouldn't. He never wanted that fight. Hulk was his old friend. He had no choice in the end.
I can repeat these arguments as I know they're right.
All you can base your argument on is Sentry smiling.
As I missed your last part of your message I will make an edit here.
Yes he said that, he was losing control, which was when Hulk convinced him to be the Savior. There's your answer.