Originally posted by Bentley
I'd argue that if you're that much of a literalist you're actually incapable of believing in a pandimensional entity at all mmm
If it was written in the bible that way they would. But no, sense the word pandimensional is not in the King James Version of the bible, then they wouldn't.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
If it was written in the bible that way they would. But no, sense the word pandimensional is not in the King James Version of the bible, then they wouldn't.
So when the Bible portrays the same events in two different ways then they would believe both happened, right?
Then they would have no problem admitting the Bible is both the word of God and the word of Man.
Originally posted by Bentley
So when the Bible portrays the same events in two different ways then they would believe both happened, right?Then they would have no problem admitting the Bible is both the word of God and the word of Man.
The literalists I have known jump through many hoops to explain such things.
Originally posted by dyajeep
that's one of the reasons, i somehow agree on the underlined... although i'm more of using "asexual" to describe God... and God is not a "creature" since He is the Creator..."But those who are accounted worthy to attain to that age and to the resurrection from the dead [b]neither marry nor are given in marriage
,"
Luke 20:35"There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus."
Galatians 3:28God the Father is a "He", making Him a male but He gave birth to His Son (Hebrews 1:5), having female aspects... but then again, "giving birth" is not limited to females only because of the "seahorse logic"... and Jesus saying that the Father is a spirit (John 4:24), and a spirit doesn't have flesh and bones (Luke 24:39) makes God an androgynous or asexual entity... [/B]
Yes. And just as much of a fiction as all other Gods.
I have to laugh at those who think a God would create a son just to kill him.
Imagine you have two children. One of your children does something wrong – say it curses, or throws a temper tantrum, or something like that. In fact, say it does this on a regular basis, and you continually forgive your child, but it never seems to change.
Now suppose one day you’ve had enough, you need to do something different. You still wish to forgive your child, but nothing has worked. Do you go to your second child, your good child, and punish it to atone for the sins of the first?
In fact, if you ever saw a parent on the street punish one of their children for the actions of their other child, how would you react? Would you support their decision, or would you be offended? Because God punished Jesus -- his good child -- for the sins of his other children.
Interestingly, some historical royal families would beat their slaves when their own children did wrong – you should not, after all, ever beat a prince. The question is: what kind of lesson does that teach the child who actually did the harm? Does it teach them to be a better person, to stop doing harm, or does it teach them both that they won't themselves be punished, and also that punishing other people is normal? I know that's not a lesson I would want to teach my children, and I suspect it's not a lesson most Christians would want to teach theirs. So why does God?
For me, that’s at least one significant reason I find Jesus’ atonement of our sin to be morally repugnant – of course, that’s assuming Jesus ever existed; that original sin actually exists; that God actually exists; etc.
Regards
DL
Originally posted by Greatest I am
Only idol worshipers will give any attributes to their imaginary Gods.
Possibly?
Keep in mind that giving attributes is just how language works, this doesn't mean people actually believe a god that speaks has to have vocal chords. If we could escape from language limitations when talking about philosophy we certainly would.
Originally posted by Greatest I am
Christians are idol worshipers.
Depends on your definition, but I can see how that is true.
The problem would be if any kind of worship is idol worshiping, if that's the case, you're making a very redundant argument.
Originally posted by Greatest I am
I have to laugh at those who think a God would create a son just to kill him.
God didn't create His Son... They are together in the past eternity...
Originally posted by Greatest I am
Only idol worshipers will give any attributes to their imaginary Gods.Christians are idol worshipers.
Regards
DL
if you don't believe in any God, how can you categorize something as an idol? God and the idols are two opposite figures... idols are idols because they are false gods... they are false because there is a true one... and if you believe that God does not exist, then you cannot categorize the idols as false one...
in the Bible, the true God is not worshipped through graven images:
"God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth."
John 4:24
Originally posted by Greatest I am
Only idol worshipers will give any attributes to their imaginary Gods.Christians are idol worshipers.
Regards
DL
Since you don't believe in God or the Bible, then you cannot therefore believe in Satan, so everything you believe in such as Satan does not exist. 😆 😆
Dumbass
Originally posted by dyajeep
that's one of the reasons, i somehow agree on the underlined... although i'm more of using "asexual" to describe God... and God is not a "creature" since He is the Creator..."But those who are accounted worthy to attain to that age and to the resurrection from the dead [b]neither marry nor are given in marriage
,"
Luke 20:35"There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus."
Galatians 3:28God the Father is a "He", making Him a male but He gave birth to His Son (Hebrews 1:5), having female aspects... but then again, "giving birth" is not limited to females only because of the "seahorse logic"... and Jesus saying that the Father is a spirit (John 4:24), and a spirit doesn't have flesh and bones (Luke 24:39) makes God an androgynous or asexual entity... [/B]
You understand the Jewish God poorly if the information here is true and I think it is.
I enjoyed this whole link but the part I want you to see is at about the 10 min. mark.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-TndLzFZI9A
Regards
DL
Originally posted by Bentley
Does anyone actually believe limitations such as gender would apply to a pandimensional entity such as the one we call god?
As we create all of our Gods, all we can do is see what the ancients were thinking in terms of ideals and see if they are still the epitome of what a God should be.
It is all symbology and myth but most sages seem to think that our ideal mind set should be androgynous and that is why they showed their Gods as such. If we view God as just our leader then we would want our leadership to be cognisant of both the male and female view of any policy that God would make.
Regards
DL
Originally posted by Bentley
Possibly?Keep in mind that giving attributes is just how language works, this doesn't mean people actually believe a god that speaks has to have vocal chords. If we could escape from language limitations when talking about philosophy we certainly would.
Depends on your definition, but I can see how that is true.
The problem would be if any kind of worship is idol worshiping, if that's the case, you're making a very redundant argument.
Not to a Christian that does not recognize that he is idol worshiping and that his bible forbids such.
But I was not making an argument. I was stating a fact. Your statement was more like an argument or explanation for my fact.
Regards
DL
Originally posted by dyajeep
God didn't create His Son... They are together in the past eternity...if you don't believe in any God, how can you categorize something as an idol? God and the idols are two opposite figures... idols are idols because they are false gods... they are false because there is a true one... and if you believe that God does not exist, then you cannot categorize the idols as false one...
in the Bible, the true God is not worshipped through graven images:
"God is spirit, and [b]those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth
."
John 4:24 [/B]
Tell that lie to those who fly the cross.
As to my beliefs in a God, as a Gnostic Christian, of course I believe in a God. Just not the foolish way Christians do.
I have no need to swallow all the poor morals, miracles, fantasy and magic that Christians have to force feed themselves nor do I have to kowtow to a God who has stupidly condemned me for being exactly what he created like Christian fools have to.
Here is a quick rundown and who my God is.
Think Divine Council and you will see the little bit of wisdom in the bible that Rome missed when scrubbing the good parts out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oR02ciandvg&feature=BFa&list=PLCBF574D
The thinking shown below is the Gnostic Christian’s goal as taught by Jesus but know that any belief can be internalized to activate your higher mind.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alRNbesfXXw&feature=player_embedded
This method and mind set is how you become I am and brethren to Jesus, in the esoteric sense.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdSVl_HOo8Y
When you can name your God, I am, and mean yourself, you will begin to know the only God you will ever find. Becoming a God is to become more fully human and a brethren to Jesus.
Regards
DL
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Since you don't believe in God or the Bible, then you cannot therefore believe in Satan, so everything you believe in such as Satan does not exist. 😆 😆Dumbass
Since I never indicated such a belief, I don't know why you posted this.
Just to be ignorant seems like.
See ya. Woun't want to be ya.
Regards
DL
Originally posted by Greatest I am
You understand the Jewish God poorly if the information here is true and I think it is.
i'm not a Jew, and neither is my belief... i am a Christian, and i follow a Christian God...
Originally posted by Greatest I am
Tell that lie to those who fly the cross.
what lie? that God is a spirit? that the worshippers should worship Him in spirit and truth? what's the lie about that? or are you just upset that the Scriptures does not conform with your belief?
Originally posted by Greatest I am
As to my beliefs in a God, as a Gnostic Christian, of course I believe in a God. Just not the foolish way Christians do.I have no need to swallow all the poor morals, miracles, fantasy and magic that Christians have to force feed themselves nor do I have to kowtow to a God who has stupidly condemned me for being exactly what he created like Christian fools have to.
well, if you read the Bible, you don't need to swallow the "miracles" that you think is all fantasy...
"Therefore let us leave the elementary doctrine of Christ and go on to maturity, not laying again a foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God,
And of instruction about washings, the laying on of hands, the resurrection of the dead, and eternal judgment."
Hebrews 6:1-2
Christianity is not about "miracles", dude... it's about living your life according to the doctrines of Christ:
"Only let your manner of life be worthy of the gospel of Christ, so that whether I come and see you or am absent, I may hear of you that you stand firm in one spirit, with one mind striving side by side for the faith of the gospel,"
Philippians 1:27
Originally posted by Greatest I am
I agree. And where do you go to find the one you should worship?
ironically, if you read the context, you don't need to go to any particular place:
"Our fathers worshiped on this mountain; and you say that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship.
Jesus said to her, Woman, believe me, the hour is coming when neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem will you worship the Father."
John 4:20-21
true worshippers should worship God in spirit and truth... in a simpler way, the Bible says this:
"But worship the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:"
I Peter 3:15
Originally posted by Greatest I am
Not to a Christian that does not recognize that he is idol worshiping and that his bible forbids such.But I was not making an argument. I was stating a fact. Your statement was more like an argument or explanation for my fact.
Regards
DL
I was trying to understand your statement properly, it's part of my learning process.