War on ISIS

Originally posted by red g jacks
it seems like you're ignoring an important question, though. cause in dealing with military interventions you have a number of possible options and yea it can work or not work and you can regroup and try something else, etc.

what if america abstains from intervention and this does nothing to impede the growth of the islamic state? what is our plan then? if your stance is that it is their business and basically up to them if they want to have an insane theocratic dictatorship, then i guess doing nothing is the reasonable approach.

but if you want to maintain that our goal should be to try to prevent that from happening then i think you have to give a better argument for why you think a lack of american military intervention would actually lead to the end of isis.

Sure, let us forget that almost 9 years of "military intervention" (aka War For Profit) in Iraq is what directly lead to ISIS coming into existence.

How many more bombs until ISIS is no more; can you give me a rough estimate?

so basically you want to ignore my question, is that right? anything as long as you can sit there and cast righteous indignation, you don't have to worry about the solution to the problem..

you can say that bush caused isis with the invasion yet the ideology they are following existed prior to them. sure bush stirred shit up but really these extremists who lust for a caliphate existed prior to bush and prior to 9/11. sure, certain opportunities were exploited to the utmost degree but what is happening now in the middle east has roots that go back way further than 2003 and you might even try to use this as another piece of rhetoric to preach against western imperialism, but at the end of the day it doesn't really matter whose fault it is so much as it matters what is to be done about the current situation. this is honestly why so many people don't take liberals seriously. you can't live in 2004 forever.

So a lot?

lol it's like talking to some artificially intelligent program that is designed to spit back meaningless answers to you while sounding like a whiny hippy ****.

Originally posted by red g jacks
so basically you want to ignore my question, is that right? anything as long as you can sit there and cast righteous indignation, you don't have to worry about the solution to the problem..

you can say that bush caused isis with the invasion yet the ideology they are following existed prior to them. sure bush stirred shit up but really these extremists who lust for a caliphate existed prior to bush and prior to 9/11. sure, certain opportunities were exploited to the utmost degree but what is happening now in the middle east has roots that go back way further than 2003 and you might even try to use this as another piece of rhetoric to preach against western imperialism, but at the end of the day it doesn't really matter whose fault it is so much as it matters what is to be done about the current situation. this is honestly why so many people don't take liberals seriously. you can't live in 2004 forever.

If angry Muslims in the Middle East wanted to caliphate all over each other and butcher one another for the lulz, no one would give a shit- we certainly don't give a shit about the various African shenanigans that go on everyday. The problem is when those angry Muslims caliphate all over each other and butcher each other for the lulz and also try to bomb us. <-- That is entirely the consequence of us meddling in other countries' business. It's the difference between an Iraq situation and a Saudi Arabia situation, the latter of which are religious fanatics who calpihate all over each other and butcher one another for the lulz but are also nominally our friends.

alright, let's look at that.

first, the idea that we became the enemy through military action is not the entire story. sure that didn't do us many favors in their eyes but if you read up on the godfather of the islamist movement sayyid qutb, you will see that the west is their natural enemy just for the sheer fact that they regard our lifestyle as decadent and carnal. i'm pretty sure it was someone on this forum who told me to read the looming tower which i did, which changed my mind. i used to think more like you and robtard but the closer i've looked at these people the less convinced i've become that they are simply responding to imperialism and nothing else.

second, even if it was true that they are mad at us for good reasons, there is no reason to think they are going to relent in their hatred against us any time soon just cause we feel like being peaceful now. which still makes them a pragmatic problem for us.

also throw in the fact that we are talking about one of the most important regions in the world in terms of resources. it could be a huge mistake to leave these people at it.

ISIS will cause WW3.

Mark my words.

How?

Originally posted by red g jacks
lol it's like talking to some artificially intelligent program that is designed to spit back meaningless answers to you while sounding like a whiny hippy ****.

That was a question; not an answer, same as the previous questions. No reason to mad and personal

i'm not mad, but i have to fall back on making fun of you if you are going to make it this pointless to talk to you seriously.

us should clear all terrorist from the world to make this world peace

Man I wish I was like doctor manhattan when it comes to this stuff. Pop over to ISIS, erase them, move on.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
How?

They most likely have a huge network outside Iraq and Syria.

How do you think they were able to recruit Westerners into Iraq?
They definitely have connections outside, probably gathering intel right now, planning something big.

Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygon
They will start terrorizing other countries sooner or later.

Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygon
They most likely have a huge network outside Iraq and Syria.

Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygon
How do you think they were able to recruit Westerners into Iraq?

Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygon
They definitely have connections outside, probably gathering intel right now, planning something big.

Do you not know what a world war is? So far, none of these factors sound like anything more than aspects of a regional group's overly-ambitious aspirations to take over the world. ISIS is doomed. But they'll get us next time, Gadget?

Originally posted by Quincy
Man I wish I was like doctor manhattan when it comes to this stuff. Pop over to ISIS, erase them, move on.

We think alike.

Originally posted by red g jacks
i'm not mad, but i have to fall back on making fun of you if you are going to make it this pointless to talk to you seriously.

Rob is trolling you.

his last couple responses might be trolling, but i know he wasn't trolling in the initial post i responded to. i've seen him post that same opinion enough times to believe that he is being serious with it. and it's not an uncommon opinion so i wanted to respond to it either way.

The one day I was in Sydney. ****! Just hid in my Hotel Room watching the news all night. LETS KILL ISIS!

Originally posted by Dramatic Gecko
The one day I was in Sydney. ****! Just hid in my Hotel Room watching the news all night. LETS KILL ISIS!

Australia has an excellent night life.

Just watched the beheading of Chidma Hedima (Nigerian air ace).
It's from a Nigerian terrorist group called Boko Haram, an affiliate of ISIS.