War on ISIS

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
The constant downplaying of ISIS by the left and people who think they are no threat is what has allowed them to do whatever they want.

People here still drinking the koolade that they are just JV..

TI, of course they are a threat but only because of the reasons that FA mentioned and only to civilians. Not to any organized well equipped/trained military. They will never have the balls to engage any nation in open warfare because they know they don't have the firepower. I mean, seriously, who have they defeated yet that wasn't a joke?

I really think that their claim that they're coming for Rome to conquer it is just empty bravado because they surely can't be stupid enough to think they can actually defeat the Italian military. They might commit some acts of terror in Rome but actually conquer it? That's nonsense.

They can't conquer.
That much is obvious.

But they will wreak havoc once they manage to somehow bypass security measures.
They can easily target any random place in Italy with suicide bombers. Given their lack of morals, they will do this mark my words.

Do you have a single fact to back that up?

Originally posted by FinalAnswer
Do you have a single fact to back that up?

If you look at the history you'll notice that certain countries have never been conquered by external forces. The difference between governing through military means and waging guerilla wars is entirely different. ISIS cannot become an establishment of any kind, they are essentially a crime organization that moves drugs and weapons through several countries.

TI, at this point no one denies that they're dangerous to the Middle East, but your brand of fearmongering is counterproductive.

Originally posted by Star428
TI, of course they are a threat but only because of the reasons that FA mentioned and only to civilians. Not to any organized well equipped/trained military. They will never have the balls to engage any nation in open warfare because they know they don't have the firepower. I mean, seriously, who have they defeated yet that wasn't a joke?

I really think that their claim that they're coming for Rome to conquer it is just empty bravado because they surely can't be stupid enough to think they can actually defeat the Italian military. They might commit some acts of terror in Rome but actually conquer it? That's nonsense.

Originally posted by Star428
TI, of course they are a threat but only because of the reasons that FA mentioned and only to civilians. Not to any organized well equipped/trained military. They will never have the balls to engage any nation in open warfare because they know they don't have the firepower. I mean, seriously, who have they defeated yet that wasn't a joke?

I really think that their claim that they're coming for Rome to conquer it is just empty bravado because they surely can't be stupid enough to think they can actually defeat the Italian military. They might commit some acts of terror in Rome but actually conquer it? That's nonsense.

No they cant take anyone head on, but that will not we know thats not there end game. Its long term organized terror.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
TI, at this point no one denies that they're dangerous to the Middle East, but your brand of fearmongering is counterproductive.

Defeating the Italian military would only come after defeating the militaries of Turkey (another NATO member), Greece, Albania, and the former Yugoslavian nations.

Tell that to all the people getting there heads cut off daily.

TI,

You're confusing being able to take over parts of a severely broken country, employing guerilla and terror tactics with "nation conquering army".

Italy by and large is fine, their military is fine and in an actual war would smash ISIS to bits. Italy should take those threats seriously though since what happened recently in France could just as easily happen in Rome.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Tell that to all the people getting there heads cut off daily.

Yeah, that is outrageous. When are we going to invade Saudi Arabia to stop that sickening practice?

Originally posted by Bardock42
Yeah, that is outrageous. When are we going to invade Saudi Arabia to stop that sickening practice?

By "we", who do you mean?

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
By "we", who do you mean?

You and me, mate. You and me. We can do it, if we believe in ourselves!

I did my part for 7 years, you go help.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
I did my part for 7 years, you go help.

So your all gifs and no action. Gotcha.

I mean I guess the really sad thing is that all the actions of the US military in Iraq in the last 10+ years were all for naught, if not a net negative.

Perhaps inaction is the better way.

Originally posted by Bardock42
I mean I guess the really sad thing is that all the actions of the US military in Iraq in the last 10+ years were all for naught, if not a net negative.

The loss of thousands of innocent lives makes it a net negative.

"Let's depose Mao Zedong. It will save 500,000 Chinese lives. But we will have to kill 20,000 Chinese people to accomplish this."

Where's the line? How many lives did we save from deposing Saddam? Were the innocent lives we took worth it?

Can't say. But, as a "Christian Nation", 0 innocent lives taken by the US would be the only acceptable outcome.

Bardock spends his time drinking that satanic monster drink.

Originally posted by dadudemon
The loss of thousands of innocent lives makes it a net negative.

"Let's depose Mao Zedong. It will save 500,000 Chinese lives. But we will have to kill 20,000 Chinese people to accomplish this."

Where's the line? How many lives did we save from deposing Saddam? Were the innocent lives we took worth it?

Can't say. But, as a "Christian Nation", 0 innocent lives taken by the US would be the only acceptable outcome.

I feel like of all nations on Earth, China might be the only one that might be a good candidate for a successful nation building effort. Not that it would be possible...

Are you referring to China rebuilding Iraq/Iraqi infrastructure? Cos **** that, they're ****ing degenerates, just look at what they're doing in DR Congo and other parts of central and sub-Saharan Africa

No, I mean China, given its history of staying together as a nation despite huge upheavals and its strong national identity that isn't necessarily tied to any ideology (they've swapped out Confucianism, Maoism, and Free Market Socialism quite seamlessly), would probably recover and remain stable if you performed Iraq-style regime change on them.

Look at the Mongols. They basically had no serious problems running China because once it was decided that a Mongol was on the throne and that China was an integral component of the Mongol Empire (and thus to be treated with respect) they reached an understanding.