and I'm sick of hearing that crossovers don't count, all you Thor swallowers are using that crutch, why shouldn't they count? they were in a comic, therefore it happened and its not as f it was presented in some crazy elseworld either it was at the time continuity characters presented as meeting the other universe.
Originally posted by Star428
Regardless of how "difficult" Superman said beating Thor was he still won without using his speed at all. He one-shotted his ass from a sitting down position. LOL.
Reread the comic. It was far away from being a one shot. He did win though. Thor felt as if he could defeat him a second time. Why don't you think he was using his speed?
Originally posted by relentless1
and I'm sick of hearing that crossovers don't count, all you Thor swallowers are using that crutch, why shouldn't they count? they were in a comic, therefore it happened and its not as f it was presented in some crazy elseworld either it was at the time continuity characters presented as meeting the other universe.
And them's the rules 🙂
Originally posted by relentless1They don't "count" on KMC.
and I'm sick of hearing that crossovers don't count, all you Thor swallowers are using that crutch, why shouldn't they count? they were in a comic, therefore it happened and its not as f it was presented in some crazy elseworld either it was at the time continuity characters presented as meeting the other universe.
Originally posted by DigiSeems to me that wanting to rely on a cross-over is like needing a crutch.
Debating Format
[b]No Non-canon Sources
Non-canon sources are invalid for evidence. With rare exceptions, comics not in continuity such as Elseworlds, What Ifs, or alternate universes are not used for evidence in debates of a particular mainstream character.A canon source is one that is regarded as being 'in continuity'. In the example of Star Trek; instances from the series and movies can be used, but books are definitely out. Comic book crossovers are usually unusable as they ignore common sense most of the time (DC vs. Marvel is certainly unusable in some cases in our debates!).
This includes JLA/Avengers. Canon or not, people just aren't going to agree on it in most cases. Besides, there should be plenty of other comics with which to make your point.
Comics released strictly online or on web sites will not be considered proof in the Comic Book Versus Forum.
An obscure interview given by someone involved in a story arc is not proof to refute feats. Neither is a random post by a supposed writer on a message board, blogs, tweets, etc. There have been too many of these so called interviews which go against what's shown on panel. Especially when there is no dialogue to refute what's happening on panel. Most writers are clear with the intentions of the plot and story arc.
This principle extends to characters with multiple versions, alternate timelines, etc. Unless specified by the thread starter, only current-version canon feats are allowed. [/B]
Anyway, cross-overs are not used as proof here.
Originally posted by relentless1
Superman caught Mjolnir and one punched Thor, I can't believe its taken 9 pages to get to this very simple answer, Superman beats Thor easy on his worst day.
Not that it matters as crossovers don't count(as people have pointed out) but calling that a one-punch ignores all the other attacks that were landed during the fight.
If you're going to use non-canon examples, at least have the decency to be honest about what happens in them.
Originally posted by relentless1
and I'm sick of hearing that crossovers don't count, all you Thor swallowers are using that crutch, why shouldn't they count? they were in a comic, therefore it happened and its not as f it was presented in some crazy elseworld either it was at the time continuity characters presented as meeting the other universe.
Funny how Superman fanatics scream and shout about him beating Thor in the crossover but are simultaneously in complete denial about the difficulty it took Superman to do so by his own words. Something he mentions Twice no less.
But yeah, not useable here anyway, and like the rules wisely point out- There should be enough evidence from decades of comics to prove your case instead of clinging to Cross Company event comics. The fact that you need to cling to that crossover says a lot.
It would be like having a Venom vs Superman thread and people clinging to Venom kicking his butt in the crossover.
Originally posted by carver9
Reread the comic. It was far away from being a one shot. He did win though. Thor felt as if he could defeat him a second time. Why don't you think he was using his speed?
I don't need to reread it. I know it very well. Superman caught Thor's hammer with one hand then knocked his ass out with one punch from a sitting down position. You're the one that needs to reread it, dude. Also, you seriously think Thor would've EVER landed a blow on Superman if he was using his speed? You can't be that stupid can you? Any idiot can tell by looking closely at that fight that there were no indicators of Clark using any of his superspeed.
....and who gives a s*** if Thor felt that he'd win a second encounter? That doesn't mean jack****. I'm sure Superman thought he'd win any other encounter just as he did this one. How characters "feel" about any future matchups with a character who just kicked their ass doesn't prove anything, Thorbag.
Originally posted by Star428
Also, you seriously think Thor would've EVER landed a blow on Superman if he was using his speed?
Oh so what you think Superman was taking it easy on him, with a HV Blast and a KO Punch like that?
Don't be ridiculous. You want to go by that comic that's fine, but go by the whole thing then, not just picking and choosing what you like.
Superman won. Cool.
But Thor also had little problems in hitting Superman. Superman just barely won. And Thor didn't even unleash his most lethal powers on him.
Deal.
Or better yet ignore the whole thing like the rules ask us to.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Oh so what you think Superman was taking it easy on him, with a HV Blast and a KO Punch like that?Don't be ridiculous. You want to go by that comic that's fine, but go by the whole thing then, not just picking and choosing what you like.
Superman won. Cool.
But Thor also had little problems in hitting Superman. Superman just barely won. And Thor didn't even unleash his most lethal powers on him.
Deal.
Or better yet ignore the whole thing like the rules ask us to.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Oh so what you think Superman was taking it easy on him, with a HV Blast and a KO Punch like that?Don't be ridiculous. You want to go by that comic that's fine, but go by the whole thing then, not just picking and choosing what you like.
Superman won. Cool.
But Thor also had little problems in hitting Superman. Superman just barely won. And Thor didn't even unleash his most lethal powers on him.
Deal.
Or better yet ignore the whole thing like the rules ask us to.
Sour grapes, eh Thorbag? LOL.
Bottom line: Superman whipped the blonde sissy's ass.
DEAL.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Why would he have sour grapes, the comic showed that they were close enough that the fight could go either way? Superman just happened to win that time.
🙂
It was a decisive win and Busiek pretty much hit it on our head that even with mjolnir Thor had no chance of winning in a CQC fight. He made it clear in the deluxe hardcover version of JLA/Avengers that Superman was more powerful than Thor.
