Originally posted by WildBantha88
Same.Vitiate wank is strong but he isn't stronger than any one on team 2 so that leaves Sidious dealing with 2. Even DE sids dealing with any combination of them is in a tight spot
Originally posted by NewGuy01
With the Force? I'd argue that Vitiate is at least slightly stronger than anyone on Team 2.
Originally posted by ares834
Consideirng we've never seen anyone defend against force storm in such a way, I doubt it.
True, plus it was a light side technique that Luke and Leia used, which diminished Palp's connection to the dark side, causing him to lose control of his power. Neither on team two can surround Sidious with pure light side energy.
Also, do you think Caedus's last performance against Luke was a result of Luke's inconsistency or because Caedus is just that good? I mean, Caudus has some impressive feats, but out side of their fight, Luke's feats are quite solidly above Caedus's, not to mention Luke had manhandled him with the force prior (though some argue that was due to Caudus being caught by surprise).
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Also, do you think Caedus's last performance against Luke was a result of Luke's inconsistency or because Caedus is just that good? I mean, Caudus has some impressive feats, but out side of their fight, Luke's feats are quite solidly above Caedus's, not to mention Luke had manhandled him with the force prior (though some argue that was due to Caudus being caught by surprise).
Ares, NewGuy, Skillz? Anyone?
Originally posted by Emperordmb
I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say it's possible that once you reach a certain level of power with the light, getting pissed off unbalances you more than it helps you. This is just a theory though.
That could be the case, but that's not always the case. It depends on the circumstance really, and how well a light sider uses his focused rage. Windu is a master of using his rage, and Anakin, as a light sider, used it to easily kill Dooku. Kenobi, as a padawan, used his rage to momentarily boost his performance against Maul.
However, I'm not interested in your opinion, considering that you think Grievous using more than just two hands for his overall speed suggests that he is slower than Bane, and that it even matters in a vs debate.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
That could be the case, but that's not always the case. It depends on the circumstance really, and how well a light sider uses his focused rage. Windu is a master of using his rage, and Anakin, as a light sider, used it to easily kill Dooku. Kenobi, as a padawan, used his rage to momentarily boost his performance against Maul.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
However, I'm not interested in your opinion, considering that you think Grievous using more than just two hands for his overall speed suggests that he is slower than Bane, and that it even matters in a vs debate.
But thats completely true though, Sidious66. Grievous attacking 20 times a second should be unquestionably split between his 4 arms. And it definitely does matter since it means Grievous' striking speed is not 20 times a second, its 5 times a second with 4 weapons, allowing Obi-Wan to not be overwhelmed by his speed and instead handle his attacks through avoidance and efficiency, without even needing to match him in speed.
That whole Grievous speed thing was me attempting to address a logical fallacy of Carthage's. Carthage considers the rainstorm feat "pathetic" because of the speed of an individual raindrop. To him that's all that mattered. Not even taking into account the fact that there would've been around a thousand raindrops coming his way per second. All that mattered to Carthage was that an individual raindrop was slower than an individual blasterbolt. So, by that logic, Bane is superior to Grievous because Bane's individual blade is moving faster than any of Grievous's blades.
Yes, which is the entire point. There is a fundamental difference between one saber attacking 20 a second and four lightsabers attacking 20 times a second. That 1 lightsaber would have to move 4 times as fast as any one of those 4 sabers to equal the number of attacks per second. Which is why the 1 lightsaber is so much more deadly, because it is moving so much faster than those sabers and is so much harder to intercept.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
Well Windu specifically created and mastered a method of channeling his own inner darkness, and while Anakin was a powerful lightsider, I don't know I'd consider him that strongly light side aligned. Kenobi as a padawan used his rage to his advantage, but as a Councilor it unbalanced him.
And Windu notes that it requires powerful jedi with exceptional mastery to master it, which contradicts your notion that reaching a certain level of power in the light side would hinder ones performance when getting angry.
So basically you're suggesting that padawan Obi Wan could use his rage effectively, whereas master Kenobi couldn't? That makes sense. Wait no, actually it doesn't, considering that Filoni implied that he was somewhat angry after witnessing Unduli's death, which boosted his performance against the Maul bros.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
You asked for "anyone" to give their opinion, I gave my opinion. No need to be a dick about it.
You got me there. Now you know, though.
Don't complain about me being a dick when you make remarks about me being a fan of Sidious. You have no room to talk, considering how you have a history of over exaggerating Bane's feats and blowing them out of proportion.
Originally posted by Nephthys
But thats completely true though, Sidious66. Grievous attacking 20 times a second should be unquestionably split between his 4 arms. And it definitely does matter since it means Grievous' striking speed is not 20 times a second, its 5 times a second with 4 weapons, allowing Obi-Wan to not be overwhelmed by his speed and instead handle his attacks through avoidance and efficiency, without even needing to match him in speed.
It doesn't matter. Grievous has 4 arms, and using all 4 arms gives him the ability to strike over 20 times a second. It's like saying Boba Fett wouldn't be as dangerous without his gear set. In a vs match we consider it considering that's what he's equipped with. Grievous is equipped with 4 arms.
Actually striking 20 times with 4 arms from different angles, is what gave Obi Wan trouble. It wasn't solely on account of Grievous just striking 20 times a second. Grievous's 4 arms is an advantage for him.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
That whole Grievous speed thing was me attempting to address a logical fallacy of Carthage's. Carthage considers the rainstorm feat "pathetic" because of the speed of an individual raindrop. To him that's all that mattered. Not even taking into account the fact that there would've been around a thousand raindrops coming his way per second. All that mattered to Carthage was that an individual raindrop was slower than an individual blasterbolt. So, by that logic, Bane is superior to Grievous because Bane's individual blade is moving faster than any of Grievous's blades.
Cart doesn't think too highly of Bane. Get over it. For someone who considers him a troll, you value his opinion far too much.
True, plus it was a light side technique that Luke and Leia used, which diminished Palp's connection to the dark side,
Yeah, it's likely a power in the same category as the Wall of Light.
Also, do you think Caedus's last performance against Luke was a result of Luke's inconsistency or because Caedus is just that good?
Caedus is just that good. In addition, Luke is not the combatant that he's made out to be.
Luke's feats are quite solidly above Caedus's,
What feats are you referring to, specifically?
Luke had manhandled him with the force prior.
Generally I tend to advocate that it's far more difficult to break a telekinetic grip than to prevent/block it. Just look at the Maul/Sidious scenario.
You asked for "anyone" to give their opinion, I gave my opinion. No need to be a dick about it.
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For someone who considers him a troll, you value his opinion far too much.
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Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
It doesn't matter. Grievous has 4 arms, and using all 4 arms gives him the ability to strike over 20 times a second. It's like saying Boba Fett wouldn't be as dangerous without his gear set. In a vs match we consider it considering that's what he's equipped with. Grievous is equipped with 4 arms.Actually striking 20 times with 4 arms from different angles, is what gave Obi Wan trouble. It wasn't solely on account of Grievous just striking 20 times a second. Grievous's 4 arms is an advantage for him.
It does matter, because it decreases the speed of Grievous' individual strikes as I explained above. To strike 20 times per sec with a single saber you need to move significantly faster than 4 sabers striking just as many times. It's the difference between dodging 4 tennis balls going 25 mph and 1 tennis ball going 100 mph. Added together they make up the same speed, but the one is actually many times faster than the four. This isn't anything about gear, its about the perception of a feat and speed. Grievous doesn't have 20 strikes per second speed, he has 5 strikes per second speed and 4 arms. This does affect his performance in threads, because its much easier to defend against 4 attacks than 1 attack thats 4 times as fast as any of those attacks.
I'm not saying it's not an advantage. It is. All I'm saying is that peoples perceptions of Grievous' speed based on the 20 strikes per second feat are off. People are taking it as indicative of his speed without considering that that number was split between 4 arms. Despite what I said at the start though, GG isn't being diminished, its just that people were making him look more impressive than he actually is.
And Obi-Wan was able to defend against all of Grievous' sabers with just one of his, while only being as fast or slower than any one of GG's arms. Its hardly an insurmountable advantage.
Generally I tend to advocate that it's far more difficult to break a telekinetic grip than to prevent/block it. Just look at the Maul/Sidious scenario.
What happened next, Luke only felt: the invisible hand of the Force clamping down on his throat. His vision narrowed instantly. The blood to his brain had been choked off. Five seconds, he thought. Five seconds until he lost consciousness.
Maybe less.
He reached out in the Force, trying to find the Qreph who was attacking him—trying to find either Qreph—but he was too dizzy already. His hearing started to fade, his vision narrowed to nothing.
Three seconds. Maybe.
Luke launched himself into a Force leap, whirling his blade through a Jedi attack pattern, whipping his feet back and forth in blind snap kicks and targetless heel strikes. His hearing faded to silence, and he felt himself starting to drop … then the ground came up beneath his feet and his knees buckled.
Desperate to locate his attacker, Luke reached out in all directions and pulled, grabbing at every being he could sense. He felt a jolt of surprise from Leia and let her loose. He found the Qrephs just ahead, standing well apart, two beings full of fear and anger and hatred. He pulled harder and felt them slide toward him, their fear blazing into panic and their anger deepening to rage.
The Force grasp slipped free, and the blood came roaring back into Luke’s head.
His opponent definitely wasn't more powerful than him, yet, Luke couldn't just break the hold directly without using Force on opponent.