Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
20 strike per second is 20 strikes per second whether it's coming from 1 saber or 4.
True.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
The only difference is, as far as defense goes, it's harder to defend against 20 attacks that are literally coming at you from different angles than just one.
Not true. The other difference is that you'd need to move 1 saber four times as fast as you'd need to move 4 sabers to create 20 strikes a second. Another example:
One person uses 1 hand to push 20 buttons in 10 seconds. The other uses both hands to accomplish the same (assuming perfect ambidexterity). The end result is the same amount of buttons pushed BUT the first guy had to move twice as fast to accomplish the same result with half the number of hands. Get it?
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Having 4 different arms gives Grievous the advantage of attacking 20 strikes a second in more angles, however, the amount of strikes per second remains the same.
But the speed of each individual strike goes down by 75%. You're right that attacking from multiple angles is an advantage though. It's just not nearly as big of an advantage as moving 4 times as fast.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Your tennis ball analogy makes no sense. If all four balls are coming at you 25mph it doesn't make the traveling speed any different nor would it add up to 100mph considering the traveling speed between each ball would still be the same. That's why you don't see cops pulling over 4 cars and telling them that he added 25 times 4 and that means that they were going over the speed limit. Now I couldn't calculate the striking speed between each of Grievous's arms, but I do know that the speed and rapidity between each strike equals out to 20 strikes per second. That's all we need to know, and knowing that the strikes are coming from different angles, common sense dictates that I would be harder to defend against.
You're just being pedantic. There was nothing wrong with my comparison. 4 objects add up to being as fast as 1 object (strikes per second = mph) but that 1 object was still objectively moving faster than those 4 objects were.
I should specify btw that I don't even consider the 20 strikes a second thing canon so conceding here won't make Bane or whoever 4 times as fast as GG in my books. So no need to worry about that, I'm just explaining the reasoning.
This is weakling DOE Bane I believe, but yeah even as bad as Bane is he can probably hold off Vitiate.
I'm still not sure for this one, DE Palpatine can mindrape Plagueis or drain either of them. Can he even really die actually assuming he can just use essence transfer and go into Caedus or Plagueis and lolstomp the team.
Yeah, with DoE Bane Vitiate has a clear edge.
On the othe hand, I'm not sure that Palpatine will be able to use mindrape on Plagueis or Cadeus in the midst of a batlle. On the other, other hand, Luke was able to sucessfully fool Caedus so a superior telapath like Sids should be able to, I guess.
When it comes to essence transfer, I really dunno. Would be creepy though.
Well essence transfer can probably only be used in a break iirc, even Weakling Bane had to wait in a lull in combat to try and (fail) to use it against Zannah.
It might be different for Sidious who is immeasurably more powerful than failure Bane. Sidious is also more powerful than either of them in the force, this one is tough.
True, Sidious has them beat in force power and mastery and Force Storm just might be the game changer here.
On the other hand, it's hard for me to imagine that Caedus and Plagueis duo would be unable to beat him, especially as I place them as top Sith Lords #2 and #3.
One thing that's certain is that Bane dies 😛
Originally posted by Sinious *snip*[/B]
http://www.swtor.com/community/showpost.php?p=6603433&postcount=414
All of that Caedus did without a nexus and with minimal prep, almost everything Vitiate has done has been with prep and/or a nexus and/or a ritual.
Caedus needs to be recognized for being absolutely a power house in his own right, but as usual he gets over looked, just like Krayt.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
Pointing out LeGenD's failures as an argument against SWTOR peeps is a low blow. Not even the SWTOR supporters on here take him seriously.
I didn't mean it as an argument for or against SWTOR users whatsoever, I quit that forum too long ago, however they do have a pretty un-biased set of regulars that I lurk the debates of every now and then.
What I more meant was that even LeGenD(who seems to be the resident TOR expert) couldn't put Vitiate over Caedus in a genuine well rounded debate.
Call me lazy but I'm tired of arguing who is most powerful in 'x'.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
Pointing out LeGenD's failures as an argument against SWTOR peeps is a low blow. Not even the SWTOR supporters on here take him seriously. Because, unlike PT wankers, SWTOR wankers don't endorse and support the most ridiculous member of their flock.
They actually did support LeGenD most of the time until (relatively) recently. Something has changed. :no2:
Originally posted by NewGuy01
They actually did support LeGenD most of the time until (relatively) recently. Something has changed. :no2:
And that smiley doesn't work here.
Originally posted by AncientPower
Because I don't want to debate this a third time, i will just point out to the culmination of an argument between a SWTOR user and LeGenD, in which LeGenD lost:http://www.swtor.com/community/showpost.php?p=6603433&postcount=414
All of that Caedus did without a nexus and with minimal prep, almost everything Vitiate has done has been with prep and/or a nexus and/or a ritual.
Caedus needs to be recognized for being absolutely a power house in his own right, but as usual he gets over looked, just like Krayt.
Yeah right, Im not gonna spend my time reading that. If you have arguments present them and if not, Im fine with Vitiate remaining above Caedus.
In an all-out fight Vititiate would lose to fricken RotS Anakin.
But in a raw Force battle Nihilus is worth one hundred Yodas, and Vitiate is even more powerful. You could have like an army of Darth Plageuis-level Sith and in a raw force battle, no sabers, Vitiate would kill them all in .3 seconds.
In a saber+force battle team 2 decimates.